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loudWaterEnjoyer ,
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While I don't want to support reddit or turbo capitalism, I think a viewpoint that is often missed here is the fact, that a fair share of those subreddits are created and moderated by people that create and hold together communities, especially in the beginning of the sub. There are also a lot of cases were the platform is used to cross link to other platforms and gain profits there.

anarchyrabbit ,

You gotta be dumb as fuck to work for free at a profit company

the_seven_sins ,
@the_seven_sins@feddit.de avatar

The mods are working 'for their community'. It's just that that's happening on a profit companys platform.

cumskin_genocide ,

I mean i would do tht same thing if I were in his position. The mods are dumb as shit to do a job for free and the site has been astroturfed for over a decade. Just embrace the bullshit and get paid and laid and sail off into the sunset. Alternatively he's probably going to suck it dry and then sail off.

sturmblast ,

That douche can go fuck himself

gravitas_deficiency ,

Spez is such a fuckin tool

recapitated ,

Nobody's making them be mods. I'm not pro reddit at all, but a tool is a tool, do what you want with it.

ohlaph ,

Yeah, any company will take free work.

Linkerbaan , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Someone tell those Reddit mods they could earn double on Lemmy.

spyd3r ,
@spyd3r@sh.itjust.works avatar

Double of nothing is, let me do the math here, nothing into nothing, carry the nothin'...

obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah. You'd have to be an idiot to work for that guy for free at this point, unfortunately.

If only there were an alternative platform to Reddit that we could use instead.

NineMileTower ,

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  • Ragnarok314159 ,

    It took a really long time for Reddit to reach a point to where it was decent and attracting new communities. I am hoping all the niche little places move over to Lemmy, or at least off Reddit.

    If there is a niche community you miss, you could start it over here. I have no idea how to go about doing it, but it might be worth it for you. Start making this the better place.

    Manmoth ,

    The problem is defederation. It basically breaks the entire concept of the "fediverse" and will prevent critical mass. Each instance becomes a little fiefdom. There should instead be the ablility to create and share extremely configurable filters (ala ad block lists). People can say and do whatever whilst simultaneously choosing what they do and don't want to see at the individual level. The benefit is everyone sees what they want while also not losing access to any communities simply due to an egotripping instance provider. Kind of like an urbit model that isn't so esoteric and weird.

    Geth ,

    This and the duplication of communities and also the fact that my account is not just a generic, across the verse account, but specific to an instance that can shut down or disaaper and remove all my preferences and post history.

    These things were what was confusing when I joined and what I still think are the biggest issues with this platform. The fact that I hypothetically look up reddit alternative, find Lemmy, join the first one that shows up in the results without knowing any better, look up communities and there's like 5 of the same ones or none because it's defederated from others, the instance blocks NSFW communities because they are prudes, is blocked by others for various reasons, and then they could shutdown a week later removing my account is just insane user experience tbh.

    Ragnarok314159 ,

    I was wondering why there was no NSFW communities.

    So none of the places on the Lemmy I have joined are part of the larger Lemmiverse? Or only some of it is?

    Geth ,

    You can check blocked stuff here https://sopuli.xyz/instances. Your instance is not blocking NSFW so most probably you need to check your account settings. There is a "show NSFW" checkmark in there.

    Ragnarok314159 ,

    I didn’t know this, thank you for explaining.

    Conyak ,

    I was early to Reddit. I think my account was created around 2007. I can assure you that it was similar to Lemmy now. Building a community takes time.

    lemmyingly ,

    The comic book strips on Lemmy seem to be depressing.

    NotJustForMe ,

    Possibly because many users coming to Lemmy are pissed off by something. It's not a platform for fun users, but for grumpy old cats wanting their unachievable utopian discussion forum, where all behave the same as they do. ;)

    Criticise lemmy and prepare for downvotes deluxe.

    PlantDadManGuy ,

    Perhaps instead of pissing and moaning you could actually post something in a community here to start the process of growing new forums.

    NotJustForMe ,

    It is not really an alternative. So many people here complaining about quality, and the constant desire for this not to become the new Reddit.

