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Imgonnatrythis , to Technology in China’s military shows off rifle-toting robot dogs

How long until someone eats it?

drdiddlybadger , to Technology in China’s military shows off rifle-toting robot dogs
@drdiddlybadger@pawb.social avatar

Man I would love to see what security measures they put in place for these things. That better be amazing security or else it's going to be some real bad news bears.

MaggiWuerze ,

It's 100% sure to shoot your ass, if that's what you meant

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db2 , to Technology in China’s military shows off rifle-toting robot dogs

Can it also roll over a student in Tienanmen Square?

autotldr Bot , to Technology in China’s military shows off rifle-toting robot dogs

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The two-minute video made during the China-Cambodia “Golden Dragon 2024” exercise also shows the robot dog walking, hopping, lying down and moving backwards under the control of a remote operator.

In 2020, the US Air Force demonstrated how it used robotic dogs as one link in its Advanced Battle Management System (ABMS), which uses artificial intelligence and rapid data analytics to detect and counter threats to US military assets.

And since the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2022, drones have become commonplace on the battlefield, on the land, sea and air, with cheap remotely controlled vehicles able to knock out sophisticated military machines like tanks and even warships.

The lethal abilities of drones seen on the Ukraine battlefields has shown them to be great equalizers, enabling military forces with small defense budgets to compete with substantially better armed and funded enemies.

According to the state-run Global Times, the presence of the robotic dogs at exercises with foreign militaries indicates an advanced stage of development.

“Usually, a new equipment will not be brought into a joint exercise with another country, so the robot dogs must have reached a certain level of technical maturity,” Global Times quoted an unnamed expert as saying.


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mansfield , to Technology in Cyberattack forces major US health care network to divert ambulances from hospitals

If a hospital can't operate because some asshole was able to remotely hack it bad enough to basically shut it down, we might need to rethink how things are run.

Johanno ,

Happened in Germany recently. They could continue to operate since everything is still backed up in paper, but everything went slower and new emergency patients couldn't be accepted.

It is shocking that the digital level of the hospitals is still in the 70s.

Fallenwout ,

It is about funding. The corners IT has to cut is because lack of money.

Also the amount of legacy operating system to keep hardware like scanners running is a lot. Medical devices are delivered with a workstation that never updates. It is hard to justify buying a new mri of 1.5 million when the accompanied workstation is outdated.

Sure you can vlan and firewall the hell out of it. But they still have a large attack surface.

OminousOrange ,
@OminousOrange@lemmy.ca avatar

And also that many contracts to improve on IT are performed by the lowest bidder.

Johanno ,

The whole health care sector is capitalism and it should be government lead.

Fallenwout ,

They can operate, just slower. Life threatening gets priority, the rest are diverted to nearby hospitals.

Think of when your gps shuts down. You can navigate by paper map, just slower and you need to pay more attention to avoid mistakes.

GladiusB ,
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This also doesn't just happen and is apparent. They probably spent way too much time trying to fix the problem before diverting to older ways while the problem is being diagnosed and fixed.

EncryptKeeper ,

Some hospital networks just continue to operate slower to the detriment of their patients and just lie to everyone so that nobody finds out they were hacked.

jqubed , to Technology in Cyberattack forces major US health care network to divert ambulances from hospitals
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

This keeps happening and has been happening for several years now; why isn’t more being done to improve security and find the criminals? I can’t walk into a hospital with so much as a pocket knife because of physical security concerns, but cybercriminals keep taking down a new system seemingly every week, and this article says the software used has been seen for years now.

catloaf ,

The FBI et al. do try to find the guys. Arrests happen relatively frequently.

But security improvements don't happen because they cost money, and nobody is making them do it, though this is slowly changing.

BearOfaTime ,

When permitting security failures costs more than preventing, then companies will do something.

jqubed ,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

Can I sue a company for inadequate data protections if my data is breached? I assume I would have to prove damages, and maybe that becomes harder if I can’t tie the victimization to a specific breach. And probably the terms of service make it harder, like I might have to use arbitration and can’t join a class action suit.

ringwraithfish ,

The healthcare industry has as much incentive as the financial industry to maintain a high security environment. Fines for exposing PHI can be astronomical if a large number of records are compromised.

