it's designed so that you can't win except by being and doing precisely what you're told. this is because it's designed by evil people and promoted by weak people.
Historically less so. Even back in the 80s lots of girls i knew and thought of as tom boys. Where forced to dress and act girlie by there parents. Further back you go more limits there were.
"I can either run the country or I can attend to Alice, but I cannot possibly do both"
Chastised by some, loved by others, it depends a lot on the audience. I think overall though women have been given more a pass, pegged as 'willfull' or 'impetuous' where as with men it's treated as a flaw that they should be shunned for.
Think of the differing ways that daddy's girl and mamma's boy are perceived to get to what I mean.
Don't yield to sexists who think you have to be a certain way just because of your sex characteristics. Being a man solely means you've a male anatomy. Masculinity and femininity are social constructs which ever change and ever differ based on subjective perception and what not, with no actual value or benefit to anyone's life. You are perfect the way you are and the way you act is acting like yourself, which is perfect for you, even if it's not the standard for the average man. ^ ^
Masculinity and femininity are social constructs which ever change and ever differ based on subjective perception and what not, with no actual value or benefit to anyone's life.
I disagree.
Social constructs have value and utility.
In this case, masculine and feminine constructs have multi-billion dollar industries built around their perceived value, though their definitions are subjective and malleable. People put food on their table because of these social constructs. People make and write profound art and literature because of these social constructs.
Reactionaries have no underlying principles, they just react, violently in some cases. If you guide them through their own cobbled-together set of values and show the contradictions, they get angry and start yelling, because to them, they are their own moral arbiter and a challenge to their status quo is an enemy.
Gender is a Social construct and getting upset at people for being outside the bimodal spectrum conservative society expects them to be is utterly pointless, stupid, and harmful.
I once asked myself what good gender roles ever do. I have yet to find a good answer. Almost everything about it comes down to making sure certain people are classed ahead of other people.
It's actually a Russian sponsored non issue to pit us against one another. Sadly the conservatives bought into it hardstyle because they smell money and power to be made from the controversy.
In fact words all those words are a bunch of gibberish and neither the world nor reality works like that. I can just question the vague and often circular premises of that argument and we're back to square zero.
Not against the sentiment, but you're never going to get anywhere with that pseudoacademic bullshit.
Edit: hahaha just keep proving my point. You're the same as them- dogmatic fanatics with no arguments that hold up for shit.
I'm entirely for gender abolitionism, but you really need to find some better rhetoric. "Cope and seethe, your arguments are shit" won't work on most people
Sooo what if a dude just decides to act like, dress like, and call themselves like a girl? Why would they not be allowed to do that? What about the laws of the universe takes away their agency to do that?
For some the optionality of it is less important than the notion that if it's performative, you can be bad at it and therefore make yourself an acceptable target for abuse, and besides that the idea that some roles can be restricted to only those with a certain set of physical characteristics is deeply ingrained in many, be that in terms gender, career, or what have you.
Sorry, I thought you meant the letter U, as in the U People. I've been looking for them for a long time. They live underground, you see, that's where the U comes from. They're hard to find! But if you find one, it is tasty!
in case you're not joking and actually don't know: AwkwardTurtle was one of the most universally disliked reddit mods, she modded a vast number of popular servers, and often banned people on a whim. There were multiple dramas surrounding her
It's fucking stupid, they're doing the same as their detractors. It's just bullshit slinging on both sides. Of course only one side are bigoted cunts, which makes it easy to see who's on the right side, but going just by the rhetoric on "our" side is fucking sophomoric at best.
What makes a man?
Is it the woman in his arms?
Just 'cause she has big titties?
Or is it the way, he fights every day?
...No, it's probably the titties
Nothing is anything, did people forget that these are all completely nonsense words with no connection to reality? No matter how scientific and very legal very cool semantic concepts you come up with it won't change reality one fucking bit. Non binary.. Nobody gives a FUCK, it has no correlation with ANYTHING in the Universe, it's just another shit pseudophilosophical concept being shoved down everyone's throat like it's some kind of objective reality.
