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undergroundoverground , (edited )

The point of capitalism is that the aristocracy hated the idea of having to work for their money, like the rest of us. So, they came up with a system so brilliant that the rest of the population had to be starved, dispossessed of their land, branded, imprisoned whipped and sent to workhouses until centuries of generational trauma knocked the fight out of them.

It was never about utopian efficiency, although it is touted to be the benefit now. The problem is, people don't realise that the "inefficiency" they look to do away with is all the people below the top having more than just enough to live on. We have nations of workers who have been convinced that they should run their countries as if they were shareholders of it.

And they call socialists utopians.

undergroundoverground , (edited )

If it was fascist at that time, would it have been less fascist when America had legal, designated concentration camps of black slaves?

I understand the instict to dismiss it and maybe "always" will be a step too far but i think a lot of Americans are in denial the extensive cross over between early 20th century USA and nazi Germany. I'm not even just talking about how hitler literally based the Jewish ghettos and anti Jewish laws on the black ghettos and Jim crow or Germany's Eastern expansion and extermination for land being modeled on Americas Western expansion:

The economics of fascism is croney capitalism, with mass privatisation of public assets, ultra low tax for the rich, pitiful wages and endless toil for everyone else, huge corporate subsidies, handouts to the rich and a merger of the corporate and the state. Some of the state might even be outsourced. Whatever way they set it up, the result was always that.

I'm not even saying that from a presumed position of my country being better. I'm from the UK and the East India company/royal west African company being a corporate state is about purest form of fascism you can get. Thats before you get to all the rest of it. Our biggest export is class subjugation.

undergroundoverground ,

Mid twenties teenagers with 30 year old parents.

undergroundoverground ,

As a British person, I had a few awkward conversations with other British people when I've asked them to explain the difference between a royal or a higher level aristocrat and an oligarch.

It seems to be something to do with the length of time society had to endure their bastardry. Well, it's either that or that they're not from the Oligar region of Russia. Its one of the two.

undergroundoverground ,

"Wage slave master"?

undergroundoverground ,

Would you still feel that way, about the very first part, if I was to remind you that some of the Russian oligarchs were crime bosses who took power and wealth by force?

Admittedly, it doesn't have the hereditary rule part but that, for me, would simple fall under "the difference is the passage of time." I see it much like the difference between a cult and a religion.

undergroundoverground ,

Yeah but, if it was remotely enjoyable, then you might make 2 or maybe even 3% less profit for the lazy, workshy scroungers who own the company.

We can't have that now can we?

undergroundoverground ,

I mean, for all you know that could be because they're not giving enough money away to anyone calling themselves an artist.

*So, giving that exact amount of money away to anyone calling themselves an artist doesn't work, for you personally.

undergroundoverground ,

I get the feeling, I really do. However, I can't think of many things that would radicalise someone more than losing all their money or being buried under a pile of debt. Being these sorts of types, they'll only go one way. On reflection, I'm sure you recognise the very specific and historically recognisable tinder box.

I mean, it still might not be immoral. They can all get fucked. Just, maybe not in that specific way is all im saying.

undergroundoverground ,

*ACAB, in their capacity as cops.

undergroundoverground ,

Not your fault of course but it was always a stupid name. It isn't arrested or inhibited, during a stage of development, resulting in an underdeveloped outcome (retarded). Like a fire retardant door stops the fire developing, as it would usually on doors. In the case of this drug, the release is inhibited, as its, presumably, a pro-drug.

They could have called it "long lasting", "pro-drug", "pro", "inhib" or "slow release" and these would have all been accurate descriptions. However, retarded isn't accurate. They chose it anyway though.

undergroundoverground ,

Rule # 1 of signing an NDA: you're not allowed to say that you signed an NDA.

undergroundoverground ,

I mean, who else other than your last employer would it be with?

undergroundoverground ,

Breaking it in any way means you will likely have to pay back any money they gave you immediately.

Personally, I would consider that to be a repercussion.

undergroundoverground ,

I mean, you can break any rule, law or agreement without facing repercussions, if you don't get caught.

undergroundoverground ,

There might be repercussions, if we get caught though.

undergroundoverground ,

Yahweh (who later became "god) is definitely a man, cock and all. He used to be depicted with horns or as a golden calf, with a huge, oversized novelty dong.

