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bolexforsoup , in Reminiscing about the "Reddit migration"

Fuck Reddit.

pseudonym ,

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

Reddit was a great idea - common software providing free access to diverse communities needing only a single account to access them all. Fuck spez for screwing it all up by being a greedy pig boy:-(.

maegul OP ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Without knowing the financial history of the place, it seems a good case study in something that could have gone for the sustainable stalwart of the internet path but instead fell to the dark silicon valley profit/growth side of things. With wikipedia being the only great success (AFAIK) at forging solid and sustainable foundations for the internet, I suppose the lesson is that it has to be non-profit, or open-source (or both) from the beginning.

In a way, it is kinda on many of us for not realising this and pushing against it sooner.

One of the great things coming out of the fediverse (and bluesky too at the moment) is all of the open software being developed that will hopefully plant seeds that will last a long time.

OpenStars ,
@OpenStars@discuss.online avatar

It absolutely is imho. Like at some point it was not social media as it became later, following (well, attempting to) the financial success of Facebook and Twitter/X, and instead people could submit long-form answers to questions, rather than merely vomit their feelings into the never-ending stream of others doing the same.

^This

I also choose this guy's wife

And my bow

etc.

By deprioritizing people finding answers and instead encouraging them to make new posts all on their own to ask the question yet again, over & over, spez tried to make money and enshittified Reddit by taking it away from its original purpose that had given it such a reputation for being great.

So it's not "having ads" that destroyed it, but the chasing after ad revenue at all costs that was driving it into the dirt. Even before the protests revealed that starkly to us all that the Reddit we had known and use to love was dead - spez had stolen it, he took our efforts and that ad-bloated, authoritatian-modded corpse was what was leftover. And it wasn't even bc of profits alone, but greed in chasing short-term profits above all else, including long-term profits. Aka capitalism killed it.

can ,

It was even open source at one point.

metallic_substance ,

Yeah, totally. As someone who used reddit for 10 years and had comment karma in the several hundreds of thousands, it still pisses me off that it was ruined in the way it was

MeowZedong ,
@MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml avatar

All those internet points...lost...never to be earned again...

On Lemmy, our social credit score isn't even tracked!

TropicalDingdong , in Reminiscing about the "Reddit migration"

Yeah its been a journey. My cakeday for the an account I made on ml would be about now, and I think its around a month till this account is officially a year old.

Its an odd time to be on a platform like lemmy.

We're seeing an almost complete adulteration of what we might call the internet 2.0 era sites into walled gardens of exclusion. Effectively, the stealing, en-masse of almost two decades of user generated content. The walls and gates of the gardens we planted get higher everyday; the enshittification of all things.

And yet here we are. On a self-hosted, federated, unbought, unbroken, and unbent platform. Obviously its not all roses, but for what its worth, both the users and developers have created something incredibly special: A ray of hope in a time where it seems like the world has only been changing for the worse. And while the instances have their differencs, we should be looking to embrace those differences as much as possible, because this is what truly gives the fediverse strength. If its Kbin or Lemmy or Mastadon; or .ml or .world or .blahaj.zone.

The point of the fediverse isn't consolidation or control, but distribution and access. There is so much more possible simply because enough of us were willing to make the journey over here. We're providing the future with an alternative that isn't tracking them, trying to manipulate them with an algorithm, or to turn them into commodities. There is power in that.

So happy cakeday. Happy cake season to those who were messing around with a browser plug-in about this time last year, trying to delete their reddit history. Happy cakeday to the developers, to those who post, and to the commenters. And most of all, happy cake day to you dear lemming reading this. You make this place happen.

maegul OP ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Hear hear!!

tmpod ,
@tmpod@lemmy.pt avatar

Great comment, cheers!

Blaze ,
@Blaze@reddthat.com avatar

Well put!

maegul , in Federated Blogging Platforms
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

I keep wondering if lemmy itself could do a decent job of this, and that being native to a communities style platform is a good thing for a blogging platform on the fediverse.

sabreW4K3 OP ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Lemmy absolutely could, but it shouldn't. It's a far better link aggregator than it will ever be a blog platform,

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

but it shouldn’t

I'm curious about why you think this relatively strongly (if you don't mind my asking)?

sabreW4K3 OP ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

I'm a big fan of tools made for purpose. Lemmy has some fantastic features and continues to improve, but it was never designed as a blogging platform. Even when I duplicate self text posts, it doesn't merge. In the timeline. I like Lemmy and want to see it succeed. Though that's not easy with the ML administration team going rogue or the overt centralization fostered on world, but neither of those are software issues.

