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baronvonj , in Reminiscing about the "Reddit migration"
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Cheers!

I started my beehaw and ml accounts on June 2. This one and Lemmy.one are coming up on June 11. And my sdf.org account was on June 30. But this is the one that stuck 😁.

Mac , in Reminiscing about the "Reddit migration"

holy shit! i hadn't even realized it's been so long! sweet!

the_kung_fu_emu , in Reminiscing about the "Reddit migration"
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It's been wonderful to find a home here! Hoping for many more cake days for all of us here in this friendly little corner of our beloved blue marble!

qprimed , in Reminiscing about the "Reddit migration"

and I realised I was seeing lemmy literally come alive!

thats a rather soul stirring realization put to words. :-)

electricprism , in [opinion] By sunsetting Section 230, Congress could be about to break the internet as we know it

IPFS let's gooooooo

electricprism ,

Also, when can we get Internet over Radio? Good luck stopping waves bouncing off the stratosphere. Such a tech would immediately end censorship and lawfare using physics and science.

golden_zealot ,
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Are there any papers or sources on this? Of course it would be very slow, but I'd be interested to see what proposals exist.

kashifshah OP ,
golden_zealot , (edited )
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I'm aware of 802.11 lol, But i'm wondering about papers or sources talking about the feasibility/usability of bouncing it off of the ionosphere using something like shortwave to achieve the objective originally stated.

What makes 802.11 effective is that it exists in the GHz band and as a result it can move a lot of data very quickly, but you need a low frequency to allow a radio signal to be reflected back to earth without escaping into space instead, so speeds would suffer greatly. Just wondering if there are proposals on how to make it usable in the low frequency bands so that you could reflect it back to earth and also not have to wait 7 years for an image to load.

Furthermore for this to work you would need a relatively high powered radio setup on your end to send messages back to the source youre receiving from if you don't intend to just receive data.

kashifshah OP ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-range_Wi-Fi

:D

I'll see if i can find something specifically about what you are asking, but I would be surprised if anyone has taken the time to try to bounce WiFi. The wavelength might not be amenable to bouncing, as it is such a high frequency signal. If I recall correctly, there is a relatively narrow range of wavelength that will actually bounce back to earth off of the atmosphere.

edit: https://radiojove.gsfc.nasa.gov/education/activities/iono.html

golden_zealot ,
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Awesome, this is just what i was looking for, thanks!

hazeebabee ,

Mesh networks have been made using ham radios! It's not ready for the general public since you need a ham operators lisence & their range is limited by line of sight. But if you own a large property, you can network your own space using the tech. It's also a good back up in the case of a large scale infrastructure disruption.

Heres a link :)

frauddogg , in [opinion] By sunsetting Section 230, Congress could be about to break the internet as we know it
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Paywalled article; nuke it and move on unless there's either an archive link or a rehost on somewhere that doesn't cater to capitalists

kashifshah OP ,

Good catch, I add archive links to everything, but doing it by hand right now, so sometimes I miss them.

Sorry about that.

Planning on writing a script or something to handle archiving.

lemmyreader ,

Sorry about that.

No worries. The archive.ph link gave me a Google reCAPTCHA to solve 😱 but the original link was perfectly readable for me. What were the paywall comments about, was it a non EU thing ?

To extend the link collection here's a WayBackMachine one :

Edgarallenpwn , in [opinion] By sunsetting Section 230, Congress could be about to break the internet as we know it
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AtHeartEngineer , in What is Farcaster, and why did it raise 150M USD?
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Your article is a pretty reasonable and fair evaluation of farcaster, but then your post saying crypto/web3 is "mostly really dumb and bad" is not very nuanced. I know a lot of people on Lemmy don't like crypto, and that's what's in the meta right now, but if you are going to give something a fair shake, give it a fair shake, don't just anticipate backlash for covering a crypto topic and preface it with "it's mostly really dumb and bad". Ya there are a lot of scams, and a lot of bullshit projects, but there is a core of really useful infrastructure there, which farcaster is using for self sovereign account registration/ownership.

knightly ,
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Seems inefficient, couldn't the same thing be accomplished using local DBs rather than the world's most inefficient ledger?

AtHeartEngineer ,
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Farcaster uses decentralized hubs and multiple clients, if you want global usernames you need a global db

knightly ,
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What if we don't want global usernames? What if we're entirely satisfied with global user IDs in a DHT?

AtHeartEngineer ,
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Those are different design choices that have different trade offs, I didn't make these decisions, I'm just explaining how it is

knightly ,
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No worries, I'm merely confident that the tradeoffs necessary to employ a blockchain aren't worth the supposed benefits thereof.

AtHeartEngineer ,
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I understand, don't get me wrong, 99% of stuff in crypto is hot garbage, but having a global database that isn't controlled by any one (or even dozen) entities is pretty powerful. The 2 guys that started farcaster could quit, or get hit by a bus, or decide it's not profitable enough and pivot, but at least you have control over your profile still. If reddit was decentralized more, they wouldn't be able to shut down their APIs for 3rd party clients.

Trust me I understand the criticism of block chains, but if we want open source and the internet to thrive and not be controlled by companies, we need a global layer that is neutral.

knightly ,
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We already have that, it's called a Distributed Hash Table, no blockchain required.

AtHeartEngineer ,
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But there's no global consensus, it's not trustless, and smart contracts unlock a lot of additional composable capabilities.

knightly ,
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Trust, consensus, and access control are session-layer issues that don't need to be solved by a transport-layer protocol. Social networks deserve to be able to forget things.

AtHeartEngineer ,
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Which is a whole lot of extra engineering that is already taken care of with a blockchain. Whether social networks should forget your username/registration is a different debate.

knightly ,
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It really isn't a different debate when you're talking about putting them on the blockchain, and all that other engineering has already been done by other distributed social networks.

