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cooopsspace ,

Casually watching Windows users complain about Windows when I've been shilling Linux for 10 years strong.

aniki ,

They will down vote you rather than admit defeat, like down votes are all that matters

Sonotsugipaa ,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

They probably downvoted because sometimes your job or education strictly requires Linux-incompatible software, and you can't do anything about it;

but then again, 9 out of 10 of those people spare absolutely no effort to move their eggs out of the metaphorical Windows basket.

aniki ,

They should get mad at the people that force them to use proprietary garbage to do basic tasks. I love that I don't have to use Windows at work but I also work for a company that understands there's a job to do and the best tools aren't corporate schlock.

Sonotsugipaa ,
@Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Some do, unfortunately getting mad about them is sometimes all they can do in some cases (e.g. the OP)

spujb , (edited )

the downvotes are because the post specifically mentions Respondus, a software that does not run on Linux. the knee jerk didn’t-read-the-post response comments are not really helpful to people who don’t have a choice, not because they “refuse to admit defeat” come on now.

Broken_Monitor ,

Learning Linux is a pain in the ass. The line is where Windows becomes less and less convenient until it is more of a pain in the ass than Linux. It’s a blurry line for some people, but for me the combination of hiding settings so I need to enter the fucking registry to change them and then serving me pop up ads on my own machine crossed the line.

But fucking hell learning linux is still a pain in the ass.

cooopsspace ,

So what issues are you having? What distro?

Broken_Monitor ,

Nothing more specific than just the learning curve. Having to use the terminal, learn commands, etc. Just basic program installation requires me to look up how to do it. I’m currently learning via my steamdeck too, so cumbersome typing doesnt help matters, but I plan on installing on a desktop PC so I can experiment more easily. Picking a distro can be complicated too - I think I just want to use the same as what’s on the Steamdeck but I need to do research to figure out if I should. That research alone is a bit of the pain in the ass. I can do it, but I needed to be motivated but corporate bullshit to actually do it.

NoneYa ,

This whole rapey lingo needs to fucking die already.

No means no, corporations. Not “maybe later”, not “remind me later”…it’s a yes or a no.

Every company does it now and I’m sick to death of it. Even for the free trials like YouTube Premium. I don’t want your fucking shit. Leave me alone.

cyberpunk007 ,

Linux/FreeBSD and piracy are like the only way to mostly avoid this crap now lol.

azvasKvklenko ,

Which will make you see it anyway in any consumer product or service other than the computer OS.

cyberpunk007 ,

There's at all plenty one can do with FOSS stuff without needing to resort to that, but ya, in geraral that's true

BallsandBayonets ,

YouTube shorts are my latest annoyance. They give you an x to hide it then says we'll try again in 30 days. Shorts were a dumb idea on vine, a dumber idea on tiktok, and just about the dumbest idea on YouTube. If I wanted a sub-30 second clip I'd watch a gif.

BehindTheBarrier ,

I don't think shorts are bad, but they aren't the reason I go to YouTube at all. They are just in the way.

fadedmaster ,
@fadedmaster@sh.itjust.works avatar

I agree. Shorts are just a way for me to discover new creators when I'm on the toilet since my recommendations page sucks now and never recommends new creators to me.

Soggy ,

Collaberations and word-of-mouth are the main ways I find new creators, the algorithm sucks at understanding the finer points.

Skua ,

I wouldn't even mind them as much if they showed you who posted the short before you watched it. There are a few creators I like enough that I'd watch shorts by, but I've got no way to know it's by them

AlexWIWA ,

I like short form content too, but not on my longer form content website. And I wouldn't want ten minute videos on my movie service.

neidu2 ,

I would argue that they were a good idea on Vine. It allowed them to stay away from other platforms.

br3d ,

The other annoying thing they (esp. MS) do is pop up messages like "The whole process of saving files has changed while you were asleep [learn more][got it]" and here, when you need it, there's never an option for "remind me later". So you either have to stop what you're doing and go and read a massive blog entry that's not actually relevant to the task in hand or you need to dismiss the message and never be able to find it when it's actually relevant

cuerdo ,

We need a community!
I am really annoyed by this, it is rapey and gaslighting and abusive.
Another one they started to do is "You are almost finished with your updates", updates that i didn't request nor allow.

We need words, customized pitchforks and a leader to recover dignity!

aniki ,

Just use Linux

cuerdo ,

It is not only Windows, it is common in all apps, but i get the point

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

There's already one. it's called the linux community

THB ,

Every shopping site now wants you to sign up for some kind of discount or offer as well.

Instead of "No thanks" or "No, I don't want to subscribe", the reject button always says "No, I want to pay full price" or "No, I don't like savings" and other manipulative bs.