Theres a reason moses came back with extra commandments, the second time.

undergroundoverground ,

Don't forget the "I'm a millionaire and I was on my way to spend a billion dollars on my big business deal when I thought to take some time out from my 26 hour work days to tell you all that the reason other people can't afford a good retirement plan is because they ALL suck. If you don't beleive my claims of wealth and their suckyness, then its because you can't handle reality" comments from a statistically improbable number of people.

undergroundoverground ,

That would make sense for capitalism, if humanity didn't have to have its permanent, essential characteristics beaten, traumatised and groomed out of them with land seizures, branding, whipping, workhouses, schools, prisons, debtors prisons, being forced to sell their children, slavery and the threat of homelessness and starvation for hundreds of years.

People didn't just accept either of those two systems and there's nothing remotely inherent about them. They were both forced on people through violence or the threat of it.

undergroundoverground ,

So true and even the demand of the unjust man is an argument to moderation fallacy. Theres no reason to ever presume the middle to be the correct place, simply due to its middle-ness.

For example, if I said the sky was predominantly yellow and you corrected me saying "no, the sky is predominantly blue" would it be reasonable to conclude that the sky is predominantly green?

undergroundoverground ,

"Unless life is also giving you sugar, your lemonade is going to taste like shit."

undergroundoverground ,

If I broke into your house and claimed the top floor, would you be ok with the whole thing being enforced by the police, until "we figure out a (new and more favorable to me) long term solution"? I highly doubt it.

We already have a long term solution. Specifically a two state solution where Israel gives back the land it illegally stole. Its just that Israel has no intention of following international law.

undergroundoverground ,

In heaven, you're going to have all the fundamentalists, the ultra conservatives, the blood soaked warlords of the middle ages, the genocidal slavers from the renaissance, >90% of nazi Germany and just about every evil person who said "oops sorry god" before death.

In hell were going to have the layabouts, the nerdowells, the ravers, the LGBT+ community, the gamblers, the stoners, the revellers, the drinkers, the party animals, the sex workers and the promiscuous people.

Don't you worry about us. We're gonna have an AMAZING time.

Have fun at the never ending church where you'll worship yahweh non-stop for all eternity which definitely doesn't sound like hell. I wish you all the best with that.

undergroundoverground ,

No, you just really don't understand the concept of eternity and you haven't taken a critical eye to the abusive relationship that is "worship me or i torture you forever." Worshipping a clearly very vein and narcissistic God for all eternity is hell.

undergroundoverground ,

Of course, it's not about work ethic. They're aware as anyone else that long term unemployment de-radicalises people from being employment fundamentalists. It works in the exact way that a cult doesn't want the members of their cult associating with non-cult people.

I mean, what if they learn self respect or the value of life outside of work?

undergroundoverground , (edited )

How do you feel about thanks giving dinners and apple pie?

Edit: because they're both British.

undergroundoverground ,

True and thats because they were invented before refrigerators.

undergroundoverground ,

Its almost as if they just swapped out the chicken for turkey, having discovered and been using potatoes for years beforehand.

Nothing on the apple pie then? Just the one you thought you could refute, it would seem.

By your wild "logic" that would make every pork dish ever Chinese and Southern fried chicken Indian, as the pigs we eat today and chickens come from China and India respectfully.

undergroundoverground ,

Apple pie is from England, even if you don't want it to be. Its not even about it not being American but it having flavour and being nice to eat.

They swapped out chicken for turkey and used the exact same recipe and cooking style. Declaring it unconnected changes nothing.

Green beans is a substitute for the exact same green veg you get with a British roast meal. If I put peas into a stir fry, it doesn't make the meal not Chinese lol.

Again, how can you not see those mildy adapted British things as British?

undergroundoverground , (edited )

What a bitter child you are and its hilarious that you think those things bother me or that I don't agree that the British library should give all those things back.

To claim Britain has little to no culture and no national identity is just brain dead. No, your ignorance is not a substitute for a cogent argument and to hear it from an American of all people is just tragic. What little culture you have is what you stole from Europe, claiming it to be your own, or stolen from African Americans.