This is a new cold war that we've been in for a while now. Government backed hacker groups from foreign nations are constantly targeting high profile organizations. Healthcare, Finance, and Government are three of the top targets.

Zorque ,

Fixing the issue doesn't line the pockets of investors. People aren't going to stop going to the hospital, so why fix it?

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

Fixing the issue doesn’t line the pockets of investors.

Yeah it does. Cyber Security companies are making tons of money selling things like EDR, High End Firewalls, DNS Filtering, MFA, and so on. Healthcare Institutions are buying the stuff but none of it is enough.

It's the age old race of Arms vs Armorer.

General_Shenanigans ,

I work in I.T. for a healthcare company. Ascension is a pretty large one. The bigger a company gets and the faster it grows, the more it takes on a diversity of varying technologies that all need to be managed, migrated, killed off, merged, hardened, etc. It’s a difficult job especially for healthcare. I know that the company I work for is working very hard to keep up with things, but it’s a logistical nightmare. You MUST have very smart people in charge that have the right priorities. You have to have information channels open to make sure administration knows what the potential issues are. Compartmentalization of information and access. There are so many potential points of failure it’s insane. And then there’s the most important thing of all: making sure all employees are educated enough that they don’t let their credentials get compromised.

Things are getting worse in general because of how hard it is to stay on top of everything nowadays. I just recently got a couple of letters in the mail about my info being leaked by some companies that had my info. I just have to do my part to stay on top of my own responsibilities, watch my own identity and finances, and make sure those around me are being secure, as well. Everybody needs to know how important this is, and many do, but I don’t think enough people really understand or make it a priority.

HHS is instituting new rules for healthcare (and other industries) to help track and respond to these things. The government is getting very involved with this now. I hope it helps.

Buelldozer ,
@Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

why isn’t more being done to improve security and find the criminals?

It is but Law Enforcement and Healthcare I.T. can't keep up with the growing number of threats and threat actors. From the perspective of someone in Healthcare I.T. I've watched lots of money, time, and effort get spent on securing systems but it's never quite enough and it never happens fast enough.

MFA all the things, HIPS on everything, EDR on everything, Zero Trust everything, regular patching of all systems, High End Firewalls, encrypt all the things, bi-annual security reviews, DNS Filtering, regular network sweeps for unknown or unmanaged equipment...and you can still end up getting whacked by a 0 Day exploit in a commercial helpdesk tool. (This is what got Change / Optum).

The criminals typically belong to overseas hacking groups, many of which are in places that Western Law Enforcement can't reach like Russia, Belarus, China, and North Korea.

It's a nearly impossible challenge and it's never going to end as long as these systems have any path to the public internet.

solidgrue ,

I'm in IT in a healthcare-adjacent sector. Never underestimate the motivation or tenacity of foreign state actors, organized crime and chaotic neutral hacking collectives. You have limited time and budget, and both financial and risk based approval processes to deal with. They have time, ideology¹, and financial incentives.

You can't win in the face of that.


¹ sometimes it's hacking for hackings sake, but more typically it's to disrupt critical services and extort modest capital to go away. Rinse, repeat, make that bank on volume.

autotldr Bot , to Technology in Cyberattack forces major US health care network to divert ambulances from hospitals

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Downtime procedures are typically when health providers revert to backup processes, including paper records, that allow them to care for patients when computers are down.

Four sources briefed on the investigation told CNN that Ascension suffered a ransomware attack, in which cybercriminals typically try to lock computers and steal data for extortion.

Those sources said that the type of ransomware used in the hack is known as Black Basta, which hackers have used repeatedly to attack health care organizations in recent years.

Senior US officials have been in repeated contact with Ascension CEO Joseph Impicciche since the ransomware attack to understand how the hack might impact patient care, two sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

“We are actively supporting our ministries as they continue to provide safe, patient care with established downtime protocols and procedures, in which our workforce is well trained,” Ascension said in its statement Thursday evening.

It’s only the latest major hacking incident that has hobbled a big US health care network and sent US officials scrambling to offer support.


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Mastengwe , to Technology in TikTok sues to block prospective US app ban

So… the company that was removed for spreading propaganda is suing for being removed for spreading propaganda and is using…. checks notes: propaganda as evidence.

This should be fun!