It's metaphysics, and "you people" (yes, YOU PEOPLE) suck at it.
The shit you find in your belly hole while navel gazing is not worth shit.
Are you transphobic as well? I'm genuinely curious. Or does transgender count as "real" in your view because it does have a far more strict definition?
I am too tbh, I think the weird thing is enbies to me are inherently a sort of political commentary through identity on gender and our relationship to it, unless I'm just wrong.
I think the whole issue is somewhat separate from trans people who mostly are just people with a mental neurodivergence/disorder called gender dysphoria that causes them anguish and is caused by their body's sex and their brain's innate sense of sex don't agree and therefore they seek medical treatments like HRT and surgeries and documentation changes to help them perceive themselves and be perceived by others as members of the target sex as much as is humanly possible.
Their political angle is to fight for access to said healthcare to be more common, available through insurance, be taken more seriously with faster wait times and be available to younger people since the effectiveness of a lot of the treatments like hormones depends on the age you start.
Conflating the two imo is kinda like commentary on attention spans relating to social media and the actual neurological disorder ADHD.
I think it's a little "exotic" to call my existence an inherent political commentary. It's certainly something that can be used to inform political debate, but I believe saying that it's inherent misses the point that our existence is only political because it's politicized
And for what it's worth, gender dysphoria is also something experienced by nonbinary folks, but it isn't a requirement of being trans or non-binary either. Some people just don't experience it and requiring it as a clinical diagnosis is part of the medicalization of our and trans people's existence as well.
I don't really know how to finish this lol, I agree with the rest of your comment. I just wanted to correct what I feel are common misconceptions.
Maybe dysphoria isn't a precondition to being trans, but I don't get how.
What I don't understand is then why transition? If you're fine as you are, why the hassle? Just as fashion/identity? Body modding for lulz? Nothing wrong with either but it's very removed from my XP.
I only transitioned because I needed to, to me GD is a curse treated with medication and surgeries I couldn't live without and that's basically all that being trans is to me. The identity of being trans is defined to me by dysphoria - mental torture associated with one's birth sex fixed by becoming the other, or as close as possible with current tech.
Also how does enby dysphoria work? Do you just feel dysphoric about a mix of male and female traits? That's wild if true.
Telling someone whose gender doesn't conform to the male/female binary view of gender that the term non-binary is a "shit pseudophilosophical concept" that "has no connection to reality" fucking sucks. Either you don't recognize gender outside of the binary, or you just think these people don't deserve a way to express and talk about their gender. Either way it's a garbage take.
You can't gatekeep being nonbinary. Not unless you're prepared to define it explicitly, which will exclude many people - and not everyone will agree with your definition either.
I said just because. Not that effeminate men aren’t capable of being nonbinary, merely that it is not sufficient (or necessary for that matter). You have to like actually not identify as entirely a man.
But it’s not my place to fight I’m very much in the binary side of transness.
OP means “don’t assume someone is non-binary because they are an effeminate man” and not “you aren’t non-binary just because you are an effeminate man”
Their intent with the message was clearly less-than-literal. They tried to clear things up in replies but failed. I think it is quite clear that they meant no one any harm, and simply failed to convey their idea properly.
The comment itself should be edited to reflect the original intent, then. People can't just say stupid and hyperbolic things and not be held socially accountable.
This is a miscommunication, you two are not really in disagreement as far as I can see.
If someone {presents as an effeminate man} AND {they say they're non-binary} => {they are non-binary}.
However if someone {presents as an effeminate man} AND does NOT {say they're non-binary}...... Then it's not sufficient.
I will do whatever it takes to make my daughter happy and if that’s wrong I don’t want to be right.
If that means being an army dude, paint my face. If that means being a princess at a tea party, paint my nails.
Whatever she decides she wants to be, I want to be there cheering her on. If you take that attitude and try to extend it to everyone you meet you make a better world.
It’s all good. I’m glad to provide that reassurance.
It breaks my heart to think about the people out there without supportive parents. I want you all to know you’re enough just how you are. You’re worth loving. I wish I could help everyone.