Makes me not want to shop there.

ryper ,

And a lot of them don't even wait for you to find something to buy, you just show up and it's "HEY DO YOU WANT A DISCOUNT?"

BigMikeInAustin ,

Yes! It really is that. Just like how so many men are taught to never take "no" as an answer from a woman, and to keep pestering her until she gives in.

AlexWIWA ,

I've also felt the "impossible to say no" lingo is awful. "remind me later" fuck off

backgroundcow ,

This whole rapey lingo needs to fucking die already.

Maybe widely name-calling this practice for what it is could help steer companies away from this disgusting pattern.

Should we start refering to pop-ups that give no option to say "no" as something like "rape-ups"?

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Graduation unlocks all the white collar career paths, and your inevitable induction to enterprise IT spyware and power tripping local admins.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

And better pay... Hopefully

cooopsspace ,

Better yet, become a power tripping admin.

Literally the only way my Windows PC is usable at work is with admin rights.

lemann ,

The policies at my work are really backwards IMO.

I have full administrative access to our prod hypervisor (including inside the VMs running on it)... but not my own dev machine 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

deweydecibel ,

Can't wait to graduate so I don't have to run Respondus and keep dealing with this crap

Well, I've got some bad news depending on what industry you're going into: the business world runs on Windows.

entropicdrift ,
@entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

And the tech world will often force you to use a macbook, as well. As if Windows wasn't locked down enough.

NoFun4You ,

God I hate not being able to change FN and ctrl on a locked down mac that work gives me , also all the other limitations

Damage ,

Yeah but it pesters your sysadmin in your stead

DingoBilly ,

Yeah this seems like a complete non-issue... All software has its problems and annoyances. Whether it's Linux, MacOS or Windows they all have different levels of shit and annoying things you have to do.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

windows is absolutely the worst of the bunch.

DingoBilly ,

Depends on the person and their usage. For many Windows is the most appropriate.

Dont be a blind fanboy and just say that there is only solution for an OS and that's Linux. If there's one OS then it will inevitably get shit itself.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

that’s not at all what my point was, go back and reread the thread.

DingoBilly ,

Your point is "Windows is the worst of the bunch".

It's pretty basic/has no value... Doesn't take a rocket scientist to disprove.

acosmichippo ,
@acosmichippo@lemmy.world avatar

again re read the context. worst of the bunch in regards to the specific topic we were discussing.

in the future consider if you think someone is making such a stupid comment, maybe you are misunderstanding something.

DingoBilly ,

I use Windows, and I honestly never see this stuff at all.

Haven't used Linux/MacOS in a long time now but from this specific perspective they all appear the same to me. Or at worst, it's easy to disable.

ConstipatedWatson ,

Wait, are universities still using Respondus?

I feel for you. It was used a lot during the beginning of the pandemic, but I thought it was dropped by now.

thepreciousboar ,

Some professors kept the online exams for convenience (theirs and for the students depending on the type of exam), but did in presence in a university class, they dropped the recording but kept the lockdown environment so you cannot cheat even with your laptop

ConstipatedWatson ,

Ah, wow. So some exams are happening online, even though classes are in person! There goes a combination I had not thought about. It is annoying to still need Respondus though, even if I understand why

KoalaUnknown ,

My professors use it for in-person tests. I just have a separate boot partition on my MacBook for it.

ConstipatedWatson ,

Interesting (and annoying). I imagined that most exams went back to the usual pen and paper or laboratory, but there were tests written on laptops and in class long before the pandemic. I had forgotten about those!

doc ,

Get WinAero Tweaker. It's a tool that applies dozens of registry and group policy settings to kill stuff like this. I ran it once ages ago and never have had to deal with stuff like your screenshot.

deweydecibel ,

They said they can't wait to graduate, so I'm assuming that means they are using a Windows computer from their school, and depending on what the CIT department's policies are like there, WinAero may not accomplish much

nogooduser ,

If the computer is owned by a company or institution they shouldn’t see this anyway. They should either be using Microsoft work or school accounts or they should be using local accounts and the admin should set the required registry settings for them.

I think that they could be using their own computer but they have to use Windows to be able to use whatever Respondus is.

ooterness ,

That would be nice. Our admins don't bother with anything like this, but they also block me from fixing things.

KingJalopy ,

Once you graduate, this will be the least of your annoyances.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

“Welcome to work. Here is your computer, your free corporate swag, and all the terrible enterprise software that will cripple your productivity.”

“When our overly aggressive security software inevitably locks you out next month, please let us know by filing a ticket at this IT portal. You will not have access to said portal once you’re locked out.”

wjrii ,

"If you are remote, please do make sure that you know the phone number of at least one friendly co-worker, because you'll need to interrupt their morning to beg them to scour the corporate intranet to find the last remaining operational phone number to contact the fully remote IT department, because we laid off your one local guy last month."