Mango , to Technology in TikTok sues to block prospective US app ban

Ok then, let's sue for the Chinese ban of literally most of the Internet. Where can I find the court that gives a shit about countries who don't wanna participate in other countries Internet toys and what the fuck are they gonna do about it?

mightyfoolish , to Technology in TikTok sues to block prospective US app ban

Wasn't Facebook proven to give misleading information that led old people to vote for Trump that was ultimately from Russia propaganda sources? Where's the Meta ban?

Sanctus , to Technology in TikTok sues to block prospective US app ban
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Wouldn't actual data privacy laws stop this all the same? I can't help but feel this weird song and dance avoiding the privacy argument exists so US companies don't get in the crossfire for doing the same shit with your data.

huginn ,

No way in hell they'd ever argue data privacy.

That's only for apple to pretend to care about while selling your data to brokers.

Nurgle ,

Sorry Apple is selling user data to data brokers now?

prashanthvsdvn ,

Yeah. They do have their own data collection practices and privacy policies. IIRC, meta was crying over Apple implementing permission data for apps since it would allow people to back off from meta but Apple would be sole winner from that move.

Nurgle ,

Yeah I was curious about Apple selling data to brokers, which I think would be new news. For Meta yeah that was the ios14 update, which really messed with their bottom line apparently lol

huginn ,

I think I was mistaken on that point. They're not publicly doing that - just selling ads.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

America already controls the TikTok servers. It all needs to be hosted on Oracle, and Oracle can see the source code.

The ban makes no sense seeing the previous requirements.

UndercoverUlrikHD ,

Oracle can see the source code or the binary?

Draconic_NEO ,
@Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I don't think this person knows what they're talking about, they must either think ByteDance is hosting the source code on Oracle's servers or they somehow think that binaries are the same as source code 🤷

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

I think this person very well knows what they are talking about

TikTok got forced to host all on Oracle servers and store all information there. And have mandatory code inspections.

This was after Trump tried to ban it citing "security concerns".

The funniest part is that back then Microsoft was supposedly trying to buy TikTok and Trump made sure that wouldn't happen

Microsoft was reported to be in talks of acquiring TikTok. Later that day, President Trump announced plans to ban TikTok in the United States, and signaled opposition to any sale to a U.S.-based company. Trump's ban threat and his indication he would oppose any sale to an American buyer was condemned by TikTok users, many of whom argued that national security concerns were being used as a cover by the administration to justify a ban as retaliation for pranks aimed at Trump by TikTok users (particularly, a ticket-purchasing effort to inflate projected and depress actual attendance of his June 20 campaign rally in Tulsa, Oklahoma) and other content satirizing Trump or critical of him and his actions, especially in relation to his response to the George Floyd protests.

Linkerbaan ,
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lanolinoil ,
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Oracle can see the source code

What? Surely that's not true

Draconic_NEO ,
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Where did you get the idea that Oracle can see their source code? That only applies if they host their source repository on Oracle, if they host the servers there chances are it's binaries that are hosted on the server not the source code.

Linkerbaan ,
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May 2023 - TikTok Will ‘Soon’ Grant Oracle Full Access to Code, Algorithm

(Bloomberg) -- TikTok will “soon” grant Oracle Corp. full access to its source code, algorithm and content-moderation material as part of efforts to alleviate national security concerns about the app.

Oracle will also begin monitoring the controlled gateways where data comes in and out of the secure environment it set up on servers to host data from TikTok’s US users, according to a statement from the social media company Monday.

Dark_Arc , (edited )
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No, because it's more about the curation algorithm than it is about the data or privacy.

Regulating curation is a clear violation of free speech laws for citizens, but foreign entity that controls TikTok has no such protections. Giving them this protection could be a dangerous precedent.

archomrade , (edited )

This is still a problem with US based platforms, though.

I would think people of the fediverse of all places would feel strongly about allowing users to control their own curation rather than allowing private companies to dictate what individual users see.

Dkarma ,

This is about military bases, bud.

Sanctus ,
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Then why is it not limited to military personnel?

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Yes, but congress just authorized a bunch of new surveillance

Crikeste ,

Affective legislation rather knee jerk reactionary politics? Not in America, buddy.

