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THE_ANON ,

Yeah its gross

I hope they reconsider

match ,
@match@pawb.social avatar

who the dick would want to see Threads posts

atocci , (edited )
@atocci@kbin.social avatar

There are lots of people on there I would like to follow, but they wont be joining the fediverse and I don't want to make a Threads account myself either.

kzhe ,

Me. Are there any small instances that won't defed?

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

get the block

kzhe ,

...OK then? I don't see any incentive to block me because I don't think EEE can happen?

Daft_ish ,

If it helps kill twitter?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Meet the new Twitter, same as the old Twitter.

tigerjerusalem ,

Lots of illustrators and writers have Threads and Instagram because it's where the money is. They rely on that kind of exposure to sell and show their work. Following from Mastodon without a Threads account would be awesome.

Not to mention that many Mastodon users are ridiculously "purists" saying that no ad or sell should be on the network, ever, and are actively hostile to the small guys trying to make a living here. I agreed that big corps can fuck off because they overdo ads, but the small guy selling his weird contraptions or custom phone cases should see Mastodon as an alternative. But the truth is that they won't.

rabiddolphin ,
@rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

People are delusional. Most books sell less than 5000 copies their entire lifetime. Most illustrators are LARPing freelancers who get paid in exposure.

tigerjerusalem ,

Source?

SnotFlickerman ,
@SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I assume that people with those attitudes "miss what Twitter used to be."

Miss me with that shit, Twitter was always a shithole and Jack Dorsey was always a Nazi-protecting piece of shit.

Zuck and Meta ain't no better.

KuroeNekoDemon ,

Thank god my admin blocked them outright

LinkOpensChest_wav ,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Same with mine! I don't think it was ever considered an option not to, and I madly respect that

ImplyingImplications ,

Same with lemmy.ca

capital ,

My god. Can you imagine taking < 30 seconds to just do it yourself? You might have died.

sour ,
@sour@kbin.social avatar

is have no more backbone than chocolate eclair

sub_ubi ,

I don't think there's a good reason to avoid threads so long as it contains good and interesting users, and isn't making huge demands from your users.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

It doesn't though? Facebook's employers and users are 100% garbage people.

sub_ubi ,

If you think everyone who uses facebok is garbage then the problem is you, you're a misanthrope.

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I probably am a misanthrope, but that doesn't change the fact that anyone remaining on Facebook, Twitter, or even Reddit at this point, are bots, corporate shills, misinformation campaigns from enemy nations, or the idiots who have looked around at what's going on with their platform and went "Yeah I'll keep using this."

gianni ,
@gianni@lemmy.ca avatar

lol so my grandma is a garbage person because she hasn’t rage deleted her facebook account and setup shop on some federated instance where absolutely none of her family and remaining friends are while having to learn some completely new & often actively hostile interface. alright

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yep. Knowing grandparent aged people, probably for more reasons than that.

sour ,
@sour@kbin.social avatar

am already escape facebook

spujb OP ,

the “huge demand from your users” will immediately be having to deal with meta’s attrocious history with moderation and user safety being repeated.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

honestly my threads feed is pretty good and i havent noticed too many issues with the things that plagued twitter. the trans community is pretty big on threads too which is nice.

sub_ubi ,

I wonder if you can whitelist certain users, rather than the entire server

Eldritch ,
@Eldritch@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly. And if they can't behave, we can always defederate later. I don't see the rush.

chumbalumber ,

Ok obviously no zuck, but that image do be kinda hot like yes make me lick your boots zaddy 🥵

wellee ,

Tbh I've been on here for a year now and I still don't know what this means 😬

It says Threads is federated for my instance, which means it should show up in my scrolling feed? But I've never seen a post and I sort by new...

atocci , (edited )
@atocci@kbin.social avatar

If you mean lemmy.world, Lemmy doesn't display microblog posts unless they're posted to a community, which is a confusing process. Threads isn't fully federating right now anyway though. Even if you're on Mastodon, you'll only be a able to see posts from specific Threads accounts who have had federation enabled, which is mostly just a few engineers iirc.