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

Your IT department has phone numbers?!

wjrii ,

Well, this was a few years ago...

SamuraiBeandog ,
@SamuraiBeandog@lemmy.world avatar

Linux, bro.

Linux.

Pilferjinx ,

Linux mostly works. It's both fun and frustrating learning how to operate it. There's only a couple things I can't get to work on Linux which is annoying, but much less annoying than having to deal with MS.

lordnikon ,

The logic I always subscribe to is, issues in Linux can be fixed maybe not by you or me but someone at some point in the future. On a long enough timeline we win. Where as it's not an issue with Windows, but a business decision to annoy you and thus can never be fixed.

Mr_Blott ,

It's been like that for 20 years though. This is the future and it still isn't ready

cooopsspace ,

I've been daily driving it for 10 years, what's the problem with it?

aniki ,

I haven't used windows for 15 years, minimum

Mr_Blott ,

Because you've been trying to find drivers that work 😂😂

metaldream ,

It's so much better than it used to be though. There's been a lot of real progress and there's more interest than ever in creating a viable Linux consumer-grade desktop among foss developers and even corporations.

I'll grant you it's definitely not there yet for non-techies. But I do think we'll get there eventually and I wouldn't have said that 5 years ago.

lordnikon ,

honestly I think it's 95% there and would get that last 4% if you could go to a retail store and just buy one. the perception would be enough to get hardware and software vendors to start supporting it in a very short time. kinda like how cyberpunk has a steam deck present.

Would it be over night? No but real change is never quick. Perception has to change before the change happens. Why do you think MS and other Software vendors pays so much money to PC manufacturers to stay on Windows.

Remember with a windows PC purchase and bloatware. You're a customer and a product, your desktop is a billboard. So it's against their interest to give you agency in what OS you use.

Jako301 ,

Most Windows issues and annoyances can be fixed pretty easily with registry tweaks. This specific issue requires you to go trough the major effort of changing a single 0 to a 2.

As long as its still easier to completely debloat windows instead of debugging Linux, your so called win is still far away.

HakFoo ,

And the demolition plans are in a disused washroom in the basement behind a sign that says "beware of the leopard." That's an absurd justification.

Normal users are not going to root around in the registry and twiddle things to mske the OS treat them with respect. Most of them won't search for it, and many of those that do won't have the skills to deploy a registry hack or identify legit info instead of malware or pranks.

The right answer is a third button-- "No, forever." We all know it's the right answer; I'm sure even Microsoft has focus group data. It doesn't exist because someone in Redmond's bonus is tied to how many people are cowed into signing up for OneDtive.

I've got a CS degree and 15 years of dev experience, and have come to the conclusion that you can't negotiate in good faith with Windows anymore. It is going to take you down whichever hellpath their biz-dev team demands, and any attempts to fight it are going to be undermined and replaced with a new set of hacks or a differeny gauntlet of dark patterns for a few months later.

Maybe LTSC and Enterprise versions are a bit better, where they might have to preserve the goodwill of big dollar corporate customers instead of chasing some trifling revenue hack, but do we as ordinary users on home/pro licenses not deserve the same respect? And even there, don't those business customers have to spend undue effort crafting and deploying policies to cram the endless stream of spam back in the box?

wisplike_sustainer ,

Normal users are not going to root around in the registry and twiddle things to mske the OS treat them with respect.

I absolutely agree with you, and this statement is absurd, given the context.

Recently I decided to try out gaming with linux. What was planned to be a weekend project turned into multiweek project, and it included a lot of "rooting around" to get things working the way I wanted them to. Maybe it's linux treating me with respect, when I have to start planning for hibernation when I'm partitioning the drive. Maybe it isn't.

(Aside, Valve has done great work with proton. It's time to reconsider, if games are keeping you from switching over.)

macji ,

What distribution did you try to use? Some of them are steeper to learn than others.

wisplike_sustainer ,

For background, my first linux was debian in late 90's. I went through gentoo to ubuntu, until I got mac for work about a decade ago. By then my home rig was single booting windows.

So, given my history with debian, I started with ubuntu, only to realize I don't like its current state. Next up was pop_os, because it's heavily recommended for gaming. After some time I came to conclusion, that everything I know about linux on desktop is badly outdated, so I might as well go heavy and try arch. I chickened out, though, and went with manjaro. It's actually quite nice, save for that hibernation.

macji ,

Well, as you noticed a lot has changed since Debian in the 90s. While Manjaro has a lot of problems, and while I've found I need to reinstall it every 6 months or so because I'm not very l33t, it's still honestly very easy and very straightforward, and definitely better than Arch if you don't know what you're doing.