Remember the golden rule of American thought:

CHINA BAD.

slurpinderpin ,

Both can be true, poor US legislation that protects their buddies (investors), and China’s bad

djsoren19 , to Technology in TikTok sues to block prospective US app ban

It'll be interesting to see how this one plays out. In my head this argument is a little shaky, since it seems to be effectively arguing that Americans have the right to access foreign propoganda machines? There is legal precedent here, but the nature of propoganda has massively changed since the 60s.

This is going to be a very interesting court case that has broad reaching implications, but expect no Americans to give a shit because it's not going to feature a trash fire to gawk at.

RobotToaster ,
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In my head this argument is a little shaky, since it seems to be effectively arguing that Americans have the right to access foreign propoganda machines?

I don't see why that's shaky? There a plenty of books written by members of the CPC (Including Xi Jinping himself) on Amazon, in English, should Americans be banned from accessing that foreign propaganda?

huginn ,

Lamont v. Postmaster General(1965)

Supreme Court ruled that publishing propaganda in America is free speech. You're not allowed to interfere with an American's access to propaganda

Justice Brennan made explicit what had been implicit in the majority opinion, declaring that “the right to receive publications is . . . a fundamental right,” the protection of which is “necessary to make the express guarantees [of the First Amendment] fully meaningful.”

djsoren19 ,

I'm aware of the precedent, but there's a pretty massive difference between being able to receive printed media, and being able to have continual access to post and contribute content to a foreign propoganda tool that uses an algorithm to purposefully suppress subjects the CCP disapproves of. I don't believe the precedent is going to be applicable here, but IANAL, and maybe ByteDance's lawyers think this defense will be a slam dunk.

zaph ,
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To me it sounds the exact same. The language doesn't say "printed propaganda that doesn't have a lot of nuance" it just says publications.

djsoren19 ,

Sure, but if you tried to explain TikTok to the ruling judge on the 1965 case, I think their head would explode. The ruling isn't some all powerful precedent that shuts down the ban before the suit can begin, it's old and outdated. Something like TikTok was not even getting theorized at the time, you can't seriously expect it to be treated the same way.

archomrade ,

I don't think the source of propaganda is relevant to the distinction being made by the precedent. If TikTok can be considered propaganda, then so can Facebook or Twitter or Instagram because they all utilize algorithms subject to the control or manipulation by their owners.

AnAnonymous ,

I believe people should have the right to consume the propaganda they choose.

djsoren19 ,

I can agree with that, but it becomes muddier when it's a social media platform where your participation on the platform lends it credibility. As an example, the Hong Kong protests were supressed on TikTok at the behest of the CCP. You could argue that by creating the content that ByteDance's algorithm used to bury the videos being posted on TikTok, regular unwitting Americans were assisting the CCP in covering up the protests.

It'll be on ByteDance to prove those kinds of concerns invalid, just as it will be the US' job to demonstrate the threat posed by TikTok to Americans.

archomrade ,

The same can be said of any us based social media company.

Idk this just feels like red scare propaganda

djsoren19 ,

Yeah, except China has been committing a genocide and would gladly commit an atrocity on the scale of Israel x Palestine to Taiwan if the U.S. blinks.

Yes, the U.S. is evil as hell, and yet China is still worse. The U.S. doesn't have citizen reeducation camps, people don't get disappeared for talking out against dear leader. If you can't understand why giving an adversary like that unfettered access to people's minds is a security risk, I've no interest in arguing geopolitics with you.

archomrade ,

I'm not making a comparison between china and the us, I'm simply pointing out that banning chinese control over social media doesn't address the vulnerability of social media being manipulated against users by other parties.

If you have a problem with china owning a social media platform because they could potentially scew public perception through manipulative practices, then I would imagine the core of the issue isn't chinese ownership but the manipulative potential of social media algorithms generally.

I think most people would much prefer more transparent practices and user choice, such as what federated social media protocols provide. We shouldn't simply ban the one we fear, we should regulate them all so that users have more choice and control themselves.

lanolinoil ,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

to not would mean someone is controlling the propaganda I.e. all information

lanolinoil ,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

Especially for real law, you would have to define propaganda which I don't think has really been done.

I have thought about it and I don't see why all information isn't some form of propaganda because you're either bias on purpose by trying to persuade or bias by what you're aware of and know which can't be all information with our tiny human minds.

How do you measure bias without having some objective physical level model of the truth even?