AtHeartEngineer ,
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Ok, we are talking in circles, you have your opinions, I have mine. If you want to talk about this over voice at any point, let me know, I don't think text is going to get anywhere, and Lemmy has a pretty strong bias against crypto (which I understand, but obviously disagree with)

dumbass , in Jack Dorsey says he quit Bluesky because it was becoming another Twitter
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Well stop trying to make twitter then you fuckin idiot.

Microw ,
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He was on the board, it's not like it was his project or anything. Imo he wanted to create a protocol, not a platform. "Improve Activitypub" like they always claimed. But then Bluesky realized that they can simply build their own platform and be Twitter 2.0

Venator ,

He should just contribute to mastodon instead.

hitmyspot ,

Its community based so his opinion could be ignored, unlike when he's on a board and his opinion was ignored.

heluecht ,
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@Microw @dumbass No. He wouldn't be happy with ActivityPub as well. He imagines a social network where no one can perform any moderation. He favours Nostr for exactly that reason. Bluesky has got moderation (just like the Fediverse) - which he dislikes.

interdimensionalmeme ,

Moderation should always be client side. Server side should not be able to interfere or even read public content

heluecht ,
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@interdimensionalmeme There are different opinions about this. And luckily people can chose networks according to their specific opinions.

marathon OP ,
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Moderation should always be client side. Server side should not be able to interfere or even read public content

Yup. I don't know if I agree re public content, but perhaps private messages should be encrypted, client side, before sending? That issue is one that bothers me about Mastodon.

marathon OP ,
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No. He wouldn’t be happy with ActivityPub as well. He imagines a social network where no one can perform any moderation. He favours Nostr for exactly that reason. Bluesky has got moderation (just like the Fediverse) - which he dislikes.

So? Like Usenet was back in the day before it became a pirate haven. Then email lists became it. LOL, People tend to ignore the extreme nut jobs regardless. I never saw any child porn on Usenet, but then I didn't go looking for it. No doubt it existed too.

Pantrygheist , in dansup: "Still working hard to ship Groups this weekend! …" - Mastodon

Did he do pixelfed on his own? That's mind boggling

sabreW4K3 OP ,
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AFAIK, he did indeed

GeekFTW , in dansup: "Pixelfed Discovery is about to get supercharged! …" - Mastodon
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I hope they also improve the ability to see your damned hashtags cause when I used Pixelfed I followed a few dozen hashtags of interest and I only ever found one spot on your account which let you see 'the list' of hashtags you followed and it only ever showed me a random selection of 3-4 of the dozens I followed. Closed my account a few days later lol.

thepaperpilot Admin , in Single-user Mastodon Instance is a Bad Idea
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I agree with this take, and recently I actually read this article that criticizes how server centric fedi is as a whole. If it's hard and expensive for a layperson to self host, but you need to have an account associated with a specific server, then you're going to end up with a system where you're under the whims of a instance owner still. Not to mention the whole pick a server step severely hurts our adoption rates.

I like the idea of having an account just being a public and private key pair. Theoretically you could make one client side, use it to sign your messages, and servers could verify the signature and distribute your post without needing to have an explicit account for you. You could send every message to a random instance and it'd still work. You wouldn't have to worry about links to the "wrong instance" and you wouldn't have to attach your identity to a instance that might shut down or be bought by a bad person. The server would be essentially irrelevant.

Jayjader ,

I align with that article 's conclusion; in fact such a "fediverse browser" is exactly what I think the fediverse needs to fully replace closed/proprietary/traditional social media.

However, some of their arguments seem off. For example, for the client to be able to choose/implement it's own sorting algorithm, it seems to me that it would need to have access to all posts. At that point, your client is just another server, with all the problems that we're originally trying to avoid.

I have the same problem with your proposal / nostr's approach: you may obtain a portable identity but all the "content" tied to that identity still has to live somewhere - someone else's server or your own.

thepaperpilot Admin ,
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Yeah, I disagree with that part as well. I think it's fine for servers to store the content and provide endpoints for specific queries/sorts, and expecting the clients to have all the posts is a tad extreme.

In this case, yes the data needs to live somewhere, but that's the nature of having data be retrievable.

vamp07 ,
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You realize you're describing Nostr right?

thepaperpilot Admin ,
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Nostr does some interesting things! What I mentioned here is actually just the identity part of what I think could be a significantly improved version of the fediverse. I have ideas on how to support subreddit style communities and decentralized moderation and things like that that make the whole idea a bit different from nostr.

vamp07 ,
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Agreed, but that is exactly how NOSTR identity works, and the reason I think NOSTR is such a great protocol.

vamp07 ,
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I suspect retrofitting a whole new identity system to Fediverse will never happen because server admins, or instance admins, will come up with all kinds of reasons why they don't like the idea of not knowing who their users are. Some of them would probably allow it, but I bet a whole bunch of them wouldn't, and we'd get into this fragmentation where some servers won't allow posts from those types of identity, etc. It seems to me much easier to take Nostr and just give it the functionality you get inside the Fediverse.

melroy , in dansup: "Still working hard to ship Groups this weekend! …" - Mastodon
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They are indeed.

heluecht , in Single-user Mastodon Instance is a Bad Idea
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@cypherpunks I've got the feeling as if the author doesn't know about the existence of relay servers. With them, also a single user instance works really fine, I think.

invisiblegorilla ,

He does mention it but says it added resource overhead he didn't want

singpolyma , in Single-user Mastodon Instance is a Bad Idea
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You mean you'll only see content from people you follow and only people who follow you will see you content? Sounds like working as intended the way things were meant to be.

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