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neonred ,

Sorry to ask, but what is a "Microsoft Recall"?

CursedByTheVoid ,

From the MS website:

Recall utilizes Windows Copilot Runtime to help you find anything you’ve seen on your PC. Search using any clues you remember or use the timeline to scroll through your past activity, including apps, documents, and websites.

A "feature" coming to Windows 11. Essentially a keylogger on steroids... Powered by AI of course, because what isn't these days.

neonred ,

Holy Shit. And here I am, hosting my own messaging, automation and syncronization services to be independend on providers, run AI locally, do not even leave emails on the server and they pull that stunt.

CursedByTheVoid ,

Yeah, kinda beating a dead horse here, but it's giving "2024, Year of the Linux Desktop, inadvertently sponsored by Microsoft."

neonred ,

My last Windows was 7 and that's already some years ago.

asphalt ,
doggle ,

I don't expect MS will give you the choice. Not as far as the whole spying on you part is concerned, at least.

Daxtron2 ,

I'll use it at work because I don't give a fuck about that machine but not for my personal machine.

thefrankring ,
@thefrankring@lemmy.world avatar

So happy Windows is protecting us from spyware and malware.

Now, we have to protect ourselves from Microsoft.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Like the F in "Oh, what a bleak, horrible future we live in!"

moon ,

Say the L word instead

shadearg ,
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That's ligma, perverts.

justme ,

For somebody who's last windows experience was windows 7: what did they come up now again?

amio ,

Well at least this surely will be easily disabled and then not keep re-enabling itself when Windows forgets its own settings every couple weeks(!)

RecluseRamble ,

It won't on... wait for it... Linux!

BigFatNips ,

I use arch btw /s

CursedByTheVoid , (edited )

Sure.

Then you get the occasional fun experience of a maintainer fucking up a package definition or two, and all of a sudden you can't update your system or run a program because there's a tangled mess of dependency conflicts and you get to spend the afternoon force reinstalling system libraries. Love ya' Void :')

Been trying NixOS which is great for avoiding that kind of thing, but it comes with it's own set of annoyances. I really ought to just settle on a more stable distro like Debian lol.

boo_ ,
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Debian is good :)

I myself love Guix, though, so I get why you wanna run NixOS as well.

jaybone ,

Quaid, start the reactor.

DaddleDew ,

I'm not even going to install Windows 11

Excrubulent ,
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Yeah, I've been trying for over a decade to switch to Linux, but the pain points have been too much for me. This is it though, MS is making it impossible to continue with their spyware crap. I have to find a way to make the switch before 10 reaches end of life.

DaddleDew ,

I tried the switch a while back and gave up. I tried a few months ago again with Mint and I haven't looked back. Now I'm looking to change to another distro. Mint is the perfect Linux entry drug. Just install it on another drive if you have one kicking around so you don't commit to destroying your windows install just yet.

Excrubulent ,
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I've tried Mint and Ubuntu and other flavours I can't always remember, various different frontends, I've used Raspbian, octopi, I've installed alternative Android OSes, and none of them have alleviated the pain of installing an OS that fucks up basic things on a regular basis.

Hell, just yesterday I was following a tutorial on how to install an audio amplifier on a retropie and it just failed. The audio test keeps going wrong in different ways each time I try. Every piece of hardware and software involved was known to the tutorial and matched to mine exactly, and still something unknown went wrong and I'll have to hunt down the reason. Something to do with GPIONext.service not starting properly. It's going to be a painful couple of hours mashing my face against this issue until I can figure it out, at the very least.

Like, nice pitch but I've heard too many times "this flavour of Linux is the perfect beginner distro!" only to find that no, this platform has more rough edge than surface and a fresh coat of paint hasn't changed that.

All I'm saying is that if a ubiquitous AI spy is the future of Windows then I guess I am forced to deal with that pain if the only alternative I can envision is to walk into the sea and never return.

shani66 ,

Same, Linux has always been a cool Idea but not worth going through the trouble of installing, now Microsoft is making the alternative way more trouble.

msage ,

I went to Linux because a colleague next to me handed me a Fedora DVD after having issues with company Windows.

