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PoliticallyIncorrect ,
@PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world avatar

Using Brave since years ago and it goes pretty smooth, good for them but first they should get out of Apple brand tbh.

KairuByte ,
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For god sakes don’t use Brave. Brave has been caught doing shady shit in the past, and the CEO is a piece of shit on top of that.

Use Firefox with privacy addons.

cryptix ,

But in iOS , addons (ublock origin) are not available at least outside EU, so brave is the better choice as it got brave shield . everywhere else I use Firefox.

cmbabul ,

This isn’t true, Safari has that exact extension

cryptix , (edited )

Explain please , I can't figure out how to use ublock origin in iPad

cmbabul ,

I’m going to do my best to give this answer when I’m less drunk tomorrow

cmbabul ,

So you’re gonna want do a space+command and type extensions, that should open the App Store to where you want to be, unlock is one of the top extensions.

explore_broaden ,

That’s on macOS, not iOS.

cmbabul ,

It’s on iPadOS too

markon ,

There is one issues though... Firefox is extremely slow and clunky. I hate to say it, but on mobile it is hard to use all the time for me. On desktop I'm Firefox 95% of the time but some sites don't work very well with the much slower JavaScript engine. This isn't to defend Brave or any chromium browser but we gotta get Firefox up to speed.

the16bitgamer ,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

This is on iOS. There is no Firefox (geko) or Chromium, there is only skins of Safari so your point is moot. For now.

RedSeries ,

I feel like Firefox has made some really great strides on the performance front. Especially considering how bloated chrome has gotten as a comparison. But... Yeah that's valid. I love Firefox like 99% of the time but sometimes I'm almost forced to swap to Chrome to get a site to work correctly or reliably.

markon ,

Site devs need to see the threat from browser engine monopolies too. Valve literally started pouring resources into Linux gaming just because Microsoft looked like they were trying to dominate game stores on Windows. Chromium actually dominates the web. I guess at least base chromium is open source. Still though, one of those markets is way bigger than the other and it definitely isn't Linux gaming. (God I love Proton/WINE and how far we've come!)

rambaroo , (edited )

Firefox and chromium both outperform Safari in performance tests, or roughly the same depending on the setup.

It's Safari that's the third rate browser. No one would use that shit if it hadn't been forced on them and if the other vendors weren't restricted by Apple.

There's a reason Apple stopped making Safari for other platforms. It never caught on, 'cause it sucks. Safari can't compete without Apple kneecapping the competition. They're like a sports team that can't win without playing on their home turf at 10000 ft altitude where they pump in crowd noise and drug the other team's gatorade

markon ,

Wow safari is shit. I didn't know it was that far behind. Damn. Well, to be fair my problem is my Pixel 6 is a slow ass buggy Google nightmare product. Firefox probably works fine on a Samsung phone but then I can't install GrapheneOS. Yet I have never bothered so... Samsung and their locked bootloader may be preferable just so Firefox has more hardware to run on lol.

dai ,

Firefox is fine on mobile in my eyes.

At least the Android version, even on my 5 year old Exynos phone it does what I need / want from a browser. Allows (some) extensions, lets me zoom wherever I want to on any page, has a reader mode and is snappy enough on old hardware.

Chrome tries to be / do far too much for me, just fuck off and let me browse the web. I do like the dynamic colours that Chrome on mobile uses on different webpages, is hot.

However Chrome gives me dirty Microsoft vibes, and it's pretty hard to shake that stank.

If your on iOS welcome to the walled garden. Hope you live in the EU.

markon ,

I just have a shitty phone. Lol don't buy a Pixel 6. (Unless you pick it up really cheap for temporary use)

ahriboy , (edited )
@ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Vivaldi and Firefox are better choices.

PS: considering reviewing Brave again. Everyone should contribute to their source code.

hannes3120 ,

Vivaldi is the best!

Currently trying out Floorp as a Firefox fork for the possibility that Google's disabling of adblockers in the manifest will make it impossible to use chromium browsers which is kind of good, too

But Vivaldi rules as long as chromium is an option!

madis ,

Floorp looks nice and customizable, but in terms of updates it doesn't seem very sustainable yet.

hannes3120 ,

I get updates every other week

but I think it's in a weird spot with not having regular English patchnotes - and afaik they also use an older rendering-engine

madis ,

Ahh, now that explains why I just saw a smaller number.

