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prograhammingdev ,

Chart is a little misleading starting at 7% instead of zero, but still a nice surge nevertheless.

matticusrex ,

Is that 7% or 7,000 installs total? The axis isn’t labeled!!

Pirky ,
@Pirky@lemmy.world avatar

I see a k following the numbers, so I'm assuming that's total number of downloads.

matticusrex ,

Article states installs per day

FatCat OP ,
@FatCat@lemmy.world avatar

True. Other people asked so they posted another one.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bde8014c-5953-4c7c-bab5-696e6179a0ab.png

IzzyScissor ,

IMO, this makes it look even worse.

Cqrd ,

That's why they started with the one they did

anarchy79 ,
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    Pirky ,
    @Pirky@lemmy.world avatar

    Even then, this is still a solid 30-40% increase in downloads. That's statistically significant right there.

    pHr34kY ,

    Worse, or... "better"?

    steersman2484 ,

    Does not look as nice, but is way less misleading

    scarabic ,

    The total numbers are so small that the shape of the line barely matters. 7-10k installs daily? In the mobile browser market? There are plant identification apps with better numbers.

    Kinglink ,

    Not even seven percent. Lol. Seven thousand which is probably like .0001 percent.

    the_kung_fu_emu ,
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    That's new daily installs though, so cumulative number. I don't think they're trying to draw a comparison, just show the increase.

    account_93 ,

    There is zero reason to switch browsers on iOS, They all run the same engine.
    Safari also has extensions (which I believe 3rd party browsers can't use).

    jol ,

    They all run the same engine for now. The EU wants to ban that too.

    TheGrandNagus ,

    Eh, that's not true. Yes they run on the same engine, but there can still be different features overlaid on top, plus syncing history/bookmarks with your other devices.

    The engine is by far the biggest part of a browser, but it is not the only part of a browser.

    Also, EU users will soon have access to "real" different browsers.

    morrowind ,
    @morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

    Normal people don't choose the browser based on the underlying engine

    ocassionallyaduck ,

    Again, this is why this law was such a big deal. Prior to this you were correct. Thanks to the DMA, you are wrong. Firefox will be running Gecko, and Vivaldi, Brave, Chrome, etc are allowed to ship their flavors of chromium.

    account_93 ,

    *in the EU

    d7eeem ,

    But still isn’t it a safari reskin!!

    echodot ,

    No because the EU forced them to actually allow the browser engines. It turns out that somebody with an actual brain was behind the policy decision.

    Shockingly it turns out that despite what apple always claimed it was actually perfectly possible and weirdly isn't actually a security threat after all, who knew.

    baseless_discourse ,

    I don't think people can develop a browser engine that fast, and apple is still scrambling to figure out the least amount of compliance to avoid legal trouble.

    So I doubt they are using a different engine at this moment.

    echodot ,

    What do you mean develop they already have the engine on desktop and on Android

    baseless_discourse ,

    I think porting it to iOS still probably takes time, but I am happy to be proven wrong if you have source stating that brave is not using webkit on iOS.

    NorthCountryHermit ,

    The porting has probably already been done, as sideloading apps, while difficult, was still possible. It'd make sense to have something waiting in the wings, so to speak. So it's doubtful iOS development has just started.

    baseless_discourse ,

    You are right, blink is ported, but it seems like gecko is not there yet.

    But brave still uses webkit as of now, according to wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)

    ocassionallyaduck ,

    You can doubt all you want, but devs have had functioning alternative engines in dev environments for ages. Apple just would not allow them.

    FatCat OP ,
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    I think at this point it still is. But it should get a chromium version in future!

    nikscha ,

    I hate how they cut off the graph...

    half_built_pyramids ,

    Yeah, that graph is sus af

    kyle ,

    At least it's drawn to scale, but yeah I get it. Starting at 7k probably makes it easier to read.

    echodot ,

    I'm so glad they included a key otherwise I wouldn't know what the green line represented.

    ___ ,

    I used to use brave before they were soured. Ther BAT token disappearing from my account was another nail in the coffin.

    TheGrandNagus ,

    Arguably soured from the very beginning depending on how much you care about the CEO financially supporting a bill to strip gay people of their right to marry, plus supporting a politician who said that AIDS is good because it cleanses the earth of gay people.

    Pantherina , (edited )

    That graph looks exaggerated but this is over a few days which is crazy

    ArtVandelay ,
    @ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

    It is misleading. In a reputable graph, your y axis would start at zero

    locuester ,

    Nah. I hear your complaint but look up any stock ticker. Starting at 0 would simply cause too much white space and make it hard to see movements.

    The y-axis is clearly labeled allowing us to see that it’s about a 40% jump.

    viking ,
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    Not really, no. You use a point of reference that's clearly labeled. If you'd start the graph at zero, you would just end up with a lot of dead space.

