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PeterPoopshit ,

I hope they actually end up calling it the Very Big Disc (tm)

OrderedChaos ,

40x and faster drives are back!

ZugZug ,

But how many hamster tails is that because I maybe have like 20. With maybe a few more here and there.

paddirn ,

...That's a lot of porn.

Darken ,
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  • Joelk111 , (edited )

    1.6 Petabits or 200TB

    The article says "What is that in terms humans understand," then does some math, and produces the figure of 14000 4k movies.

    I'm a human and 200TB makes a lot more sense to me than 14000 4k movies. That isn't a standard unit. 14000 4k movies means nothing. You can have a 4k movie that's 200GB (that'd be 2.8PB) or 2GB (that'd be 28TB). What's the bit rate? In the article they mentioned that they just assumed that a 4k 2 hour long movie is 14GB.

    What I'm way more concerned about is how expensive the disks and readers/writers are. According to the article, the disks are manufactured similarly to the CD, but what about the readers/writers? Could we see these as competitors to HDDs? 200TB is friggin insane, at a good price you'd be spending 2 grand on that much HDD storage.

    VindictiveJudge ,
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    In the article they mentioned that they just assumed that a 4k 2 hour long movie is 14GB.

    That's more what I would expect out of a 1080p movie on a disc. If I have 200TB to play with, I'm not going to care much about compressing the video any more than what the disc it originally came off of was at since artifacts could be introduced. Sure, I probably wouldn't notice most artifacts, but with that much storage even the massive 100GB rips would be a drop in the bucket so why risk it?

    Could we see these as competitors to HDDs? 200TB is friggin insane, at a good price you’d be spending 2 grand on that much HDD storage.

    I doubt it would compete with HDD for home use. Loading times off of optical discs are atrocious. Just archiving data, sure, but my HDDs actually still have games on them that I run. Old games, sure, but not something where more storage would be worth the reduced read/write speeds. Maybe for a home video server, but that's about it, and there's going to be some significant loading compared to current servers with HDDs.

    Joelk111 ,

    Yeah, for sure, I look for my larger files when I'm legally obtaining my movies.

    I'd definitely have a place for them in my NAS, if they were much cheaper than HDDs. It'd be like an SSD cache to go with your HDDs, but a third slower tier for rarely accessed files.

    BeatTakeshi ,
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    I hope they come in vacuum cases, or the scratch is gonna hurt

    SloppyPuppy ,

    I think its still usless imo.

    200TB, I can literally put this in a single S3 bucket.

    Physical media in my opinion is outdated.

    Adanisi ,
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    You can give it to Amazon, so physical media is useless? Seriously?

    I do see flaws with this much data density on an optical disc, mainly physical damage, but physical media will always have it's place.

    SloppyPuppy ,

    If you have like 1-2 petabytes of data to upload to amazaon, sure, they have that special truck you can use. Otherwise, 200tb, i think it would be faster to upload it rather than travel to their offices.

    And dont forget its only going to get even faster. Whilst the media isnt going to get bigger at the same rate.

    Adanisi ,
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    Whatever happened to actually keeping your own data instead of entrusting a megacorporation which puts profit over everything else with it.

    absentbird ,
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    Why store data on media when you can pay the price of a sizable mortgage payment for someone else to store it for you?

    SloppyPuppy ,

    You do know its much safer and much more highly available to store it in a cloud rather than a piece of plastic, right?
    In a cloud you get it raided on multiple sites, etc… obv. Depends on how much you pay.
    Dont forget that CDs in their best of best conditions had a lifetime of merely 10 years. Dont know how much this new media holds with such density…

    And you do own the data, read the contracts.

    absentbird ,
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    I'm not saying you don't own the data, I'm saying it's more expensive than storing it yourself. Obviously it depends on the purpose and budget; if you need it to be highly available and secure, and you have thousands of dollars to direct to the project, the cloud is great. If you want to make a backup of all your DVDs that fits on a single disc, it might be overkill.

    The sort of data suited to discs like this is probably pretty different than the sort of data suited to an S3 bucket. It could make a decent tertiary backup though, a local copy of your data stored on offline media can be a lifesaver.

    This isn't a competing technology to the cloud, it's complimentary.

    cali_ash ,

    Unless you physical control your media, you don't own your data.

    darkmogool ,

    I can't comprehend it. Please elaborate it in numbers of an average-sized white truffle.

    mac ,
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    The DVD.

    c0mbatbag3l ,
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    It finally hit the corner straight on.

    iturnedintoanewt ,

    How much is that in football stadiums?

    cloudless ,
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    Mildly infuriating photo of the disc being inserted upside down.

    Pretzilla ,

    Double sided disks look like this

    GlitchyDigiBun ,
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    Which this probably is if they want to pack as much data as possible in one unit.

    ShepherdPie ,

    You seem like you've handled quite a few double-sided disks in your day.