Floorp is based on Firefox ESR. Floorp will be updated every 4 weeks, with security updates provided before each Firefox release.

SeaJ ,

Don't worry, Firefox downloads in the EU have also skyrocketed.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/13/24100066/firefox-saw-an-increase-in-users-following-apples-default-browser-changes-in-the-eu

turkishdelight ,

Wasn't the Brave CEO formerly the Mozilla CEO, back when Mozilla was doing a good job?

jol ,

Yes, until he was ousted for being trash as a person.

turkishdelight ,

and Mozilla has been doing poorly since.

TheGrandNagus ,

Mozilla was doing poorly when he was CEO as well. Google has been doing everything they can to force Chrome.

He was CEO for 11 days and in that time all he did was cause a bunch of websites to show a banner requesting that users install a different browser in order to not support a homophobe.

There was also a boatload of articles about his homophobia that brought Mozilla into disrepute.

turkishdelight ,

The problem is appointing Mozilla leadership based on ideological purity rather than technical merit.

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

Firstly, who says that's happening?

And secondly, this isn't entirely about purity - even if you personally (and I'm not saying this is your view, btw) don't give the slightest fuck about gay people and you're fine with them having fewer rights/fine with others actively trying to strip their rights away - others aren't, and it's harmful to the business.

Eich was CEO for 11 days and achieved nothing other than a Firefox boycott, dozens of negative Firefox headlines, and Firefox being known as the homophobic browser.

Even from a cold-hearted "fuck human rights, I care only about market share" POV, Eich was still an awful CEO decision.

jol ,

Would you hire a bigot to run your company so long as the numbers go up? Fuck that mentality.

Hobbes ,

This is too far down.

Pantherina , (edited )

That graph looks exaggerated but this is over a few days which is crazy

ArtVandelay ,
@ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

It is misleading. In a reputable graph, your y axis would start at zero

locuester ,

Nah. I hear your complaint but look up any stock ticker. Starting at 0 would simply cause too much white space and make it hard to see movements.

The y-axis is clearly labeled allowing us to see that it’s about a 40% jump.

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Not really, no. You use a point of reference that's clearly labeled. If you'd start the graph at zero, you would just end up with a lot of dead space.

Pantherina ,

No the axis shows a detailed increase with clearly stated numbers. This is just the first impression.

We are not talking about Apple graph madness

apple bullshit

___ ,

I used to use brave before they were soured. Ther BAT token disappearing from my account was another nail in the coffin.

TheGrandNagus ,

Arguably soured from the very beginning depending on how much you care about the CEO financially supporting a bill to strip gay people of their right to marry, plus supporting a politician who said that AIDS is good because it cleanses the earth of gay people.

turkishdelight ,

I don't use Brave due to lack of uBlock Origin support. Otherwise it seems like a decent browser.

SuperSpruce ,

Thing is, on iOS, at least in the past, Firefox had no uBlock origin support, which pushed Brave's adblocking capability to the #1 spot.

turkishdelight ,

makes sense

southernbrewer ,

Not just in the past, you still can't install addons in (any browser) on iOS. brave is basically the only option because it adblocks without addons.

SuperSpruce ,

I thought Safari supports some extensions now, including AdBlock Plus.

foremanguy92_ ,

I don't think this is a good thing, brave is good out of the box but do not provide good browsing experience

fne8w2ah ,

Still wouldn't touch Brave Browser due to their past crypto shenanigans.

porkchop ,

Please forgive my ignorance. Can’t you shut that shit off? Does shenanigans still apply?

skeezix ,

They apply after you shut them off

AMDIsOurLord ,

Brave is garbage. It's a cryptoscam adscam browser based on Chrome. For the love of god, use Firefox (or Vivaldi if you absolutely need chromium)

Clandestine ,

I can't say I disagree, I've long abandoned it on my PC.

But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone, so I'm still using it on my phone.

Samueru ,

But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone

It is the same on android, it even lets me watch youtube vids without ads and in the background.

aido ,
@aido@lemmy.world avatar

On Android you can use Firefox + uBlock Origin now

snugglesthefalse ,

I just used YouTube revanced and set default YouTube links to go there

Samueru ,

Las time I could not watch youtube vids in the background in firefox.