    But that's exactly what it needs to become. A place where mindless users can post the same silly crap every day, without getting shit for it. And without being rattled by entitled mods that feel they should be compensated for doing what they want to do.

    Let communities talk and mods just be mods, not critics.

    DingoBilly ,

    Why does he need to?

    He's made thousands of people work for him for free and contribute data for him to sell for free. By most business definitions he's a legend that all other ceos wish they could copy.

    TheKMAP ,

    Exactly. Reddit mods and Wikipedia admins both get to be kings of their little fiefdoms. The power/pride/whatever is payment enough, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it. They are intrinsically motivated.

    Being a mod for something you are passionate about is intoxicating. It is an awesome feeling to know you've contributed to the growth of something you care about.

    scarabic ,

    The CEO of the company I work at proudly tells us that his compensation is mostly stock, so if we’re not doing well as a company, he will not get paid.

    He thinks this will sound like he’s got skin in the game and is making some kind of sacrifice.

    What it actually tells me is that he is aligned to shareholders, not customers or staff. And that he cares about the stock price, which is not at all the same things as whether we are doing well as a company.

    wrekone ,

    I wish I had understood this years ago. I probably would have found a better place to work.

    TheKMAP ,

    Ehhhhh

    Stock price is absolutely tied to the perceived performance and anticipated future performance of the company.

    The problem is that most departments of a company are profit centers and therefore there is a huge incentive to squeeze the most return (product features, sales, etc) from that investment (your salary). They will abuse you just hard enough so you don't quit. Or they will abuse you endlessly because the churn is factored into it.

    The company doing well is only loosely tied to morale. Yes happier employees probably perform better but it's not the best return on the investment.

    scarabic ,

    You’re right that stock price is something.

    Companies serve three groups:

    1. customers
    2. staff
    3. shareholders

    Stock price measures #3. And one out of three is a pretty shitty overall score.

    Before someone tells me that shareholders are everything, and that this is capitalism, I understand your point but if any of 1, 2, or 3 stop participating, the company stops functioning. All three must be served. You just waved aside staff as a bag of feelings, but they literally do everything at the company.

    TheKMAP ,

    Companies don't serve staff. Staff is a necessary evil to them.

    scarabic ,

    Yeah yeah. You’re saying that corporate leaders don’t care about people, and we all know that. But the company has to offer staff something to come in and work, right? They get paid right? I’m not saying everyone needs to get desk massages and blow jobs. But there has to be something in it for the staff or there is no company. It sucks to work somewhere that the staff get bare minimum. But the best companies in the world offer a lot more than that, because talent is worth it.

    BonesOfTheMoon ,

    I modded r/beholdthemasterrace, which was specifically for making fun of literal Nazi inbreds.

    casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

    Oh, gotcha, so you were legit dealing with degen Nazi wannabes. Apologies for doubting you, I shouldn't have made assumptions.

    More power to ya, cheers

    BonesOfTheMoon ,

    Very notorious Nazis threatened me several times..they hate their picture on Reddit lol.

    ilinamorato ,

    But why would they hate that? If they're so confident in their worldview, why aren't they glad for the publicity? /s

    Honestly, Nazis and Confederates are tied for "thinnest-skinned" at this point. And at all the other points too, but especially at this point.

    casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

    When you say "their picture", you mean to say they just don't like how they are represented on the platform, right? Or do you mean an actual picture of their face? If the latter is the case, then it sounds objectively like y'all were the ones that set the precedent for doxxing. And you should have known they'd be stupid enough to stoop to any challenger's given level and then some. Just saying.

    finnie ,

    How much does he make? I don't want to open the article

    ilinamorato ,

    $193m according to the blurb.

    BonesOfTheMoon ,

    How are mods landed gentry? I spent my time as a Reddit mod with Nazis trying to dox me and threaten me, before Reddit banned me for making fun of Nazis.

    captainlezbian ,

    Because we made demands? Idk I spent my time being called slurs and having people try to assure me that I was the one that was an unlovable freak. Or trying to tell me I was going to hell. Or calling for my public execution. Shit like that

    BonesOfTheMoon ,

    Ah yes or bring called basement dwelling edgelords.

    captainlezbian ,

    Yeah that was weird because as a mod of only queer focused communities I got that one mostly as part of the freak category.

