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LWD ,

Based on that one Senate hearing, it looks like big companies like Facebook, Discord and Twitter are aiming for the maximum percent of false positives and false negatives when it comes to CSAM.

The only thing I know about that screenshot is that it used to say "show results anyway" which is probably worse in most cases

taanegl ,

"LOOK!! WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING!!! ALL OUR USERS ARE NOT PDF FILES!"

Uranium3006 ,
@Uranium3006@kbin.social avatar

with any luck this will destroy them and funnel disgruntled users our way, where the servers are too numerous to ever fully take down and many aren't even US based anyways

LWD ,

Unfortunately, I don't think so. Most of the politicians were virtue signaling, asking questions that were impossible and demanding timetables that they weren't going to get anyway. One woman actually had some half decent data prepared, but I don't think anybody else was really taking it seriously.

Now if there was some legislation passed, specifically stuff that wasn't KOSA, that would be something else. KOSA seems prepped to simply destroy free speech on the internet, and it would mostly harm smaller social media networks that don't have lawyers and around-the-clock moderators to police every single comment and post.

bionicjoey ,

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/screenshot.png

pipariturbiini ,
@pipariturbiini@sopuli.xyz avatar

16% is pretty good. the ones at three to one percent are the weirdos.

bionicjoey ,

I really hate and avoid when my phone switches into battery saver at 15%, so in my mind 16% is like 1%

Omega_Haxors ,

My skin crawls if it goes below 30%.

SheeEttin ,

You ever seen a phone at 0%?

TheAnonymouseJoker ,

Yes. I had that, when my ancient smartphone's battery used to struggle having 45 minutes of battery life per charge.

where_am_i ,

To prolong your battery's lifespan you shouldn't let it drain below 20%.

HumanPerson ,

Also charging it fully but I don't know how important that one is.

Plopp ,

Very important. Keep it between 20-80 is a good idea. I differs between different battery chemistries though.

where_am_i ,

Just as important. And most phones these days have a setting to prevent it from charging to 100%. E.g. I set mine to stop at 90%.

HumanPerson ,

I run grapheneos which doesn't have that. I think if I get a smart plug I could use an automation in Home Assistant to turn the charger off.

fkn ,

For lithium batteries (phone batteries) it's actually more important than draining to 0. Many studies indicate that the average phone battery should last several thousand cycles while only losing 5-10% of total capacity provided it is never charged above 80%. Minimum % (even down to 0%) and charge rate below 70% is also unrestricted.

The tl;dr is that everytime you charge to 100% is the same as 50-100 charges to 80%. Draining a lithium chemistry battery to 0 isn't an issue as long as you don't leave it in a discharged state (immediately charging).

VindictiveJudge ,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

Don't phone battery indicators lie to you now so that 0% displayed is actually about 20% specifically because of this?

Album ,
@Album@lemmy.ca avatar

Yes and 100% isn't 100%

People and their batteries though... It's a futile obsession for some. It doesn't matter how much science or logic you throw at them there's always something.

Like how fast charging hasn't for some time done like a full max rate for the entire time to keep heat within tolerances but still some people think doing the work themselves is somehow better thermal management than modern battery controllers to the point they think it will make a material difference.

Trainguyrom ,

For a phone, you're probably going to keep it for less than 5 years, so babying the battery really isn't worthwhile since the battery will probably outlast how long you keep your phone for if you just charge overnight every night or fully charge it daily

pingveno ,

Though some of the phone makers are finally getting the message that some of us want to keep a hold of our expensive phones for a long while. My new Pixel 8 has 7 years of security updates, which should work fine for my purposes. I'll probably replace the battery somewhere in there, though.

shutz ,

On my Pixel 1, I wasn't careful about the battery, regularly draining it fully and then charging it to 100% (and leaving it on the charger for extended periods) and after 18 months, I was already looking into getting the battery replaced due to greatly reduced capacity.

At a friend's suggestion, I installed Accubattery which alerts me whenever the battery is about to go outside the 20-80% window. I almost always unplug from the charger when I get to 80%. That second battery on the Pixel 1 kept most of its capacity for 4 years. Now my mom has that phone, with the same battery, and even though the capacity went down a bit since, it's more than enough for her needs still.

Hildegarde ,

Here's a hot tip. If you're on android, open the developer settings and turn on "demo mode" before taking screenshots. It makes the battery and signal display as 100% so you don't get judged by internet commenters who don't go outside.