I also had trouble getting files that download multiple files at once to work on firefox.

meliaesc ,

Unfortunately brave has the best desktop layout when using Samsung DeX.

Goodtoknow ,
@Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca avatar

Better than Kiwi?

meliaesc , (edited )

Oh, haven't tried that one. I have just experienced the awful aspect ratio on Firefox.

elwy , (edited )

At least on android Firefox has Google tracking built into the app among much other tracking/ads. If you don't like Brave you may want to consider a Firefox fork. On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.

Edit: I forgot criticizing Firefox is wrongthink on the fediverse and will get you donwnvoted no matter what. Even if it's in the context of advising people to switch FROM Brave TO a Firefox fork on Android.

fushuan ,

I'm not sure if fennec has it, it's the core Firefox android build that is not published to the store.

elwy ,

Fennec doesn't have any of it (Google Analytics, Pocket, Mozilla Tracking), which is why it's my choice of mobile browser. It's on FDroid

Syrc ,

On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.

Safari + AdGuard gave me no issues so far.

cmbabul ,

Safari ain’t perfect but it’s leagues better than brave

13 ,
@13@kbin.run avatar

@AMDIsOurLord @FatCat
Brave may have its flaws but at least it has an offline Dino game, what does Firefox have?

ultra ,

an offline breakout game

Goodtoknow ,
@Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca avatar

Brave on iOS is one of the more legitimate ways of getting an ad blocker

aclarkc ,

Check out Orion! Firefox and Chrime add on support.

Edit: Also like Vivaldi. If you want device wide I can highly recommend NextDNS

shasta ,

Firefox has adblockers on mobile

fushuan ,

Firefos add-ons don't work on iOS, I literally just googled it to ensure I was informed before writing what you wrote.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/add-ons-firefox-ios#:~:text=Add%2Dons%20for%20the%20desktop,%2C%20Mac%2C%20Windows%20and%20Linux

shasta ,

I see. Another reaffirmation in my choice to not use iphone.

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I have an android from 2018, it still works great and I can run adblock on firefox, eat shit apple!

Syrc ,

I’ve been using Safari + AdGuard for a while and I don’t remember seeing any ad.

Hermokuolio ,

whats wrong with chromium?

RGB3x3 ,

It allows Google to continue controlling the Internet.

Samueru ,

Brave is great, has configurable keybinds, nice default adblock block list, vertical tabs, syncing sessions without email, etc.

And on android it can play youtube vids on the background.

The crypto ads just get disabled on the new tab page, you don't even have to go to the settings lol. And vivaldi is partially closed source btw.

tocopherol ,
@tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

There are crypto ads involved in the product though? Fuck that, even if it was default off

Samueru ,

Brave is an interesting case, they found a way to make money that doesn't involve tracking their users, making deals with google or be closed source lol

If you hate that fine, I definitely prefer that than the other alternatives lol.

OozingPositron ,
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>Cryptoscam

I turned it off

>Adscam

I turned them off

>Based on chrome

Chromium

>use Firefox

No.

AMDIsOurLord ,

Cope and Seethe

hedgehog ,

Are you saying you don’t like Firefox because they don’t like propaganda?

Fridgeratr ,

No.

*Links article about one of the best takes ever made by an online company

Wild

nikscha ,

I hate how they cut off the graph...

half_built_pyramids ,

Yeah, that graph is sus af

kyle ,

At least it's drawn to scale, but yeah I get it. Starting at 7k probably makes it easier to read.

account_93 ,

There is zero reason to switch browsers on iOS, They all run the same engine.
Safari also has extensions (which I believe 3rd party browsers can't use).

jol ,

They all run the same engine for now. The EU wants to ban that too.

TheGrandNagus ,

Eh, that's not true. Yes they run on the same engine, but there can still be different features overlaid on top, plus syncing history/bookmarks with your other devices.

The engine is by far the biggest part of a browser, but it is not the only part of a browser.

