Nobody said to get rid of the laws. I'm telling to enforce them. Posting that and not following through is why people thinks they are stupid.
I'll root hard for anybody suing them. If they don't because they think it's impossible to win it because it's hard, then, they are the ones de-facto giving away the law.
Maybe Lemmy should start adding NoAI meta tags to posts and comments like some other websites have started doing for images? Though I doubt it helps that much.
To be honest, the extreme negative reaction was a surprise to me, as I thought interaction between disparate systems was the entire point, but clearly we didn’t navigate the culture correctly.
Noooo fucking shit? If they spent more than a minute on a proper instance and not milquetoast mastodon dot social, they would have realised that a good number of fedi users despise shenanigans like this?
You missed the point. It is not about if it is private or not, it is how they use it.
You are allowed (on some pages) to read news article. Are you allowed to copy and publish them on your own site? No.
You have a Copyright on your posts same as a author has on his books.
If it is legal or not is still to be discussed.
Similar to how data was mined (or even still is) about users without consent. Now there is for example the GDPR.
Still doesn't explain how public posts on a public, decentralized social media platform are implied to be "mine" or that I have any influence on the end use. It's hosted on someone else's computer from the get go, if anything the server owners are the content owners more than I am.
Edit it'd be like if I started seeding a file on a torrent platform, then got upset when someone downloaded it.
Any material you create is implicitly copyright and owned by you. Comments without licences are equivalent to GitHub repos without licences, you can't use them
I write a book that gets published. I still hold copyright over it even if it is in someone else's bookshelf. What rights the copyright holder and the person has is regulated by law. For example a physical book can be resold or lent to someone else, but it is not allowed to copy it and sell the copies.
I can cite text from the boom, that falls under fair use but I cannot use whole chapters in a derived work.
I still hold copyright over my messages online, even when it is public or published, that is basic copyright law in most relevant legislations.
If the training of an LLM and later selling access to the LLM with copyright infringed data is fair use is yet to be determined.
Maybe private DMs on Mastadon aren't as private as everyone thinks... that, or the open nature of Activity Pub is leaking them somehow?
Edit - From the article:
Even more shocking is the revelation that somehow, even private DMs from Mastodon were mirrored on their public site and searchable. How this is even possible is beyond me, as DM’s are ostensibly only between two parties, and the message itself was sent from two hackers.town users.
From what @delirious_owl mentioned below, it sounds like this shouldn't be very shocking at all.
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Did you mean that the other way around?
And if you did... forgive me, I don't really use Mastodon. I was never much of a twitter fan. I don't really like how all of my likes are public (although I guess I have had to get used to that with Lemmy).
PM never implied any form of end to end encryption. It only ever meant people couldn't see it apart from site operators. I genuinely don't believe people thought it meant otherwise.
What @delirious_owl seemed to be implying is that direct messages on Mastodon should be considered "public" rather than "private".
I'm assuming that's along the same lines of how Lemmy users generally think that their upvotes/downvotes are private when in reality, if you know how to look for them, you can see them.
"Happy to remove any of your posts from Maven and cease ingestion from those servers going forward"
So, after the fact, individuals on Mastodon have to contact you personally and ask you to stop?
Is that your position?
Reminds me of Byron Miller (@Supernovae@universeodon.com) and his since-deleted "In four months of having full text seach [we haven't heard from anyone who has be directly harmed]..."
That last is a paraphrase because Supernovae has pretty much removed any mention of himself from the Fediverse, right down to deleting his involvement with Mastodon on Github, causing renchap to opine:
"I suspect that @Supernovae closed it because they do not want to be involved with Mastodon anymore."
"CEO Ken Stanley is an expert on open-ended discovery in both AI and human systems and ... (most recently leading the Open-Endedness Team at #OpenAI )."
At: "Is Maven part of a larger company?"
"No, Maven is an independent startup."
But
"Here are a few of our investors, who also commented on their reasons for supporting Maven:
-- Ev Williams, co-founder of #Twitter: “Maven lets you follow your deepest curiosities instead of the trends of the day.”