Neon ,

so you don’t get judged by internet commenters who don’t go outside.

I also go outside. I just stop using my Phone at 30% to preserve Battery. That's why I judge these People. Turn it off and preserve the Battery.

Serinus ,

Are you trapped in the wilderness? If you've been abducted by hyenas, hoot like an owl twice.

Neon ,

hoot hoot wolves hoot hoot not hyenas

Dumbkid ,
@Dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

My phone is constantly either dead or under 40%

Neon ,

your cue to stop using it as soon as it drops to 30%

TheAnonymouseJoker ,

Please. Go touch grass.

stratosfear ,

Or you click that little edit button and crop the top of the image completely off.

aldalire ,

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/b17fd394-4d89-4fcb-a164-b84e33a2b2a3.jpeg

Ignorance is bliss

AtariDump ,

Attribution since poster forgot.

https://xkcd.com/1373/

bionicjoey ,

I literally used the embed link from XKCD's website

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted ,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

That's just for embedding the image, not citing. If it's not clickable by the end user, then an embed link is not a source, merely a delivery method.

PumaStoleMyBluff ,

That's a problem with your client, not the link

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted ,
@EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Perhaps. Regardless, if it's a limitation that most people's clients face, then it is not a reliable method of attribution. Either way, most people just put the source in the title or comment. It's more reliable. ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯

dubyakay ,

I have no way of seeing that on my client. Do you see that information on your's?

bionicjoey ,

Not directly on the rendered comment, but if you view markdown for my comment you can see the link to the source.

dubyakay ,

No such option sadly.

https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/5f8f5b07-efc3-4a81-b85a-1edbbda3a665.png

Edit: select text does it.

Squizzy ,

I reported loads of content on Instagram, genuinely creepy accounts of "athletic teens" and they all got rejected.

I got caught in a horrible recommendations loop because I'd like family photos of running and gymnastics for my nieces and cousins.

TheAnonymouseJoker , (edited )

This is the key reason why I do not have Instagram. People who call Tiktok "creepy" I think are genuinely just Western xenophobes that try to hide how disgusting Instagram and Snapchat are... and I have never used Tiktok other than links I receive from friends.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Honestly they are all bad

TheAnonymouseJoker ,

Yes but one can be less bad than the others. Considering TikTok is the only large (non-Western) social media today that gives a voice to Palestinians being actually genocided (unlike a lot of fake genocide narratives West manufactures), that makes a clear humane distinction. Facebook has documents that tell they want to actively target kids for social media consumption, and also propel rightwing politics a lot.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Yeah I disagree. Ticktok content is way to short to have any meaningful impact. Its just dopamine over and over.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,

...and Vines (USA) was the original social media that introduced this format, if you are old enough to remember 6 second clips post Y2K. TikTok merely introduced an unrivaled recommendation algorithm on top of it, similar to what Spotify has for music streaming that gets a lot of praise.

There are privacy problems with most of them, but atleast I am able to check a TikTok link in browser that friends send me, without it ever harassing me to create account to "view more content" and get surveilled forever.

The dopamine conversation is a very long one. I have a way too simple and disconnected life. Recommend Huberman's podcast on dopamine if you want to dive into the biochemistry.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Ah, I didn't realize you could use Ticktok in the browser. Anyway I personally won't use such platforms as they are way to addicting for me.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,

I do not use it either, only open links friends send me occasionally. Being able to do that accountless in browser is great. Never bothered to make an account or install it.

I find all the social medias and most technology incredibly unhealthy and control it a lot. Even go as far as desaturating and making my screens anti-glare and brightness in accordance with room lighting. Never even purchased an AMOLED screen device due to its harmful effects on vision.

AVincentInSpace ,

Yeah and nobody in their right mind would ever try to use Vine for journalism. I'm confused why you think Tiktok is different.

TheAnonymouseJoker ,

If you would have learnt anything in the past decade of social media, it is that these social media companies evolve within months. Telegram became a thing in 2013, Discord in 2015 and TikTok in 2016.

Vines would have simply increased the limit to 10-15 seconds and it would suddenly be used for journalism. TikTok was originally only 3 (not 30) seconds, now it has a varied time limit upto 10 minutes. Instagram and YouTube copied the TikTok/Vines format. Back then, Instagram also copied Snapchat's Stories.