If you approach Manjaro with a plan for regularly backing up your data, you can reinstall it with ease whenever you need to, and the reinstallation will be fast and easy. It works out of the box with Steam, and it doesn't ask you to pay close attention to it's backend while not having the problems you noticed with Ubuntu, and best of all it's free and it's not Windows. I run Manjaro and I'm pretty happy with it overall, when though I'm sure I'd be better served with Arch if I ever took the time to really figure it out properly. Good luck, I hope whatever you pick works out well for you.

aniki ,

Sorry you're nvidia card is a nightmare because of Nvidia, not open source efforts

wisplike_sustainer ,

Surprisingly enough, nvidia drivers turned out to be the easy part.

aniki ,

Doesn't sound like it. Just because it installed correctly doesn't mean its well functioning, compliant standard, and able to function both performant and with stability. Also what does drive partitioning have to do with sleep/hibernation?

wisplike_sustainer , (edited )

Performance and stability seems to be at the same level it was under windows 10/11. Can't say nothing about standard compliance, nor do I really care in the end.

I'm kinda sure I wasn't missing functionality, either. Then again, my card is old GTX, so DLSS not working is not because of drivers.

ETA: Hibernation requires swap space. Yes, swap file is viable alternative to partition, but I already had a swap partition, albeit too small. Even with partitioning aside, enabling hibernation is tedious compared to windows, where it's literally ten clicks, five with keyboard and five with mouse. And on linux it requires a lot of "rooting around".

aniki ,

Windows is way more shitty than Linux is difficult to learn, because it isn't. You just need to understand how computers actually work to be able to use Linux.

jkrtn ,

"Simply find the registry value and know to change it from 0 to 2 to turn off this specific recurring ad on your own machine." No thanks, I can actually just begin adless and remain adless with one simple trick.

NoFun4You ,

Going outside,,?

jkrtn ,

Oh, no thank you. The framerate is great but the character editor is tedious and complicated so my current save is a little gremlin.

NoFun4You ,

Oh 🦌

lordnikon ,

they always leave off that registry change gets reverted on the next update and it's now a new change you have to do to turn off the new ad showing up. I also don't need to change my country location to uninstall a built in browser. Also do you think the registry is just something everyone knows how to use. It's cryptic as hell and I know they are following a guide on some site. At least when i change a config file there are comments above the change most of the time not cryptic dword codes.

jkrtn ,

I was about to object that config files are also cryptic but you have a hell of a point that they contain comments. They are also usually are set up in a way to retain the contents across distro updates.

lordnikon ,

yep by no means are they perfect but they are not hostile and that's fine by me.

brbposting ,

The Arch of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.

-Dr. Martin Linux King

ballskicker ,

It's both fun and frustrating learning how to operate it.

This should be emblazoned somewhere in the initial Linux setup. I'm not in tech by trade, just a hobbyist nerd, and playing with Linux is like if a soulslike game were an OS. I had a terrible time figuring out how to get both monitors to work but eventually did and that felt like a huge win when it finally happened. Had an equally bad time trying to figure out how to install some game software but finally got that sorted and it felt like another big victory.
But I still dual boot for now because some days I'm just not ready for the heartburn of dealing with my own ignorance in Linux

Dwayne_Elizondo_Mountain_Dew_Camacho ,

For me, Linux recreates the exhilaration of 1990s MsDOS: will this setting, that I really don't understand, make my game work or just render my whole system unusable?

I really want to play this awesome new game called Syndicate...

What's the worst that can happen? Reformat for a 4th time this week?

y/n?

lordnikon ,

I agree but with timeshift im able to be back up and running in 5 mins tops so I take more risks.

UnityDevice ,

Linux and a windows virtual machine with a dedicated nvme hard drive and GPU using PCI pass-through. Windows is boxed in but easily accessed when you need it, and the performance is 95% of native, or more. And because of the dedicated hard drive, you can still dual-boot it like normal if you want.

Also, I recommend installing windows 10 enterprise in the VM, minimal bloat.

NoFun4You ,

Nawh

HowManyNimons ,

https://lemmy.cafe/post/3790518

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

At some point Lemmy is going to track me down and murder me because I’m only running Linux on home automation and media servers, not my daily drivers.

snazzy0933 ,

Scumbag design: cave in now or get pestered again in a few days

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein ,

"It's important we give our users a choice."

blind3rdeye ,

"... and then just keep giving them that same choice over and over again for as long as it takes for them to finally do what we want."

cooopsspace ,

The floggings will continue until morale improves.

metaldream ,

Literal malware techniques. MS learned well from all the viruses that infected Windows in the 2000s

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