    I still laugh at the person in modmail saying they were rich and just trolling us while out with friends and their hot partner as though that wouldn’t actually be even sadder if it was true

    casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer ,

    Could you elaborate? There is more than one mod (previously) on Reddit who is infamous for assigning nasty labels like that to all their dissenters indiscriminately. So thanks to their actions, your use of the distinction of a vocal group as Nazis is uselessly ambiguous. What sub of degens?

    Ragnarok314159 ,

    It always amazed me how the literal Nazi accounts could tell me to off myself, that they would kill my family, and other such things, and they somehow don’t violate the TOS.

    But me trying to delete my posts is an automatic prime directive rule breaker and my account gets banned.

    BonesOfTheMoon ,

    Holy fuck that happened? That's ridiculous. I'm sorry big shoots.

    undergroundoverground ,

    I wouldn't say all were and, seeing your comments further down, loved your work. Beholdthemasterrace was hilarious. I'm sure it went down for legitimate reasons and not just because "all traffic is meaningful" and the money they generate from nazis spends just as well as everyone else's, so they don't want to upset them......

    There are groups of mods who choose to promote themselves above the respectable digital janitor we all know to be necessary to more of a narrative and public opinion curator. Especially on the more news based subs. I don't think they even try to hide it these days.

    BonesOfTheMoon ,

    Re Behold, the subreddit owner Sedorner decided to leave it dark in protest permanently. It's sad. It was so good to mock those pieces of shit out loud. Nazis don't deserve any protection, but Reddit thinks otherwise.

    poo ,
    @poo@lemmy.world avatar

    FYI Spez is a pedophile piss-boy.

    capital , (edited )

    What's the origin of the pedo accusation?

    Edit: Is pedophile on the list of words we're gonna make meaningless now?

    1995ToyotaCorolla , (edited )
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  • capital ,

    Ohh I remember that. I also seem to remember you used to be able to make other people mods without confirmation back then? Maybe I'm misremembering.

    SuperSaiyanSwag ,

    This is correct. We should hate spez for being a skeevy ashole, but let’s not make up random accusations.

    retrieval4558 ,

    The right is already working hard on that

    capital ,

    I vote not helping in the effort.

    FontMasterFlex ,

    Pedophile, Racist, Nazi, Fascist, The list grows daily

    Quill7513 ,
    @Quill7513@slrpnk.net avatar

    He was the moderator of a sub called "jailbait" for a long time. What's less clear is if that was something he did on purpose or if someone else assigned him as a mod as a prank assuming he wouldn't notice

    irreticent ,
    @irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

    When someone invites you to become a moderator you have to click a couple times to accept. It was no accident.

    zalgo ,

    Not exactly. In the olden days of reddit no confirmation on your part was necessary.

    irreticent ,
    @irreticent@lemmy.world avatar

    Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks!

    Quill7513 ,
    @Quill7513@slrpnk.net avatar

    That wasn't how it worked at first. Back when I first joined Reddit you could be made moderator of a sub by another user without confirmation

    harmsy ,
    @harmsy@lemmy.world avatar

    I always wondered why a subreddit like that was allowed to exist in the first place. I guess I have my answer now.

    nutt_goblin ,

    As I remember it, reddit got its start when "internet culture" was pretty heavily downstream of 4chan/somethingawful/ytmnd. And pedo-type behaviour was pretty normalized in those spaces.

    fossilesque ,
    @fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

    He could have removed himself.

    stackPeek ,
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  • AMDIsOurLord ,

    He modded some questionable subs in the wilder early days

    Devccoon ,
    @Devccoon@lemmy.world avatar

    Can we clarify what "not much different" means? I'm not mad at this guy for calling people names...

    Kalysta ,

    Since he took back over, Spez has been making reddit an objectively worse experience. Doesn’t deserve that pay.

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