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Even when I duplicate self text posts, it doesn't merge. In the timeline.

That's kinda the beauty of open source though. The clients can manage this function. And they do.

Old_Geezer ,

What do you mean by the "ml team going rogue"?

sabreW4K3 OP ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Deleted posts and member bans inconsistent with the rules and without explanation.

poVoq , in Federated Blogging Platforms
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Wordpress obviously.

Friendica, Hubzilla and Streams also work quite well for long-form blogs.

sabreW4K3 OP ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Thanks, this made me actually take the time to look into hubzilla finally and its my first time hearing about Streams.

chris ,
@chris@im.allmendenetz.de avatar

@sabreW4K3

you can have all the features of Hubzilla and make it look like Writefreely

https://im.allmendenetz.de/channel/blogbasic-one

sabreW4K3 OP ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Okay, I guess my next big question is, what is hubzilla at its core? Is it a NextCloud alternative?

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

I think originally it tried to be a Facebook alternative, but over time it developed into a personal cloud space of sorts. I would agree with the comparison to Nextcloud as of 5 years ago, but these days they pivoted into the enterprise space and isn't that nice for home users any longer.

sabreW4K3 OP ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Does Hubzilla have CardDAV and CalDAV support? I'm using NextCloud for calendar and contacts primarily, would be interesting to try Hubzilla as a replacement if it's feasible.

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Yes and WebDAV support.

sabreW4K3 OP ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Nice. Thank you.

sabreW4K3 OP ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Sorry to bother you again, I was starting to look into Hubzilla and my brain started hurting, because I can't understand how you federate contacts, calendar and file hosting. That said, I started looking into the contacts and calendar thing and this came up

Hubzilla and Nextcloud both offer features for managing contacts and calendars, but they cater to different needs:

  • Hubzilla focuses on social networking and doesn't have built-in calendar or contact management features. However, some Hubzilla servers offer integrations with third-party calendar and contact apps.
  • Nextcloud excels at personal cloud storage, including contacts and calendars. You can store your contact information and calendar events on your own server, giving you complete control and privacy over your data.

Is this correct?

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Well, for various reasons I stopped hosting my own Hubzilla instance some years ago, but back then it absolutely had CalDAV and CardDAV. The problem was mainly that this wasn't well exposed in the Hubzilla web-interface, other than an event calendar. But with Thunderbird and DAVx5 etc. you could connect to it and manage it just fine. The WebDAV file storage part worked fine in the web-interface as well.

Edit: these parts are not federated though AFAIK (contrary to Nextcloud which does have some kind of file-sharing federation).

chris ,
@chris@im.allmendenetz.de avatar

@poVoq

Sure - Hubzilla has file-sharing functionality... but the files stay on your could....

The magic and real power of Hubzilla however is that you can share permission and access rights across Fedi Servers...

so even the files stay on your server you can "federate" access all over the Fediverse ... you can´t do that with Nextcloud

With Nextcloud you can share with an Email account holder - with Hubzilla you can share with an Fedi account holder

@sabreW4K3

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

It's true that Hubzilla has access permissions for files on your WebDAV folder, and those access permissions sort of federate to other Zot protocol using sites (but not the wider Fediverse), but Nextcloud also has its own inter-Nextcloud federation where you can access files on other Nextcloud instances right inside your Nextcloud.

chris ,
@chris@im.allmendenetz.de avatar

@poVoq

those access permissions sort of federate to other Zot protocol using sites (but not the wider Fediverse),

there were improvements done in the last years... so with the OCAP function ( /settings/privacy ) and guest tokens ( /tokens ) we can share permissions for files across the Fediverse ... and even to people who do not have a Fedi Account jet

come back on board and have a closer look

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

Ah, good to know, thanks for the correction 👍

I don't really have a need for most of the features Hubzilla offers, so I think I'll stick to my Akkoma instance. But I encourage people to check out Hubzilla, as it is a neat project overall.

chris ,
@chris@im.allmendenetz.de avatar

@poVoq Akkoma? i thought you found your home on Lemmy?

I saw your avatar years ago a lot in Hubzilla posts...

