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echodot ,

I'm so glad they included a key otherwise I wouldn't know what the green line represented.

kyub ,

That doesn't surprise me, and yes it was always because of anti-competitive practices, so I'm all for more neutrality, I'll just add 2 shower thoughts:

  1. Seeing that Brave is at the top of the browser list, I wonder how many selected Brave just because it's at the top of the list and thought that this must be a good choice then, not because they actually like Brave.
  2. It's nice to have such a thing for browsers, but it would have to be expanded to other apps as well, e.g. mail client. Oh well, maybe in another 10 years or so.
FatCat OP ,
@FatCat@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/446f2ff9-3584-43db-b9f8-f0890782442e.png

ianovic69 ,
@ianovic69@feddit.uk avatar

Cool icon? iOS users? Surely not!

314xel ,
@314xel@lemmy.world avatar

The position is randomized.

___ ,

I used to use brave before they were soured. Ther BAT token disappearing from my account was another nail in the coffin.

TheGrandNagus ,

Arguably soured from the very beginning depending on how much you care about the CEO financially supporting a bill to strip gay people of their right to marry, plus supporting a politician who said that AIDS is good because it cleanses the earth of gay people.

FreakinSteve ,

I dont know wtf this is about; I have NEVER had a problem switching default browsers in ANY environment.

Apthianos ,

After you install the 17.4 update or when setting up the phone it'll ask what browser you want as your deafult. Before this and still in other countries you have to manually search and download a browser and set it as the default.

ObsidianZed ,

I was a bit confused too. So all that's changed is a specific splash screen during new phone setup prompting the user to pick a default browser?

hswolf ,
@hswolf@lemmy.world avatar

yes, because the average user doesn't even know there are different browsers, and that they can change the default one, which is great to "vendor lock" your own browser, in this case Safari from iOS

ObsidianZed ,

Gotcha, but even in that case, what's convincing most of those average users from picking a different browser? The logo? "Ooh pretty lion?"

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Some might be aware others exist but not be quite tech savvy enough to figure out how to have it be the default. I downloaded Firefox for my ex on her phone but the default was still chrome so whenever she clicked a link on an app it would just open on chrome. If this pop up had happened she would have chosen to make Firefox her main browser when opening links and stuff. She did use it when browsing normally, Chrome was just the default for all other apps.

echodot ,

Hell you dealing with iPhone users here, they barely know that the device they use in this technically a computer. You've got to basically spoon feed them basic stuff like other browsers exist.

FreakinSteve ,

IPhone and Mac users in general. A friend of mine was an Apple sales rep for many many years and holy crap I dont know how he didnt go on a killing spree

echodot ,

I used to work for Apple technical support and the stupidity of your average Apple user drive me up the wall, it's left me with a very negative view of their clientele.

My favorite was the person that threatened to sue me personally because he had dropped his iPhone on a glass table and it had broken the glass table and the iPhone. And he was mad that Apple wouldn't cover his costs.

FreakinSteve ,

My friend dealt with the frustration by making cheap cartoons. An example:

https://youtu.be/V3kCZjdXIv8?si=QFwoHJzX1lBHqTdl

FreakinSteve ,

So basically all this is nanny state-ing for idiots? Darwin would be so pissed now

poopkins ,

3,000 people clicked a button out of curiosity or by mistake. If this is statistically relevant for their install base, there really is nobody using Brave. I have as many users randomly come and go into my game on a daily basis.

skeezix ,

Maybe Europeans like crypto scamware

turkishdelight ,

I don't use Brave due to lack of uBlock Origin support. Otherwise it seems like a decent browser.

SuperSpruce ,

Thing is, on iOS, at least in the past, Firefox had no uBlock origin support, which pushed Brave's adblocking capability to the #1 spot.

turkishdelight ,

makes sense

southernbrewer ,

Not just in the past, you still can't install addons in (any browser) on iOS. brave is basically the only option because it adblocks without addons.

SuperSpruce ,

I thought Safari supports some extensions now, including AdBlock Plus.

Halcyon ,
@Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Brave is evil.

lanolinoil ,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

Hurry USA! Better find some smallish company to sue for anti trust instead of working on any real issues like this

farsinuce ,
@farsinuce@feddit.dk avatar

To whoever mentioned Librewolf previously as a better alternative to FireFox: Thank you.

Sharkictus ,

Does Firefox containers work on it

d7eeem ,

But still isn’t it a safari reskin!!

echodot ,

No because the EU forced them to actually allow the browser engines. It turns out that somebody with an actual brain was behind the policy decision.

Shockingly it turns out that despite what apple always claimed it was actually perfectly possible and weirdly isn't actually a security threat after all, who knew.

baseless_discourse ,

I don't think people can develop a browser engine that fast, and apple is still scrambling to figure out the least amount of compliance to avoid legal trouble.

So I doubt they are using a different engine at this moment.

echodot ,

What do you mean develop they already have the engine on desktop and on Android

baseless_discourse ,

I think porting it to iOS still probably takes time, but I am happy to be proven wrong if you have source stating that brave is not using webkit on iOS.

NorthCountryHermit ,

The porting has probably already been done, as sideloading apps, while difficult, was still possible. It'd make sense to have something waiting in the wings, so to speak. So it's doubtful iOS development has just started.

baseless_discourse ,

You are right, blink is ported, but it seems like gecko is not there yet.

But brave still uses webkit as of now, according to wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_(web_browser)

ocassionallyaduck ,

You can doubt all you want, but devs have had functioning alternative engines in dev environments for ages. Apple just would not allow them.

FatCat OP ,
@FatCat@lemmy.world avatar

I think at this point it still is. But it should get a chromium version in future!

account_93 ,

There is zero reason to switch browsers on iOS, They all run the same engine.
Safari also has extensions (which I believe 3rd party browsers can't use).

jol ,

They all run the same engine for now. The EU wants to ban that too.

TheGrandNagus ,

Eh, that's not true. Yes they run on the same engine, but there can still be different features overlaid on top, plus syncing history/bookmarks with your other devices.

The engine is by far the biggest part of a browser, but it is not the only part of a browser.

Also, EU users will soon have access to "real" different browsers.

morrowind ,
@morrowind@lemmy.ml avatar

Normal people don't choose the browser based on the underlying engine

ocassionallyaduck ,

Again, this is why this law was such a big deal. Prior to this you were correct. Thanks to the DMA, you are wrong. Firefox will be running Gecko, and Vivaldi, Brave, Chrome, etc are allowed to ship their flavors of chromium.

account_93 ,

*in the EU

therealjcdenton ,
@therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip avatar

Competition is healthy for a market, this is proof that people aren't happy with the default browser and it'll hopefully spur apple into improving their browser and in turn causing brave to improve even more

Weslee ,

"brave to improve even more"? Don't you mean stop being a shitty scummy company?

moon ,

Honestly I'd expect a much bigger jump

laxe ,

A choice screen is a baby step that’s not enough to level the playing field.

foremanguy92_ ,

I don't think this is a good thing, brave is good out of the box but do not provide good browsing experience

excitingburp ,

And once again, I am seriously questioning Apple's privacy claims. Why else would Apple build such a moat around Safari?

Aatube , (edited )
@Aatube@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Same reasons as Internet Explorer, probably

utopiah ,

Because they can limit it and thus make app more attractive and keep a 30% cut?

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