RmDebArc_5 ,
@RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

Threads isn’t fully federated, meaning currently there aren’t a lot of Thread posts on the Fediverse. Also, since Lemmy isn’t like Threads (compared to mastodon), you won’t really see any posts. Overall Threads is mostly a Mastodon problem (though lemmy is also effected) and you probably won’t experience a big difference

nifty , (edited )
@nifty@lemmy.world avatar

I think because their instances don’t have enough content or interactions. Including threads isn’t necessarily going to fix it, it’ll just provide threads with more content that’s not on threads. People who want to use these admins instances are already using it, threads users aren’t going to migrate simply because these admins have included threads. In short, you’ve let in the fucking Trojans haven’t you? Did you let in the Trojans? Because I think that’s what you’ve done, you nimrods.

Franconian_Nomad ,

Wow, both instances I’m on (Lemmy and Mastodon) blocking Threads. I’m proud
of my admins!

THE_ANON ,

Yep that are the kind of people fit to run the fediverse

jsh ,

Woe is the individual who likes government agencies and celebrities I suppose.

ICastFist ,
@ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

The irony is govt agencies running on commercial social media they have little to no control over

jsh ,

I'd be lying if I said I didn't see it. 💀

yetAnotherUser ,

I should probably migrate my mastodon.social account, even though I barely use Mastodon. Any recommendations for cool servers with cool people?

spujb OP ,

i see a lot of fun over at wetdry.world

rabiddolphin ,
@rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

Run your own if you can and use something like Akkoma that's lighter on resources

yetAnotherUser ,

I just see so many disadvantages on running your own instance:

  • First and foremost, you need to rent a webserver and a domain.
  • Then, you need to setup SSH and TLS, and to configure your server as to lessen the chances of you getting hacked/DOSed, and setup some failsafes in case someone still manages to hack you.
  • Then you finally install the Mastodon/Pleroma/whatever and configure it to your liking.

And after all of that, many issues may still pop up at any time. What if your instance can't federate with others? And what if you get DDOSed? Lots of things can happen, and none of them seems fun.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

i honestly don't get the hate. i love the fact that i wont need two apps anymore to see the more mainstream people i used to follow on twitter. tje worst part about twitter going under is the fragmentation.

Johanno ,

I understand you, but I specifically went to lemmy to not have any of that bullshit from Musk or Zuck or Spez. Facebook is a toxic dumpster fire(on purpose because money) Twitter is a toxic dumpster fire (because Musk is an asshole). Reddit is basically the same but the ceo is still an asshole. And I am sure that after a few years threads will follow this trend soon.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

true but you wouldn't be interacting with it unless you follow specific users or go into the global timeline

Corgana ,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

idk there are a handful of Reddit communities I miss, I would love to be able to follow them here, ad free, without a Reddit account.

Magnetar ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

It's happened so many times, and every time people thought "this time it's different".

tigerjerusalem , (edited )

People keep parroting this but won't explain how it could happen to the fediverse. As in, actual steps. Because Flipboard federated and I'm not flooded with news posts. Mastodon is used for Nazi instances and I'm not flooded by Nazi content, even if the maintainer don't block that particular instace due to not knowing it exists.

Care to explain exactly how EEE will happen?

EDIT: thank you for those who took the time to write a clear and technical responses, there are really good point worth considering that a didn't read anywhere else.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

even when you do federate with an instance, the global timeline isn't the default timeline - unlike places like twitter; you have to explicit go into the global timeline to see federated posts.

the only time you interact with other users is if you follow them or if they replace to public/unlisted posts.

solinus ,
@solinus@lemmy.cafe avatar

From what I've heard it might be something like this:

  • Embrace: Threads federate w/ mastodon
  • Extend: Convince people to join their server via an exclusive feature or popularity or whatever
  • Extinguish: Once people move over to Threads, defederate.
Pelicanen ,

From a more technical standpoint, I believe the idea is more like:

  • Embrace: Adhere to the fediverse standards to make Threads compatible and be a part of the overall userbase.

  • Extend: Add more functionality to the standard so that thread users get functionality that other fediverse users do not. This is where they would make it difficult for open-source devs to try and implement the same features in their software.

  • Extinguish: Finally, when enough of the userbase has been siphoned to their proprietary platform, cease compatibility with the fediverse and leave the old standard to die.