Trainguyrom ,

got caught in a horrible recommendations loop because I’d like family photos of running and gymnastics for my nieces and cousins.

I never reach that point on Facebook. I scroll for about 5 posts to see what my family and friends might be up to and get too frustrated with unmoderated spam and report it as spam and close the tab and move on

forgotmylastusername ,

One the biggest problems with the internet today is bad actors know how to manipulate or dodge the content moderation to avoid punitive consequences. The big social platforms are moderated by the most naive people in the world. It's either that or willful negligence. Has to be. There's just no way these tech bros who spent their lives deep in internet culture are so clueless about how to content moderate.

Jknaraa ,

The thing is that words can have a very broad range of meaning depending on who uses them and how (among many other factors), but you can't accurately code all of that into a form that computers can understand. Even ignoring bad actors it makes certain things very difficult, like if you ever want to search for something that just happens to share words with something completely different which is very popular.

blazeknave ,

I know them. I worked in this industry. They're not naive. What basis do you have for these comments?

I think you're conflating with business executives running said social and gaming companies. Stop calling them techbros. Meta is not a tech startup. They're a transnational corporation. They have capitalist execs running the companies.

z00s ,

Musk

KeenFlame ,

Indie megacorp buying their first nation just a startup

Fudoshin ,
@Fudoshin@feddit.uk avatar

bad actors know how to manipulate or dodge the content moderation to avoid punitive consequences.

People have been doing that since the dawn of the internet. People on my old forum in the 90s tried to circumvent profanity filters on phpBB.

Even now you can get round Lemmy.World filters against "fag-got" by adding a hyphen in it.

Nothing new under the sun.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Yeah I think this applies to the fediverse as well.

dRLY ,
@dRLY@lemmy.ml avatar

Auto-moderation is both lazy and is only going to get worse. Not saying there isn't some value on things being hard-banned (like very specific spam like shit that just keeps responding to everything with the same thing non-stop). But these mega outlets/sites want to just use full automation to ban shit without any human interactions. At least unless you or another corp has connections on the inside to get a person or people to fix it. Just like how they make it so fucking hard to ever reach a person when calling (or trying to even find) a support line.

This automated shit just blacklists more and more shit and can completely fuck over people that use those sites for income (and they even can't reach a person when their income is cut off for false reasons and don't get back-pay for the period of a strike/ban). The bad guys will always just keep moving to a new word or phrase as the old ones get banned. So we as users are actually losing words and phrases and the actual shit is just on to the next one without issues.

phx ,

It's dumb, but it's also possible that a combination of those terms hads been adopted by some group distributing CSAM.

At one point, "cheese pizza" was a term they apparently used on YouTube videos etc due to it having the same abbreviation as CP (Child Pornography).

Sick fucks ruining everything for everyone

dRLY ,
@dRLY@lemmy.ml avatar

I agree with you is the TL;DR, and the rest is just my mad ranting opinions about companies being allowed to just auto-censor us. So feel free to completely ignore the rest. lol.

It is like just banning words and phrases just because bad people use them has just become the norm. I really really can't stand the way that channels on YT constantly have to self-censor basically everything (even if the video is just reporting on or trying to explain bad shit that is or has happened). And it never seems to actually stop the actual issues from happening. Just means the bad people just move on to a new word or phrase that is then itself banned. It isn't about actually stopping fucked-up shit from happening. It is just about making sure advertisers and other sources of money don't throw a fit.

We always hear about how places like China are bad in-part for censoring words and speech. But in the US and other western nations we pretend we are allowed to freely speak uncensored. We have always had censoring of speech, it is just that the real rulers of the country are allowed to do it instead. Keeps the government's hands free from legally being the enforcers of doing it to us. Shit like CP is fucked, and it should be handled for what it is, but allowing for-profit companies and especially their algorithms/AI to decide what we can and can't say or search for without any level of human interactions that very much lead to false bans is also fucked.

It is waaaay too easy for all the mega corps to completely take down channels and block creators from revenue of their own work just completely automated. But the accused channel can't ever get a real person to both get clear understanding of what and who is attacking them, and to explain why their strike/bans aren't valid. I have heard that even channels that have gotten written/legal permission from a big studio to use a clip of music or segment from video (music being the worst) will STILL catch automated strikes for copyright violations.

