Welcome to Incremental Social! Learn more about this project here!
Check out lemmyverse to find more communities to join from here!

istories.media

piecat , to Technology in “We Can Still Contact Technical Support in the West”: Russian weapons are being manufactured on foreign machinery — but why are they still running?

Since when did manufacturing equipment need an activation key? Are they talking about CNC mills? PLCs?

NutWrench , to Technology in “We Can Still Contact Technical Support in the West”: Russian weapons are being manufactured on foreign machinery — but why are they still running?
@NutWrench@lemmy.world avatar

The Russian enterprise should not seek customer support from the manufacturer directly: “You will simply compromise the legitimacy of our legal entity, which presents itself as an organization not connected to the Russian Federation in any way.”

Lol. The "legal entity" is literally telling you, "don't compromise our 'legitimacy' in this illegal as f*ck transaction."

skillissuer , to Technology in “We Can Still Contact Technical Support in the West”: Russian weapons are being manufactured on foreign machinery — but why are they still running?
@skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

nsa plz make a stuxnet

Guest_User ,

Isreal is a bit busy at the moment. Would be cool to have a wholly home grown resurgence though!

NeoNachtwaechter , to Technology in “We Can Still Contact Technical Support in the West”: Russian weapons are being manufactured on foreign machinery — but why are they still running?

(Besides being right in some aspects) the author needs to get his head around the fact that if you have bought a thing, then you (and not the vendor!) can do with it whatever you want.

surewhynotlem ,

I hope this concept comes to the US at some point.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Yup. I do what I can with my own equipment, but it's getting increasingly difficult to find the right intersection of meeting my needs, not having tracking, and being affordable.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

Not much hope there. England as well, and some of their other colonies.

andrew_bidlaw , to Technology in “We Can Still Contact Technical Support in the West”: Russian weapons are being manufactured on foreign machinery — but why are they still running?
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

This article makes it seem like weapon manufacturing machines are less controlled than John Deere tractors.

NoRodent ,
@NoRodent@lemmy.world avatar
Brkdncr , to Technology in “We Can Still Contact Technical Support in the West”: Russian weapons are being manufactured on foreign machinery — but why are they still running?

I think this makes the intermediate company a military target?

Th4tGuyII , to Technology in “We Can Still Contact Technical Support in the West”: Russian weapons are being manufactured on foreign machinery — but why are they still running?
@Th4tGuyII@fedia.io avatar

So essentially weapons manufacturers are now, instead of supplying directly to Russia, allowing their weapons to be sold to vendors with ties to Russian military vendors (who definitely wouldn't ever supply Russia) and turning a blind eye to it so they can claim to be following sanctions.

What filthy traitors. Should send them to the front line just so they can see what the weapons they're allowing Russia to obtain are being used for.

rottingleaf ,

Those who would do the sending are conscious of this and have a share in profits, I'm sure.

Plopp ,

...our legal entity, which presents itself as an organization not connected to the Russian Federation in any way.

Badeendje ,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

'Presents' is doing a lot of heavy lifting

partial_accumen , to Technology in “We Can Still Contact Technical Support in the West”: Russian weapons are being manufactured on foreign machinery — but why are they still running?

Manufacturers should include a second GPS in these units that doesn't block operation of the machine, but produces a kind of intermittent error code that makes the operator contact tech support. Tech support gives an instruction to the operator that clears the error.

However, included in the error string, which tech support now has, was obfuscated GPS coordinates that the manufacturer can decode. Provide these GPS coordinates to the Ukrainian military for priority targeting of the factories.

rottingleaf ,

That won't go unnoticed forever, I think.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Yeah, any reasonable org producing equipment for a military should be checking for such things.

just_another_person , to Technology in “We Can Still Contact Technical Support in the West”: Russian weapons are being manufactured on foreign machinery — but why are they still running?

Seems this is a loophole that needs to be closed, but who do we yell at to do so?

Dragomus ,

Well one small step would be to stop selling or dealing with subcontractors, will not fix it but does add an extra hurdle to things.