I think the argument against TikTok and other Chinese companies is probably that you wouldn't allow Facebook by Chinese Communist Party and this crosses the line into that. To be fair though, you could probably ultimately make the same argument for US companies. Why is there so much money available for ads for VPNs compared to the financials of that market? Only a few answers to that one...

djsoren19 ,

Propoganda does have a legal definition though, it's not nearly as nebulous as all biased information. It does need to be purposefully distorting, either by falsifying information or by withholding relevant information. It also needs to be produced by an organized group or government, just making up nonsense about yourself doesn't count.

lanolinoil ,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, that's true-- but all the laws where 'a reasonable person...' make me feel like the porn definition "I know it when I see it!"

Mrkawfee ,
otp ,

I wouldn't trust any organization that has "truth" in its name. It's like the car salesperson who says "Trust me" way too much.

And according to Media Bias/Fact Check, they've got a clear bias and are not classified as factual reporting.

archomrade , (edited )

Pretty sure they are referencing a publicly available interview

edit: wild to me that people are downvoting a comment providing an additional source, but whatever I guess

Mrkawfee ,

The tiktok hate on this platform is bizarre.

archomrade ,

I think it just got hyper-politicized and segregated along political lines during the reddit migration.

You can pretty well predict the comment sentiment based on how the topic relates to political discourse. It's not surprising that a liberal-dominated instance would view TikTok through a political lense, even if it's super disappointing.

Other privacy-focused instances might see this less politically but lemmy.world has become centered around liberal politics.

Mrkawfee ,

It's literally a video interview of Romney and Blinken talking about why TikTok had to be shut down.

otp ,

That does seem to be how the article (and Twitter comment) framed it, yes

Mrkawfee ,

Yes. I'm not clear on why you went on a tangent about how untrustworthy the site linking the video is.

otp ,

How the article framed it does not mean that's what the video was about

Dark_Arc ,
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This is a really good read about how TikTok regulation fits into the historic skew of legal precedence and past regulation https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2024/03/tiktok-bill-foreign-influence/677806/

CaptainSpaceman , to Technology in TikTok sues to block prospective US app ban

Once again, the app isnt going to be banned unless the CCCP refuses to divest from TikTok

shortwavesurfer ,

Well, then the only hope it has of winning is on first amendment grounds because they already said that they would not be willing to sell the algorithm.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Rough life.

Fuck mega corps including govt owned ones that arent actually owned by the people.

Meta, Amazon, etc should all get fuked as well

sugar_in_your_tea ,

They're only unwilling until they're out of other options.

Eyck_of_denesle ,

They will gladly not have their service in US than selling it to a competitor that could pose a bigger threat to their income.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

It doesn't have to be in the US, just not China, N. Korea, Russia, or Iran. So I think it's a possibility.

normalexit ,

#1. The CCCP is Soviet Russia. #2. The requirement is that Bytedance sells tiktok (along with it's proprietary algorithms) to a US based company.

mannycalavera ,
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Once again, the app isnt going to be banned unless the CCCP refuses to divest from TikTok

CCCP 😂🤣😂. Fuck me that's hilarious.

Aatube ,
@Aatube@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Besides what other people have said, there's virtually no chance of the CCP divesting from TikTok.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Yep its going to get banned.

Also I think you mean CCP

autotldr Bot , to Technology in TikTok sues to block prospective US app ban

This is the best summary I could come up with:


TikTok sued Tuesday to block a US law that could force a nationwide ban of the popular app, following through on legal threats the company issued after President Joe Biden signed the legislation last month.

The court challenge sets up a historic legal battle, one that will determine whether US security concerns about TikTok’s links to China can trump the First Amendment rights of TikTok’s 170 million US users.

If it loses, TikTok could be banned from US app stores unless its Chinese parent company, ByteDance, sells the app to a non-Chinese entity by mid-January 2025.

In its petition filed Tuesday at the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, TikTok and Bytedance allege the law is unconstitutional because it stifles Americans’ speech and prevents them from accessing lawful information.

The petition claims the US government “has taken the unprecedented step of expressly singling out and banning” the short-form video app in an unconstitutional exercise of congressional power.

“For the first time in history,” the petition said, “Congress has enacted a law that subjects a single, named speech platform to a permanent, nationwide ban, and bars every American from participating in a unique online community with more than 1 billion people worldwide.”


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