So basically the same thing you said. We can sort of see this with Google trying to make websites only be compatible with Chrome.

nintendiator ,

You keep parroting this to try and distract people from walked, tried, tested History. As in, actual steps that happened. And asking to be "explained" how History happened. That's called sealioning.

theneverfox ,

How about this, good faith way Facebook will still destroy everything

Facebook does one way, minimal federation. Facebook trash content makes its way around the fediverse, but things are mostly the same. Vigilance goes down

Facebook does complete federation, but at the same minimal level. Threads users now get to vote and comment on some fediverse content. This is the peak benefit to the fediverse

Facebook slowly ramps up data flow in both directions. The fediverse has smaller numbers and minimal tools to manage federation.

Facebook has an algorithm, a complex system to manage content to maximize for time/interaction/tolerance to ads.

Threads content will have far higher metrics that will impact our basic sorts, because the algorithm picks winners and losers. Fediverse content shown on threads and chosen by the algorithm also blows up

The various fediverse projects scramble for solutions. They might change up the sorting algorithms to adjust, some try to manage federation granularly (such as not counting threads votes, or treating their content differently). But they need tools that handle granular federation across the board, and they need it without breaking compatibility with activity pub... Every change will roll out slowly, and it's a very complicated problem.

Threads can update whenever they want, and can change how they federate far faster and more easily, because they're a centralized platform just deciding how they want to push and pull from external sources.

Some might cut off federation at this point, and users are pissed off they kept being shown the same content, and now are getting even less content.

Others are pissed that their feeds feel like Facebook.

This is the best case scenario... Just like Bitcoin or Tor, a decentralized network can be manipulated by any party who owns over a certain percentage of the network. They'll be able to control which content we see on the fediverse, because their numbers and algorithm will overwhelm our own.

They could also attack the standard and use standard EEE practices, but even if they don't, they'll enshittify the fediverse just by nature of the connection

rabiddolphin ,
@rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

They just want to exploit the data to help genocides happen like they always do

theneverfox ,

That's not true... Sometimes they just want to sell democratic elections to the highest bidder

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

but that doesn't really happen in a decentralized model.

spujb OP ,

the internet/web itself is a decentralized model and yet think of how often you see a website that “only works/works best on Google Chrome”

masterspace ,

That's because developers making websites don't want to bother to test their thousands of lines of application code on a bunch of different browsers.... is your argument that Threads will join the fediverse and then people arent going to test whether their 150 characters of text will work with Lemmy before posting and then all us Lemmy user's are going to quit because it's simply too much for Lemmy to render 150 characters of text and maybe an image?

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

there are very few sites that work on chromium but not on gecko or webkit, though.

capital ,

I don't think I've ever seen that though. Can I get an example?

rabiddolphin ,
@rabiddolphin@lemmy.world avatar

Gov websites

capital ,

Which ones? I’m on the VA one and USAjobs quite a lot and have had no issues with Firefox.

A link would be helpful.

But tbh that’s not a great example. If we’re talking an about orgs like the DoD, they have a horrendous track record. Some of their shit still required IE after it was deprecated.

I was in the Air Force and worked as a contractor for years after.

atocci ,
@atocci@kbin.social avatar

I only ever see it on Google's own websites (who woulda guessed) e.g. Google Earth

Skaxen ,

https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

That's exactly what happens in a decentralized model.

masterspace ,

Stop posting this unless you have an actual argument as to why it's not just FUD. This dumbass blogpost has been debunked over and over and over again.

Google Talk didn't kill XMPP.

XMPP didn't have a significant user base, Google Talk did, so while Google Talk supported XMPP, other open source XMPP clients got to ride their coattails and interact with a huge community and it felt like XMPP was thriving, when in reality Google Talk was what users cared about, not whether or not it connected to the rest of the minor XMPP networks, so when Google Talk decided to stop using XMPP, their users didn't care or switch and XMPP died.

But that's fundamentally not because Google killed it, it's because Google was the only thing keeping it alive.

jherazob ,
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

Try setting up a personal email server in 2024 and tell me afterwards how fun the experience was

saigot ,

You don't need two apps even if your instance defederates

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That is an awesome image. He's into it.

THE_ANON ,

In my opinion we should defederate with the servers federating with threads

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

what about a server that defederates with threads but federates with servers that dont defederate with threads

Corgana ,
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

How would that prevent Meta from doing the bad things?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

They're welcome to enshittify their own corner of the Internet, like everyone else, but we won't have to see it.

moon ,

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