We don't need actual government censors, because the mega corps with all the money are allowed to do it for them. We have rights but they don't really matter if they can say a private company or org made up of people from various mega corps are allowed to do it for them.

Schadrach ,

At one point, "cheese pizza" was a term they apparently used on YouTube videos etc due to it having the same abbreviation as CP (Child Pornography).

This in turn was why the Podesta emails led to the whole pizza gate thing - there were a bunch of emails with weird phrasings like going to do cheese pizza for a couple of hours that just aren't how people talk or write and so internet weirdos thought it was pedo code and then it kinda went insane from there.

Lath ,

That's what you get for all the teabagging you've been doing..

rawrthundercats ,

How do we know they didn't type something more explicit to get the result and just change what's in the search bar? Has anyone verified this?

7heo OP ,

I actually don't know, I'm not sure it is possible (I never used Instagram, the search might be auto-submitting for all I know) but intentionally flagging yourself as potential child abuser, for clout, is a bit extreme...

yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

just did it, it's real.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/975da1a1-015f-463d-924f-65fe8ed1cb32.png

rawrthundercats ,

Nutty thank you for putting yourself on the list for science.

baatliwala ,

Barely 2 years ago I noticed that people were posting porn on Insta, and it was publicly visible just because they tagged as . I don't think this is possible now, but basically corporations are dumb and people posting disallowed content can be creative as hell.

archonet ,

ah yes, cumlauts

Trainguyrom ,

basically corporations are dumb and people posting disallowed content can be creative as hell.

I generally get the feeling with this kind of thing that it's not incompetence but either an unwillingness to act quickly or an inability to

IzzyScissor ,

Remember, searching for "halo" is banned because it could potentially be linked to pedophilia, but editing a video of the president to look like a pedophile is fine because "it wasnt done with AI."

AVincentInSpace ,

OOTL -- what happened there?

DAMunzy ,

Biden was edited to look like he was groping his granddaughter for an extended amount of time instead of quickly putting a pin above her breast. It was posted to Facebook/Instagram/Meta. AI wasn't used.

Darkassassin07 ,
@Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca avatar

You missed the part where Meta reviewed it and didn't remove it because it wasn't done with AI. Created manually so it's fine.

DAMunzy ,

True enough! Even worse

SPRUNT ,

Oh? I assumed the word "halo" was banned due to its association with the church and their link to pedophilia.

nicetriangle ,

I had a post of mine flagged for multiple days on there because it had an illustration of a woman in a full length wool coat completely covering her and not in any way sexual. Shit is so stupid

AbouBenAdhem ,

Well, the Spartans were pederasts...

cygnus ,
@cygnus@lemmy.ca avatar

Your post has been banned under the provisions of the "it's bad to throw disabled babies off a cliff act".

Impound4017 ,

Yet another thing that woke moralists took from us smh

makeasnek ,
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

We beat KOSA before, we can beat it again. Contacting your reps matters. Voting matters, especially in primaries and locals. So does being active politically in other ways.

https://www.fightforthefuture.org/

LucidBoi ,
@LucidBoi@lemmy.world avatar

I'm not familiar with American stuff, what is KOSA?

Astronautical ,

It's the "Kids Online Safety Act". Basically it's using the old "think of the children!" move, but in reality conservatives are trying to push anything queer back into the dark.

LucidBoi ,
@LucidBoi@lemmy.world avatar

Think of the children! Let us scan all of your images, files and messages! For the sake of children of course! Nothing suspicious here...

ArmokGoB ,

Just like we beat them trying to take net neutrality, right?

makeasnek ,
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

Do you have to pay comcast extra to stream netflix? No? Net neutrality still exists.

brygphilomena ,

This is a bad take. The public wasn't the one that would need to pay Comcast, they would have charged Netflix.

makeasnek ,
@makeasnek@lemmy.ml avatar

A total breakdown in net neutrality could have very well had that result.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

The spartans were children at one point

OozingPositron ,
@OozingPositron@feddit.cl avatar

https://youtu.be/RybNI0KB1bg

Omega_Haxors ,

Leave it to reddit to "accidentally" stumble across a CSAM warning.

AVincentInSpace ,

Did it even occur to you that this could be a false positive?

Also you do realize this isn't Reddit?

Omega_Haxors ,

It's sourced as coming from a reddit thread in the body.

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