Akkoma and Hubzilla are different because of the permission system and all this other CMS functions.

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

I use both Lemmy and Akkoma, but yes I used to be quite active on Hubzilla when I had an instance of it.

chris ,
@chris@im.allmendenetz.de avatar

@sabreW4K3

Hubzilla and Nextcloud both offer features for managing contacts and calendars, but they cater to different needs:

Hubzilla focuses on social networking and doesn’t have built-in calendar or contact management features. However, some Hubzilla servers offer integrations with third-party calendar and contact apps.
Nextcloud excels at personal cloud storage, including contacts and calendars. You can store your contact information and calendar events on your own server, giving you complete control and privacy over your data.

NO

Hubzilla has a build calendar and has a contact management, also a personal cloud storage and gives you complete control and privacy over your data.

chris ,
@chris@im.allmendenetz.de avatar

@sabreW4K3
Maybe we can put is that way:
Hubzilal is focused on social networking and has also a could storage

Nextcloud is focus on providing a cloud storage and has also social networking features...

you get it ? the focus ist different :-)

sabreW4K3 OP ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

I ended up watching a few videos and now I understand. Danke!

electricprism , in [opinion] By sunsetting Section 230, Congress could be about to break the internet as we know it

IPFS let's gooooooo

electricprism ,

Also, when can we get Internet over Radio? Good luck stopping waves bouncing off the stratosphere. Such a tech would immediately end censorship and lawfare using physics and science.

golden_zealot ,
@golden_zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

Are there any papers or sources on this? Of course it would be very slow, but I'd be interested to see what proposals exist.

kashifshah OP ,
golden_zealot , (edited )
@golden_zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

I'm aware of 802.11 lol, But i'm wondering about papers or sources talking about the feasibility/usability of bouncing it off of the ionosphere using something like shortwave to achieve the objective originally stated.

What makes 802.11 effective is that it exists in the GHz band and as a result it can move a lot of data very quickly, but you need a low frequency to allow a radio signal to be reflected back to earth without escaping into space instead, so speeds would suffer greatly. Just wondering if there are proposals on how to make it usable in the low frequency bands so that you could reflect it back to earth and also not have to wait 7 years for an image to load.

Furthermore for this to work you would need a relatively high powered radio setup on your end to send messages back to the source youre receiving from if you don't intend to just receive data.

kashifshah OP ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-range_Wi-Fi

:D

I'll see if i can find something specifically about what you are asking, but I would be surprised if anyone has taken the time to try to bounce WiFi. The wavelength might not be amenable to bouncing, as it is such a high frequency signal. If I recall correctly, there is a relatively narrow range of wavelength that will actually bounce back to earth off of the atmosphere.

edit: https://radiojove.gsfc.nasa.gov/education/activities/iono.html

golden_zealot ,
@golden_zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

Awesome, this is just what i was looking for, thanks!

hazeebabee ,

Mesh networks have been made using ham radios! It's not ready for the general public since you need a ham operators lisence & their range is limited by line of sight. But if you own a large property, you can network your own space using the tech. It's also a good back up in the case of a large scale infrastructure disruption.

Heres a link :)

Edgarallenpwn , in [opinion] By sunsetting Section 230, Congress could be about to break the internet as we know it
@Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social avatar
frauddogg , in [opinion] By sunsetting Section 230, Congress could be about to break the internet as we know it
@frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Paywalled article; nuke it and move on unless there's either an archive link or a rehost on somewhere that doesn't cater to capitalists

kashifshah OP ,

Good catch, I add archive links to everything, but doing it by hand right now, so sometimes I miss them.

Sorry about that.

Planning on writing a script or something to handle archiving.

lemmyreader ,

Sorry about that.

No worries. The archive.ph link gave me a Google reCAPTCHA to solve 😱 but the original link was perfectly readable for me. What were the paywall comments about, was it a non EU thing ?