    Pantherina ,

    No the axis shows a detailed increase with clearly stated numbers. This is just the first impression.

    We are not talking about Apple graph madness

    apple bullshit

    foremanguy92_ ,

    I don't think this is a good thing, brave is good out of the box but do not provide good browsing experience

    just_change_it ,

    I mean sure I guess... but brave as a browser is atrocious. I don't trust their bullshit at all.

    After all who doesn't want a crypto wallet in their browser? that's the safest place for it right?

    FauxPseudo ,
    @FauxPseudo@lemmy.world avatar

    I guess if you have no experience with it then that's a perfect response. Meanwhile I've got $72 worth of BAT in mine and if it vanished I'd be perfectly fine losing money I never actually owned. I donate to DDG and Wikipedia each month with mine. That's money they didn't have so they are fine with that.

    I used to have a lot less but this crypto spike has increased it by a lot so my holdings are exceeding my donations. Might need to give away more.

    FauxPseudo ,
    @FauxPseudo@lemmy.world avatar

    I'm seeing a lot of down votes but no counter arguments.

    PoliticallyIncorrect ,
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    Using Brave since years ago and it goes pretty smooth, good for them but first they should get out of Apple brand tbh.

    Voyajer ,
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    I've been using Firefox on my android phones for years though, I don't remember it ever being more involved then setting it as default on the popup on first launch.

    hagelslager ,

    Android is a fenced garden compared to the fortress that is iOS.

    fidodo ,

    I guess, but it's like a 2 foot high fence

    TowardsTheFuture ,

    Did the same on iOS… not a huge difference. Download app from store, set as default.

    DrCake ,

    On iOS the browser isn’t really Firefox. It’s just a re-skinned Safari due to apples rules. I think now they are allowed to ship their own engines

    utopiah ,

    They are but it's not ready AFAIK https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882872

    Can't wait to use it though and be able to install WebExtensions.

    smileyhead ,

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    refurbishedrefurbisher ,

    I'm pretty sure the term jailbreak comes from the term "jail" being used on FreeBSD, which iOS is based on, which is an application sandboxing tool, therefore, a "jailbreak" is a method to escape that sandbox and gain elevated permissions to the system.

    iOS being a jail is a pretty apt analogy, regardless, though.

    Therealgoodjanet ,

    I have been using Firefox as the default browser on my iPhone for a while now. It wasn’t complicated to setup either.

    utopiah ,

    Same here but it's not Firefox with its own Engine, it's a Firefox frontend for WebKit with some of Apple's restriction.

    GenderNeutralBro ,

    There are a bunch of apps that strictly require Chrome for their in-app custom tabs, though. I have to re-install Chrome on occasion because I can't log into apps without it. Also, having Chrome installed at all makes it impossible to NOT set a default browser (i.e. to have it ask every time), which is what I prefer since I use several different browsers for different use cases. (Note: this is on Pixel. Never had that problem on my older phones.)

    smileyhead ,

    While we can, we should reject those sites and program them to the standards.
    Including that some features are optional.

    Appoxo ,

    I have Firefox set up and never was the in-app browser firefox

    How I know? I have dark reader active on those pages and usually websites don't reflect system primary settings.

    GenderNeutralBro ,

    I think it used to be possible to set your default "custom tabs" browser as well, but I don't think it is anymore. I'm not totally sure though.

    I don't know why these apps use custom tabs in the first place. It's always struck me as a solution in search of a problem.

    redditReallySucks ,
    @redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    The axis is somewhat misleading. A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.

    Edit: just saw from the comments this is the number of installs per day so its bigger than I thought

    4am ,

    It’s been one day

    Kbobabob ,

    Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people are trying it out. I'm curious what the other options look like and how many continue using them after the initial install.

    abhibeckert ,

    A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.

    It's about a third. Imagine if your income went up by 30% in 24 hours, I reckon you'd be pretty happy about that.

    Also - it tends to take months for a new version of iOS to reach a large number of users, and years to reach everyone. So a rapid growth rate (probably not 30%, but still fast) is likely to be sustained over quite a while.

    Halcyon ,
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    Brave is evil.

    kyub ,

    That doesn't surprise me, and yes it was always because of anti-competitive practices, so I'm all for more neutrality, I'll just add 2 shower thoughts:

    1. Seeing that Brave is at the top of the browser list, I wonder how many selected Brave just because it's at the top of the list and thought that this must be a good choice then, not because they actually like Brave.
    2. It's nice to have such a thing for browsers, but it would have to be expanded to other apps as well, e.g. mail client. Oh well, maybe in another 10 years or so.
    FatCat OP ,
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    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/446f2ff9-3584-43db-b9f8-f0890782442e.png

    ianovic69 ,
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    Cool icon? iOS users? Surely not!

    314xel ,
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    The position is randomized.

    banghida ,

    They are probably just trying to pump their token with these posts.

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