Technical issues? Go on-site to where the machine is supposed to be ... have your own technicians look at the machines on site and report back.

But I guess those costs put pressure on the profits of the company.

Munkisquisher ,

For engineering equipment it's often impossible to deal with the manufacturer. Your purchasing, training, calibration and trouble shooting has to be done by local resellers who do all this. It can be a huge pain in the ass and just slows everything down unless you get a rare reseller that really knows their shit.

catloaf ,

It's not a loophole. They're violating several laws by re-exporting the machines. And they're probably smuggling it too.

This could be stopped by the equipment manufacturer, at first export to Estonia, or at export from Estonia to Russia, but nobody cares enough at any of those points.

Warl0k3 , to Technology in “We Can Still Contact Technical Support in the West”: Russian weapons are being manufactured on foreign machinery — but why are they still running?

TL;DR - Uhhhh.... russia has been the #1 source of firmware jailbreaks and torrents for industrial software for 20+ years. Their government is so awful that their people had to figure out how to work around the world hating them.

Oh and capitalists are traitors. Burn the rich.

rottingleaf ,

russia has been the #1 source of firmware jailbreaks and torrents for industrial software for 20+ years. Their government is so awful that their people had to figure out how to work around the world hating them.

These two sentences are unconnected. It's just that in the 90s and early 00s in Russia incomes were still not very high to buy software, copyright protection wasn't really enforced, copyright violation being a thing was hard to explain to many people, and lots of things wouldn't be officially sold. Say, localized versions of video games often wouldn't exist.

In my childhood I remember that pirate disks were norm and official ones a curiosity, something very cool and unusual. Then official versions (including localized ones from 1C) started becoming more common, as would buying disks in book stores etc, and not in underground crossings or near subway entrances.

There were even companies which technically sold pirate disks, but they could have become official localizers or vendors or whatever. It probably didn't even occur to them to try and become such.

elvith ,

Anyone remember or been to those markets in eastern europe, where you could buy bootleg CDs, copied CDs, cracked games, counterfeit products, etc?

rottingleaf ,

Well, in those memories you wouldn't have to go to any market, you'd just see a few tables along the way in busy places on your way anywhere. Maybe even smaller shops (usually illegal construction alongside bigger buildings or even just in the middle of something supposed to be a square).

BTW, about illegal construction - frankly I'm nostalgic of all that. Because yeah, those cheap plastic things were illegal and were all demolished. Instead we now have supposedly legal heavy, tasteless, threatening "shopping centers" here and there, miraculously making the space feel more constrained than those old things would, all belonging to the right people, with nice shiny perfectly legal businesses inside.

It's somehow relaxing to get someplace backwater sometimes and see towns looking that old way. Though the town I'm thinking about looked differently back then, and I liked it more, but what will you do.

A-and frankly there were plenty of situations where it was perfectly legal (as possible in the Russian 90s), but "the permit was issued by mistake, no compensation is in order, free the building for demolition by tomorrow" for a 20 years old building solves any problem.

pycorax ,

Not Eastern European but I do remember these in Singapore about 20 years ago. Stores or roadside tables would open up with racks hung full of disks in plastic sleeves. Interesting times.

Hawke ,

They’re not actually unconnected. The skills built on recreational software piracy simply remain useful for industrial software piracy and sanctions-avoidance.

rottingleaf ,

Not sure if that's very correct. I'd say it's not about skills, but about such actions still generally not being prosecuted in Russia.

Of course there's also the issue of low-level reverse engineering skills, which may have been prestigious for longer in Russia due to level of life (old hardware being used longer, at some point with DOS), hacker movies cargo cult combined with Russians feeling the social need to present themselves smarter than they are (for example, all those award papers for stupid competitions in school where children who've had in their life an hour-long explanation of, for example, combinatorics or basic discrete math win, and those who haven't lose or don't get there).

Plopp ,

Burn the rich.

Hey! You'd better be talking about a BBQ because I was promised eating.

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • random
  • incremental_games
  • meta
  • All magazines