-- Sam Altman, CEO of OpenAI: ”In Maven, there is a chance for AI to play a role in fixing much that is broken in our online discourse.”
It depends. what purpose should this platform serve? What functions/features are you looking for? If all you're looking for is a light(er)-weight microblog fedi platform, maybe gotosocial.
Perhaps a schools network may benefit from an ActivityPub platform that not only allows social posting, but also includes features like cloud storage, and integrated groups (public, private, moderated) among other relevant features. I suggest taking a peek at streams.
Will check out streams. Is it lightweight? I wonder if gotosocial is a good choice for a multiple account instance, as AFAIK it is meant for single user ones
I previously ran a small streams instance on an older 32-bit laptop at home for a couple people. It ran fine. It can also run on shared web-hosting platforms. So I'd certainly say it's lightweight. Though, of course, it all depends on how much usage it will get (number of people, how active they are, how many contacts on other instances, etc). It can use either MySQL or PostgreSQL for db.
As for GoToSocial, you're right, looks like it's intended for no more than a small number of people.
So how many folks are you intending on hosting at this instance?
I have no idea how many people will end up using it. If we get lucky, we probably could even get to a number of 500 or so in some years... Hopefully...
Semi-related but I was thinking about this earlier this year, and I was wondering about the feasibility of posting bus cancellations via the fediverse instead of via a bussing company’s website or email.
I think updates like that would do well on Mastodon, it's the most popular right now so it has a wider reach / support. Similar to what would have been posted to Twitter before
It definitely seems like a good idea for education services, weather services, local municipal services, and basically all important government institutions to make important announcements and updates via a service they can host themselves or is more distributed, instead of via Twitter where they have to obey the whims of people like Musk.
I think once groups land in Pixelfed and the new app is released on the official app-stores, which will hopefully both happen this month, it is probably the best option if people are used to IG and Facebook.
It's written in php Laravel, so it should be somewhat more lightweight than Mastodon, but not massively so.
Mastodon also has a bit of an unjustified bad reputation for that... yes for very small instances it is a resource hog, but it scales reasonably well to larger number of users after that initial bump.
Is it closed source? What are the community rules? Beside the obvious content being not allowed, does it censor political speech? Define what is considered hate speech, etc?
I have concerns about the success of this platform. I am convinced what makes TikTok great isn't necessarily the algorithm (its good, no doubt) but the volume of content. There are so many users producing content that the amount of content you find enjoyable is always more than you could scroll through in a day.
A platform like this will be boring pretty fast when you scroll through the 100 new videos uploaded that day in an single hour, and you skip many of them. It's tough to generate enough content without enough users, and most of the content will likely just be aggregated from the other short-form sites. Of course that's not necessarily a bad thing, it's a more privacy-friendly way to browse that content, which is a plus.
Also, not particularly a fan of more brain-rotting short form content. It's crazy how addictive it is and I'm wanting less, not more. But if I had to choose a "shorts" platform I'd sure like a federated, free one to be the one to succeed. But it's got a long way to go
I recon bots that are scraping other platforms content might be a way to get things going. What we need to be doing across all federated media is make it profitable for all the content creators to post to federated media as well as mainstream bs. Perhaps we need a standardised donations model I would recommend monero as the currency totally anonymous proven to be a relatively stable currency, and its easy for anyone to implement without all the bureaucratic bs.
Would be nice if it would pull short vids from PeerTube or other fedi platforms.
Never really used tiktok, partially because I don't get addicted to video like I do reading text. Video is too slow for my ADHD brain, and you can't choose your content beforehand.
But I'd still pick up this platform to help it get traction.
@notnotmike@yogthos the addictive characteristic of Tiktok isn't about a massive amount of quality, but quantity hidden among mid quality content. Just all grade-A content wouldn't set off the dopamine that getting dud, after dud, after dud, jackpot, dud again, dud, dud, dud, dud, maybe jackpot no, dud, dud, dud... is a clear path to dopamine
Much like a slot machine, the algorithm can intersperse jackpot and near jackpot amongst mostly dud content that makes it very addictive.
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