I installed Linux many times on various hardware configurations since then.

I don't think I've ever had a pain installing it, perhaps once when Ubuntu had messed up installer with custom LUKS setup.

SqueakyBeaver ,
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Yeah I tried installing it a year or two ago, but a lot of the hardware on my laptop (only machine atm) was not compatible. It was stuff like the touchpad not even being detected.
I booted into the same install iso a few months ago and somehow it all worked.

It's a shit show sometimes, but it can surprise you

Excrubulent ,
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I recall there's some sort of driver called synaptic that makes touchpads work, but the only reason you even need to think about it is because hardware manufacturers don't make drivers for linux, and that's a large source of the problems.

The linux evangelists can say that's not linux's fault, but it is linux's problem, and so far the solutions are incomplete.

I remember when Windows 95 came out and my dad explained to me that microsoft had made the system so successful by working with manufacturers to build a database of drivers for every conceivable piece of hardware, so the system would work on almost any machine.

Prior to that I remember having to know what brand of soundcard I had so I could manually configure it within each individual game I wanted to play using a command line based tool. I had to remember Creative Sound Blaster and hunt it down in the menus. Linux doesn't have that, in fact there's still a lot of messing about with command line based tools.

FlorianSimon ,

A few years back, I had to compile a kernel with random patches to get the trackpad running on my razer blade (2018) working.

When it works, it's magic. I got better power usage using powertop than I was getting on Windows. When it doesn't, it's not something someone with no tech experience can fix, sadly.

OtherPetard ,

All this fuckery convinced me to start experimenting with Linux, just keeping windows on a backup PC for the couple of games that may not work...

theonyltruemupf ,

I had been doing that since 2018 and this year I realized I hadn't booted to Windows for years and uninstalled it.
I'm not a Linux expert at all, I use the GUI for 99% of tasks and I'm having a great time.

Beaver ,
@Beaver@lemmy.ca avatar

Homer looks like that ape nft

BluJay320 ,
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Even if this data wasn’t stolen by Microsoft (it will be) and sold to every advertiser everywhere (it WILL BE)

Having screenshots taken of your PC every few seconds and then stored on your hard drive is going to nuke your storage in a matter of days, maybe weeks at the most

paris ,

According to available information that I've come across, everything is processed on-device and encrypted and 25gb can store months of rewind data depending on how much and how you use your device. At that rate, a terabyte should store about a decade of history (I can't think of anything you would need to go that far back for though).

If security researchers don't find sussy behavior where Recall sends back some sort of data beyond basic telemetry, there's not really any higher of a privacy risk compared to using your computer as you currently do. Also you can disable it for certain applications and delete history when you want to (or disable the feature altogether). People are being really weird about this for reasons that have already been addressed.

BluJay320 ,
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Here’s the issue, though. It’s a corporation saying they pinky promise not to steal even more of your data, and I don’t trust them any more than I can purchase their company

That is to say, not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a thousandth of a percent

Scolding7300 ,

Just like Apple gives you the optiom to disallow tracking but their definition of tracking leaves a lot of room for data to be collected and shared with 3rd party

Barzaria ,

I predict GNUL desktop at 5%

henfredemars ,

I think it’s a cool idea in principle. I just don’t trust the company with my data even if they claim it is stored locally, but then again that’s why I don’t use their OS.

rumschlumpel ,

Yeah, I'd totally use whatever FOSS equivalent eventually makes it to the Linux desktop once it's actually usable.

henfredemars ,

It might not be long if the idea works. We already have good local LLMs.

drem ,

Gpt4all is avalible on linux, it is an open source software that can run LLMs locally.

areyouevenreal ,

That's not an alternative to Microsoft Recall. It doesn't take screenshots to record your activity.

drem ,

I agree, but its better than nothing. I'm sorry I mislead you.

Barzaria ,

Now introducing Microsoft dildonics. We will tell you when to put it in your holes.

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