Also, EU users will soon have access to "real" different browsers.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

Normal people don't choose the browser based on the underlying engine

ocassionallyaduck ,

Again, this is why this law was such a big deal. Prior to this you were correct. Thanks to the DMA, you are wrong. Firefox will be running Gecko, and Vivaldi, Brave, Chrome, etc are allowed to ship their flavors of chromium.

account_93 ,

*in the EU

poopkins ,

3,000 people clicked a button out of curiosity or by mistake. If this is statistically relevant for their install base, there really is nobody using Brave. I have as many users randomly come and go into my game on a daily basis.

skeezix ,

Maybe Europeans like crypto scamware

d7eeem ,

But still isn’t it a safari reskin!!

echodot ,

No because the EU forced them to actually allow the browser engines. It turns out that somebody with an actual brain was behind the policy decision.

Shockingly it turns out that despite what apple always claimed it was actually perfectly possible and weirdly isn't actually a security threat after all, who knew.

baseless_discourse ,

I don't think people can develop a browser engine that fast, and apple is still scrambling to figure out the least amount of compliance to avoid legal trouble.

So I doubt they are using a different engine at this moment.

echodot ,

What do you mean develop they already have the engine on desktop and on Android

baseless_discourse ,

I think porting it to iOS still probably takes time, but I am happy to be proven wrong if you have source stating that brave is not using webkit on iOS.

NorthCountryHermit ,

The porting has probably already been done, as sideloading apps, while difficult, was still possible. It'd make sense to have something waiting in the wings, so to speak. So it's doubtful iOS development has just started.

baseless_discourse ,

You are right, blink is ported, but it seems like gecko is not there yet.

But brave still uses webkit as of now, according to wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)

ocassionallyaduck ,

You can doubt all you want, but devs have had functioning alternative engines in dev environments for ages. Apple just would not allow them.

FatCat OP ,
@FatCat@lemmy.world avatar

I think at this point it still is. But it should get a chromium version in future!

echodot ,

I'm so glad they included a key otherwise I wouldn't know what the green line represented.

FreakinSteve ,

I dont know wtf this is about; I have NEVER had a problem switching default browsers in ANY environment.

Apthianos ,

After you install the 17.4 update or when setting up the phone it'll ask what browser you want as your deafult. Before this and still in other countries you have to manually search and download a browser and set it as the default.

ObsidianZed ,

I was a bit confused too. So all that's changed is a specific splash screen during new phone setup prompting the user to pick a default browser?

hswolf ,
@hswolf@lemmy.world avatar

yes, because the average user doesn't even know there are different browsers, and that they can change the default one, which is great to "vendor lock" your own browser, in this case Safari from iOS

ObsidianZed ,

Gotcha, but even in that case, what's convincing most of those average users from picking a different browser? The logo? "Ooh pretty lion?"

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Some might be aware others exist but not be quite tech savvy enough to figure out how to have it be the default. I downloaded Firefox for my ex on her phone but the default was still chrome so whenever she clicked a link on an app it would just open on chrome. If this pop up had happened she would have chosen to make Firefox her main browser when opening links and stuff. She did use it when browsing normally, Chrome was just the default for all other apps.

echodot ,

Hell you dealing with iPhone users here, they barely know that the device they use in this technically a computer. You've got to basically spoon feed them basic stuff like other browsers exist.

FreakinSteve ,

IPhone and Mac users in general. A friend of mine was an Apple sales rep for many many years and holy crap I dont know how he didnt go on a killing spree

echodot ,

I used to work for Apple technical support and the stupidity of your average Apple user drive me up the wall, it's left me with a very negative view of their clientele.

My favorite was the person that threatened to sue me personally because he had dropped his iPhone on a glass table and it had broken the glass table and the iPhone. And he was mad that Apple wouldn't cover his costs.

FreakinSteve ,

My friend dealt with the frustration by making cheap cartoons. An example:

https://youtu.be/V3kCZjdXIv8?si=QFwoHJzX1lBHqTdl

FreakinSteve ,

So basically all this is nanny state-ing for idiots? Darwin would be so pissed now

LodeMike , (edited )

Reminder that this graph does not start at zero. Still a ~(EDIT: 50)% increase.

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

take home message from this graph: if we shift the graph down by ~7K, you can see that we have roughly increased our user base by a factor of 100!

KredeSeraf ,

9.33262154 × 10157% is a pretty sick increase, all things considered.

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