To extend the link collection here's a WayBackMachine one :

Pantrygheist , in dansup: "Still working hard to ship Groups this weekend! …" - Mastodon

Did he do pixelfed on his own? That's mind boggling

sabreW4K3 OP ,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

AFAIK, he did indeed

GeekFTW , in dansup: "Pixelfed Discovery is about to get supercharged! …" - Mastodon
@GeekFTW@lemmy.zip avatar

I hope they also improve the ability to see your damned hashtags cause when I used Pixelfed I followed a few dozen hashtags of interest and I only ever found one spot on your account which let you see 'the list' of hashtags you followed and it only ever showed me a random selection of 3-4 of the dozens I followed. Closed my account a few days later lol.

melroy , in dansup: "Still working hard to ship Groups this weekend! …" - Mastodon
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

They are indeed.

singpolyma , in Single-user Mastodon Instance is a Bad Idea
@singpolyma@lemmy.ml avatar

You mean you'll only see content from people you follow and only people who follow you will see you content? Sounds like working as intended the way things were meant to be.

heluecht , in Single-user Mastodon Instance is a Bad Idea
@heluecht@pirati.ca avatar

@cypherpunks I've got the feeling as if the author doesn't know about the existence of relay servers. With them, also a single user instance works really fine, I think.

invisiblegorilla ,

He does mention it but says it added resource overhead he didn't want

s4if , in Single-user Mastodon Instance is a Bad Idea
@s4if@lemmy.world avatar

Just uses Akkoma or GoToSocial, setup fedifetcher or follow some relays and you can get good enough experience in Fediverse. Mastodon is literally build to handle huge amount of users so it is nowhere near efficient if used for just 1 person.

AtHeartEngineer , in What is Farcaster, and why did it raise 150M USD?
@AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

Your article is a pretty reasonable and fair evaluation of farcaster, but then your post saying crypto/web3 is "mostly really dumb and bad" is not very nuanced. I know a lot of people on Lemmy don't like crypto, and that's what's in the meta right now, but if you are going to give something a fair shake, give it a fair shake, don't just anticipate backlash for covering a crypto topic and preface it with "it's mostly really dumb and bad". Ya there are a lot of scams, and a lot of bullshit projects, but there is a core of really useful infrastructure there, which farcaster is using for self sovereign account registration/ownership.

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

Seems inefficient, couldn't the same thing be accomplished using local DBs rather than the world's most inefficient ledger?

AtHeartEngineer ,
@AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

Farcaster uses decentralized hubs and multiple clients, if you want global usernames you need a global db

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

What if we don't want global usernames? What if we're entirely satisfied with global user IDs in a DHT?

AtHeartEngineer ,
@AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

Those are different design choices that have different trade offs, I didn't make these decisions, I'm just explaining how it is

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

No worries, I'm merely confident that the tradeoffs necessary to employ a blockchain aren't worth the supposed benefits thereof.

AtHeartEngineer ,
@AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

I understand, don't get me wrong, 99% of stuff in crypto is hot garbage, but having a global database that isn't controlled by any one (or even dozen) entities is pretty powerful. The 2 guys that started farcaster could quit, or get hit by a bus, or decide it's not profitable enough and pivot, but at least you have control over your profile still. If reddit was decentralized more, they wouldn't be able to shut down their APIs for 3rd party clients.

Trust me I understand the criticism of block chains, but if we want open source and the internet to thrive and not be controlled by companies, we need a global layer that is neutral.

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

We already have that, it's called a Distributed Hash Table, no blockchain required.

AtHeartEngineer ,
@AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

But there's no global consensus, it's not trustless, and smart contracts unlock a lot of additional composable capabilities.

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

Trust, consensus, and access control are session-layer issues that don't need to be solved by a transport-layer protocol. Social networks deserve to be able to forget things.

AtHeartEngineer ,
@AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

Which is a whole lot of extra engineering that is already taken care of with a blockchain. Whether social networks should forget your username/registration is a different debate.

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

It really isn't a different debate when you're talking about putting them on the blockchain, and all that other engineering has already been done by other distributed social networks.

AtHeartEngineer ,
@AtHeartEngineer@lemmy.world avatar

Ok, we are talking in circles, you have your opinions, I have mine. If you want to talk about this over voice at any point, let me know, I don't think text is going to get anywhere, and Lemmy has a pretty strong bias against crypto (which I understand, but obviously disagree with)

Jayjader , in Single-user Mastodon Instance is a Bad Idea

Interesting to note that this was originally posted a little over a year ago. I don't know if anything has changed since, as I don't self host masto and have been spending more and more of my "fedi-time" here in lemmy.

Not surprised that someone who "led AI and subscription products at Amazon for the past 8 years" ended up back on mastodon.social, but that's probably neither here nor there...

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