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ME5SENGER_24 ,

FUCK REDDIT! FUCK U/SPEZ! The Red-exit shall endure, VIVA LA LEMMY!!

bobs_monkey ,

Just because the coffee is free doesn't mean you have to drink the entire carafe

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

Yes it does. I'll get bullet-time superpowers eventually, just watch...

bobs_monkey ,

que heart attack

DragonTypeWyvern ,

You get nerve damage and seizures before a heart attack unless you have a pre-existing condition.

Lemminary ,

^Hush, with the facts. The small print requires you to suspend some belief for the jokes to work. Don't blow it!^

Lemminary ,

¿Qué?

bobs_monkey ,

Queue*

Lemminary ,

🤗

MaggiWuerze ,

Cue

bobs_monkey ,

That's the bugger

victorz ,

I remember that episode of Futurama

prex ,

https://aussie.zone/pictrs/image/5cf7a58b-af03-40a3-a710-b6c7cb5fad3b.jpeg

victorz ,

Hypnotoad getting ready for work

ahriboy ,
@ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

And FUCK XITTER. Bluesky and Mastodon are waving!

13esq ,

If you're not paying for the product, you are the product.

WhatAmLemmy ,

And even when you pay for the product, you are the product, because capitalism requires infinite growth from a finite system.

bbkpr ,

Good, so let's train crappy AI on posts by crappier AI, which was trained by posts from even crappier AI before it.

db2 ,

Greedy little pigboy Steve couldn't resist. Every day they seem to do something that reaffirms leaving was the best plan.

PrincessLeiasCat ,

And that’s why I edited+deleted all of mine.

Wolpertinger ,
@Wolpertinger@sh.itjust.works avatar

So I need to run any comments I make to reddit by chatgpt before posting, it seems. I heard ai training ai leads to a poisoned data set.

General_Effort ,

Yeah, I heard that, too. Consider that people who don't like tech may not have very reliable knowledge of tech. Regardless, OAI would appreciate your business.

fishbone ,

For text, AI training AI wouldn't be all that great for giving data sets a little poison ivy rubdown, because at the end of the day, the message is still moderated by a non bot. I think a better way would be to write more unconventionally, but heavily contextual so that if specifics texts are ripped and tossed into the bot blender, it'll make no sense without the context alongside it.

Slang, edge case wording, and verbing non verbs would likely do a lot of heavy lifting in that department.

addie ,
@addie@feddit.uk avatar

Using LLMs for corporate communications - automatically-generated complaint responses, and the like - usually has swearing disabled, so if you want to fuck up their shit, be sure to express yourself with as many fucking swears as possible. Let's get that shit into those cunt's language models ASAP.

Everythingispenguins ,

I am willing to bet the most active subreddits that are not too bot infested are the NSFW ones. Reddit AI is going to be creepy and horny.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

AI trainers do a lot of work filtering and reformatting the training data. Often that's the most expensive part. There's a lot of synthetic data used these days too, reprocessed by other AIs.

Landmammals ,

The next move is to use AI to generate posts and comments

Fake4000 OP ,

I honestly think that has been happening with all these publications websites.

bigMouthCommie ,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

spez says that's how he got reddit off the ground in the first place: faking content/engagement (well, genuinely engaging with his account(s?), but essentially shouting into the void and hoping enough people heard and wanted to stick around.

with a RedditUserBot trained on reddit users, you might be able to fake another decade of growth.

wise_pancake ,

We should have been posting factually incorrect information instead of deleting posts this whole time.

Although I think Reddit does a good job paying factually incorrect information on its own.

Bleach7297 ,
@Bleach7297@lemmy.ca avatar

If you aren't the customer, you are the product. Congrats on being monetized and kinda sorta immortalized as a series of weights.

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

I am now a poorly copied and totally underwhelming digital god! MUAHAHAHA-oh wait...

gapbetweenus ,

If user content belongs to the service provider, one would think that they are responsible for it.

fne8w2ah ,

That's why spez the hurensohn "refreshed" the T&Cs very recently.

NigelFrobisher ,

Just going to replace all my old posts with AI generated poison data.

MxM111 ,

I don’t mind to give my content for AI training. But with my approval and for free.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

You can't put conditions on it retroactively. You already published.

MxM111 ,

I am not trying to do that retroactively.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

"But with my approval and for free" are new conditions that weren't present when you originally published it on Reddit.

MxM111 ,

Yes, but I did not mean retroactively. Nor did I mean only on Reddit, by the way. However, making money from already published content is not what I have consented when I joined Reddit like 15 years ago.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

From the current Reddit User Agreement:

You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content:

When Your Content is created with or submitted to the Services, you grant us a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, transferable, and sublicensable license to use, copy, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works of, distribute, store, perform, and display Your Content and any name, username, voice, or likeness provided in connection with Your Content in all media formats and channels now known or later developed anywhere in the world. This license includes the right for us to make Your Content available for syndication, broadcast, distribution, or publication by other companies, organizations, or individuals who partner with Reddit. You also agree that we may remove metadata associated with Your Content, and you irrevocably waive any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content.

I found a historical version from 10 years ago and that version already had this:

you agree that by posting messages, uploading files, inputting data, or engaging in any other form of communication with or through the Website, you grant us a royalty-free, perpetual, non-exclusive, unrestricted, worldwide license to use, reproduce, modify, adapt, translate, enhance, transmit, distribute, publicly perform, display, or sublicense any such communication in any medium (now in existence or hereinafter developed) and for any purpose, including commercial purposes, and to authorize others to do so.

Haven't dug up anything earlier than this, do you know of any?

Basically, you gave Reddit your approval long ago.

MxM111 ,

Yep, they changed it.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

Did you use the service in the last 10 years?

MxM111 ,

Yes I did, but it is not clear if these are enforceable in court, when they give us read those multi page agreements that most people skip. More over AI like today did not exist and one can easily argue that that agreement does not cover data use for AI like chatGPT, since neither of the side understood implications for that. It is like owning nukes is not covered by second amendment.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

Well, I guess you could take them to court.

The important thing here IMO is not so much the enforceability as the intent. It was always obvious that Reddit would do whatever they wanted with the stuff we published there because they said they would do whatever they wanted with the stuff we published there. Personally, I knew this and just shrugged because it's no skin off my back if they do whatever they want with the stuff I published there - I was having fun posting, which was my goal. If they figured out some way to make those posts valuable then bully for them. They weren't otherwise valuable to me so it costs me nothing.

It's the same here on the Fediverse. When I post this stuff I'm tossing it out into the ether. It's on an open protocol intended to broadcast my comments to any compatible instances, so even if there isn't some literal terms of service that I signed that says "this content may show up on Threads or wherever" I know that it might show up on Threads or wherever. If I was truly fundamentally opposed to that then I wouldn't post.

MxM111 ,

As you could have guessed, I am on the same page with one exception (or addition) - I want my content to be used for free for AI training. My objection to Reddit agreement is that they want to paywall information needed for future progress.

FaceDeer ,
@FaceDeer@kbin.social avatar

Fortunately they may not really be able to. Reddit's comments and submissions are available here, and since this includes deleted content as well as the stuff that users have later edited away with scripts it may even be a better resource than what Reddit is offering itself. You'd need to train your AI in a legally permissive environment, of course, but there's places like that around the world and this is actually something that would advantage the "little guys" since they aren't as easy to target.

ReallyKinda ,

Our collective toilet thoughts are going to fuel the future of robot rhetoric guys

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