I engaged on with and corrected the nonsense you were spewing. Theres no need to throw your toys out the pram over it. I wouldn't need to talk about the food from here, if you weren't spewing dumb nonsense. Learn the lesson, child. I mean, memes are all good and the above is funny but theres always some immature bigots like you who have to take it too far and make stupid things up.

undergroundoverground ,

Tbf, most tax authorities haven't been completely captured by billionaires and they recognise what your just described as a disguised remuneration package.

undergroundoverground ,

For sure, never ever trust a wealthy person's origin story. Even trump and Musk claim to be self made.

Much better to go with the evidence of our eyes and ears.

undergroundoverground ,

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Other countries haven't had their tax authorities completely captured by billionaires.

Its funny, wage thieves are happy to charge a levy on other peoples labour, for using their things to make money, but as soon as a country comes along and says "yeah, so, about that whole charging people for using our things to making money thing...." they act like you just asked to fuck thier mum.

And they'll look you dead in eye and claim its a moral issue too, without a hint of shame.

undergroundoverground ,

Speaking of lacking nuance, claiming people "know nothing" isn't exactly the smartest thing you've ever said.

We have two things here:

A: I'm describing my great uncle

And

B: so I have no reason to lie.

How does one relate to the other? Is it unusual for people to lie about great uncles where you're from? Does this rule apply to, say, regular uncles? How about a great aunt? Does it apply to them too?

More seriously, the factual real world examples that can be proven and aren't just "trust me bro" all point to never being able to trust a wealthy persons origin story, even if it is someone's great uncle. However, that doesn't mean its literally untrue in every instance or yours.

The point is, even if 100% true in every capacity, it's so ultra rare and against such a rigged game that it might as well not be true. That is, if we plan on appreciating the true nuance of the situation.

undergroundoverground ,

What a childish and hilariously ironic reply. I'm the person who said you can't trust a wealthy persons origin story. I said it because its true.

You challenged nothing. All you didn't was tell a baseless story that anyone could have made up. You give yourself too much credit if you think you either challenged anything anyone said or made me mad by it. It's pretty pathetic to have to pretend you've upset people.

Even if it was true, its like me saying "don't jump out of a 10 storey building, you'll probably die." and you replying "yeah, well, my great uncle jumped out of a 10 storey building and he didn't die." Like, cool story bro but you still shouldn't jump out of one and, also, no one cares about your tales.

How about second cousins, would you lie about them?

undergroundoverground ,

Yeah, I wouldn't have had a good come back for what i said either.

undergroundoverground ,

I wouldn't say all were and, seeing your comments further down, loved your work. Beholdthemasterrace was hilarious. I'm sure it went down for legitimate reasons and not just because "all traffic is meaningful" and the money they generate from nazis spends just as well as everyone else's, so they don't want to upset them......

There are groups of mods who choose to promote themselves above the respectable digital janitor we all know to be necessary to more of a narrative and public opinion curator. Especially on the more news based subs. I don't think they even try to hide it these days.

undergroundoverground ,

There isn't really. Most people are unaware that most crash transactions and withdrawals anywhere close to those amounts will almost always have to be reported to the government of whatever country you're in. But, you know, EU bad....

There's no wholesome reason to need 10k in cash. Even the examples here of paying for an abortion is a problem with reproductive freedom and not cash. You're not suddenly going to get away with it because you "sneakily" withdrew 10s of 000s in cash, right before you travelled to a state where abortion was legal. Political donations can be made in small, repeated sums. Specifically, as they dont sell large value items.

Unless you're a hired assassin, a paedophile network, a corrupt politican or a drug cartel it's not going to effect your business.

In reality, most of the nay sayers are people who take cash payments for the work they do to avoid paying the taxes the rest of us have to pay, for the things we all use.

undergroundoverground ,

What a sophilistic reply. No, car insurance is a thing. The purchase will no longer be anonymous, after you purchase car insurance for the car you just bought.

"You know, for all those totally, 100% legitimate and completely anonymous car purchases people make, that definitely won't be used by organised crime: honest."

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