    SomeGuy69 ,

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  • Weslee ,

    Is it not tempting as a safe alternative to failure prone drives for long term storage?

    filcuk ,

    Assuming it'd be cheaper than tapes, absolutely.

    Adanisi ,
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    Optical media isn't good for long term storage though.

    HeavyDogFeet ,
    @HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world avatar

    What a useless headline. God forbid they just give the actual capacity rather than some abstract, bullshit, flexible measure that means nothing to anyone.

    cali_ash ,

    Asteroid the size of 64 Canada geese to pass Earth Tuesday - NASA

    I'm not even making this up ....

    rottingleaf ,

    That's to be interesting for readers.

    AtmaJnana ,

    It also stands out a lot more than using meters. And gets people to talk about the ridiculous unit of measurement. In short, it drives engagement, which is the point of the title these days.

    TheGrandNagus ,

    The US really will do anything to avoid using metric lol

    Nurgle ,

    Canada geese are metric tho…

    Cethin ,

    Our ongoing war with Canadian geese are actually the reason why we didn't convert to metric. The geese have a harder time converting their flight paths if we list things in imperial.

    KISSmyOS ,

    Canada geese are whatever the fuck they want.

    ShepherdPie ,

    That's hilarious.

    rottingleaf ,

    It would seem attractive for me 20 years ago - as in funny and colorful. A little bit like Neal Stephenson's writing in Cryptonomicon.

    The problem is that various kinds of storage are something completely mundane today, and that particular thing is not going to reach us anytime soon, and BR is not too common as well.

    And the initial association with optical discs for me is about scratches. Maybe if those were distributed in protective cases like with floppies, they'd live longer.

    MasterHound ,

    They have to make it as accessible a headline as possible, especially when most don't read past the headline anyway these days. The average person probably doesn't have much of an idea as to what 125TB looks like in real world use.

    topinambour_rex ,
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    It does 89 285 714.3 floppy discs

    ShepherdPie , (edited )

    I'd argue that most people would have a better idea of what 125TB looks like than knowing the size of a 4k movie file, let alone 14,000 of them. They can at least compare 125TB to their 500GB/1TB phone/computer storage.

    Matty_r ,
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    But bigger number mean more better

    xthexder ,
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    Not to mention there's nearly 10x difference in bitrate between 4K streaming video and actual 4K HDR off a bluray. The only people who know how big a 4K video is these days are nerds and pirates, because it's not like Netflix tells you.

    Teon ,
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    It's larger than 6 olympic swimming pools and fits in my pants.

    BorgDrone ,

    I especially like it when they use airplanes to illustrate weight. “… the same as 15 Boeing 747 jumbo jets”. Airplanes are made to be as light as possible, they go to extreme lengths to save as much weight as they can. As such, a 747 is much lighter than most objects of similar size. People have no intuition of the weight of such large objects to begin with, but then they add to it by using something that is much lighter than you’d expect.

    PositivePossum ,

    200TB

    lambda ,
    @lambda@programming.dev avatar

    Woah, I can't wait to never afford that!

    femtech ,

    So like, 5-6 uncompressed 4k movies

    mods_are_assholes ,

    Most people aren't tech savvy, and industry acronyms chase them away.

    On the other hand, a movie is something everyone can understand.

    Ropianos , (edited )

    You can understand it but you can't interpret the value. How many movies is a CD? Or a DVD? Or a 1TB SSD? Or even Avatar in 3D (presumably not 1)? How many movies have even been released in total/last year?

    The number awes non-tech savvy folk but it doesn't really inform them of anything. You could just as well write "more movies than you will ever need".

    And besides that, I personally think that news should try to educate folk. I'm completely fine with a comparison in the article. But why in the headline?

    mods_are_assholes ,

    If it wasn't an effective marketing tactic Apple wouldn't have used it as a metric on their tablets and ipods.

    HeavyDogFeet ,
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    Not really. A 4K movie means nothing to 99% of people. Is it 4GB? 40? 400? How many can my phone hold? Or my computer?

    This only makes things more understandable if you use a point of reference that everyone you're talking to is familiar with. The fact that they had to then explain how big a 4K movie is in the article clearly shows that even they know that this doesn't help people. It's just a big flashy number.

    Just for context, I'm a writer, I understand the point of using these abstract measures to give a frame of reference. But in this case, just giving the capacity in GB/TB would have been easier to understand. It just wouldn't have been as sensational of a headline.

    werefreeatlast ,

    That's enough to store a high detail photo of every single man and woman posing naked in every possible position and combination of positions. And it lasts 10 years like parts of some CDs and DVDs did? Wow! Incredible!

    rottingleaf ,

    Those you'd like to see naked are usually not single

    werefreeatlast ,

    But if you could just get a good DVD 😜 with the right people in it. LOL.

    doublejay1999 ,
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    That’s nearly 4 Call of Duty games

    AtmaJnana ,

    Maybe without the useless campaign mode.

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