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Postreader2814 ,

That post reminded me that lemmee exists. Accounts didn't work that great when I first got here but I made one today and got verified. Logged out of Reddit for the last time and replaced my comments. Eff that place right in it's a-hole. Good riddance.

aesthelete ,

Went ahead and started running redacted on my old account.

Nothing says we're just another brick in the wall like writing posts that wind up being used to train a plagiaristic corporate unemployment machine.

platypus_plumba ,

What prevents people from training a model with Lemmy's data?

Duamerthrax ,

Nothing, but the lemmy admins can't be the only one's profiting from it. Reddit killed 3rd apps and academic research so they could be the sole profiteers of the user data.

Morcyphr ,

Who cares? Fuck reddit. Half the content is bots anyway. So, bots stealing content to train AI to make content, which the bots will steal and repost. Circle of death for reddit. Good luck with that IPO.

Dkarma ,

AI training on bot content? What could go wrong??

bbkpr ,

Good, so let's train crappy AI on posts by crappier AI, which was trained by posts from even crappier AI before it.

Bleach7297 ,
@Bleach7297@lemmy.ca avatar

If you aren't the customer, you are the product. Congrats on being monetized and kinda sorta immortalized as a series of weights.

DudeImMacGyver ,

I am now a poorly copied and totally underwhelming digital god! MUAHAHAHA-oh wait...

COASTER1921 ,

If they hadn't applied the same charges to legitimate 3rd party applications they could still do this and have avoided the massive community backlash.

Considering their horrible track record with advertising and selling Reddit premium this should be the single best way for them to finally monetize their platform. They didn't need to destroy what little credibility they had remaining to their users to get to this point, but for whatever reason they did.

Fake4000 OP ,

What I don’t understand is that they had the option of providing a free service to all third party apps provided there was no commercial use.

They could have easily asked for a cut from any AI company using their data for training.

COASTER1921 ,

Not only did they have the option, as I understand it the API was even configured as such since all requests from an app shared the same API key. They're basically whitelisting like this now but only for the accessibility oriented 3rd party apps.

red_pigeon ,

I stopped using reddit after they dropped the bomb on the devs and I'm not a fan of the company.

I understand the hatred towards them, but this is definitely expected from a company like reddit, and any other social media for that matter. As users we must be aware that we don't own the content in their platform.

I wouldn't be surprised if the same story comes from Instagram tomorrow, though I suppose there will be a bigger outcry then.

Usul_00_ ,

Don't know if it was against usage terms, but I have been able to get chatgpt answers written 'in the style of' various subreddits since the initial release (or perhaps the second release)

jivandabeast ,

Honestly over the last year since the great migration, the discussions on lemmy have really grown and matured to the point where i don't really see the value of reddit anymore

Kedly ,

For me there's still value in the niche communities like r/rimworld and the like, but for everything else I'm firmly on Lemmy now

vladmech ,

The only use I have for Reddit anymore is for super niche information. For example we were planning to go to Six Flags Discovery Kingdom today but it's going to rain this afternoon. I checked their site and it said they were open 11-6, my BIL checked their app and at 11:30 it said they were currently closed. Found a Reddit post from someone confirming the park was closed for the weekend, and we didn't waste a trip up. (as an extra annoying aside, apparently this information was posted on Six Flag's Instagram page, because expecting a huge company to maintain a website is I guess just too much when they can offload it to social media.)

crimroy ,

The real value of reddit for me lies in its cache of information contained in answers to questions from over the years. Whenever I'm looking online for a solution to a problem I'm trying to solve I'll eventually add "reddit" to the search and I almost always find the answer that way.

Embarrassingskidmark ,

If they build an AI based on reddit content it will be the devil incarnate.

valkyre09 ,

Can’t wait to hear the fan fiction the AI bot generates

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

A devil incarnate that makes a lot of puns.

neptune ,

This

Pinecone ,

If you thought gpt4 was confidently incorrect wait until you see this next ai.

erAck ,
@erAck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

It will get trained on some comment posts.

Let reddit die. Join Lemmy or /kbin. https://join-lemmy.org/ https://kbin.pub/

Psythik ,

Um, we're already here. You should be posting this on reddit instead.

erAck ,
@erAck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I did that some months ago already, changed all my comment posts.

mtchristo ,

I bet they can scrape Lemmy content for free then. There are no legal mechanisms to prevent them from doing so.

FiskFisk33 ,

I rather my data I've chosen to make public is free and accessible to all, than it being sold to the highest bidder.

baseless_discourse , (edited )

With that being said, I am not pleased that my content is packaged into a proprietary AI, and sold for money.

I think there are ways to opt-out of AI collection, at least for big companies. I wonder if it is implemented in Lemmy-UI and/or terms and conditions.

General_Effort ,

You opt-out so that there is less free training data, making Reddit's data all the more valuable. I'm sure spez will be thankful.

FiskFisk33 ,

on the other hand, if there's troves of free data, that takes the upper hand from the companies that can afford paying for it, and gives open source a much better chance at staying competitive.

Wappen ,

Hm but don't you automatically own the stuff you create yourself, as long as you don't consent to giving it away? I don't know the terms and conditions of my Lemmy instance though.

dgmib ,

When was the last time anyone read the T&Cs of a social media website?

They basically all have a clause to the effect that you grant them a permanent, irrevocable license do whatever they want with anything you post.

You might still own the copyright to any content you produce, but by posting you’re granting them permission to do basically anything with it, including reselling it.

Wappen ,

Yeah I know but what about Lemmy instances?

SpaceCowboy ,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Well there's copyright law. There's already lawsuits happening so we'll have to see how this shakes out.

But even if the AI companies lose the lawsuits, I think it's likely they'll still have access to content where the T&C of the site says they're allowed to sell the data.

Trollception ,

Yes but i think reddit is many times more valuable than Lemmy. I just haven't found the same level of very specific subreddits that have lots and lots of activity. Most of the traffic here is memes, politics, news and Linux lovin. On reddit if I needed to find a community about my local town it's no problem and there are tens or hundreds of daily posts. The same community does exist on Lemmy but the last post was 6 months ago.

Link ,

I completely agree. There are lots of communities on Reddit that are missing on Lemmy. Have you tried posting your community? It might entice people to participate!

13esq ,

If you're not paying for the product, you are the product.

WhatAmLemmy ,

And even when you pay for the product, you are the product, because capitalism requires infinite growth from a finite system.

axo ,

I barely post on reddit, just lurk but this made me finally sign up for an account here.

Fake4000 OP ,

Welcome to lemmy.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

Hey, welcome! It's pretty nice

gapbetweenus ,

If user content belongs to the service provider, one would think that they are responsible for it.

v4ld1z , (edited )
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

I just Googled my reddit handle and it's appalling that I found websites on the internet that archived a bunch of my posts on there including pictures I posted. I'm not sure what I expected, but it's still kinda annoying. Even though I deleted my comments after editing them and deleting my entire account

Lojcs ,

That's been an issue for a long time. Fake "blogs" made of scraped reddit posts.

fne8w2ah ,

That's why spez the hurensohn "refreshed" the T&Cs very recently.

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