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turkishdelight ,

I don't use Brave due to lack of uBlock Origin support. Otherwise it seems like a decent browser.

SuperSpruce ,

Thing is, on iOS, at least in the past, Firefox had no uBlock origin support, which pushed Brave's adblocking capability to the #1 spot.

turkishdelight ,

makes sense

southernbrewer ,

Not just in the past, you still can't install addons in (any browser) on iOS. brave is basically the only option because it adblocks without addons.

SuperSpruce ,

I thought Safari supports some extensions now, including AdBlock Plus.

___ ,

I used to use brave before they were soured. Ther BAT token disappearing from my account was another nail in the coffin.

TheGrandNagus ,

Arguably soured from the very beginning depending on how much you care about the CEO financially supporting a bill to strip gay people of their right to marry, plus supporting a politician who said that AIDS is good because it cleanses the earth of gay people.

Pantherina , (edited )

That graph looks exaggerated but this is over a few days which is crazy

ArtVandelay ,
@ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

It is misleading. In a reputable graph, your y axis would start at zero

locuester ,

Nah. I hear your complaint but look up any stock ticker. Starting at 0 would simply cause too much white space and make it hard to see movements.

The y-axis is clearly labeled allowing us to see that it’s about a 40% jump.

viking ,
@viking@infosec.pub avatar

Not really, no. You use a point of reference that's clearly labeled. If you'd start the graph at zero, you would just end up with a lot of dead space.

Pantherina ,

No the axis shows a detailed increase with clearly stated numbers. This is just the first impression.

We are not talking about Apple graph madness

apple bullshit

KairuByte ,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

For god sakes don’t use Brave. Brave has been caught doing shady shit in the past, and the CEO is a piece of shit on top of that.

Use Firefox with privacy addons.

cryptix ,

But in iOS , addons (ublock origin) are not available at least outside EU, so brave is the better choice as it got brave shield . everywhere else I use Firefox.

cmbabul ,

This isn’t true, Safari has that exact extension

cryptix , (edited )

Explain please , I can't figure out how to use ublock origin in iPad

cmbabul ,

I’m going to do my best to give this answer when I’m less drunk tomorrow

cmbabul ,

So you’re gonna want do a space+command and type extensions, that should open the App Store to where you want to be, unlock is one of the top extensions.

explore_broaden ,

That’s on macOS, not iOS.

cmbabul ,

It’s on iPadOS too

markon ,

There is one issues though... Firefox is extremely slow and clunky. I hate to say it, but on mobile it is hard to use all the time for me. On desktop I'm Firefox 95% of the time but some sites don't work very well with the much slower JavaScript engine. This isn't to defend Brave or any chromium browser but we gotta get Firefox up to speed.

the16bitgamer ,
@the16bitgamer@lemmy.world avatar

This is on iOS. There is no Firefox (geko) or Chromium, there is only skins of Safari so your point is moot. For now.

RedSeries ,

I feel like Firefox has made some really great strides on the performance front. Especially considering how bloated chrome has gotten as a comparison. But... Yeah that's valid. I love Firefox like 99% of the time but sometimes I'm almost forced to swap to Chrome to get a site to work correctly or reliably.

markon ,

Site devs need to see the threat from browser engine monopolies too. Valve literally started pouring resources into Linux gaming just because Microsoft looked like they were trying to dominate game stores on Windows. Chromium actually dominates the web. I guess at least base chromium is open source. Still though, one of those markets is way bigger than the other and it definitely isn't Linux gaming. (God I love Proton/WINE and how far we've come!)

rambaroo , (edited )

Firefox and chromium both outperform Safari in performance tests, or roughly the same depending on the setup.

It's Safari that's the third rate browser. No one would use that shit if it hadn't been forced on them and if the other vendors weren't restricted by Apple.

There's a reason Apple stopped making Safari for other platforms. It never caught on, 'cause it sucks. Safari can't compete without Apple kneecapping the competition. They're like a sports team that can't win without playing on their home turf at 10000 ft altitude where they pump in crowd noise and drug the other team's gatorade

markon ,

Wow safari is shit. I didn't know it was that far behind. Damn. Well, to be fair my problem is my Pixel 6 is a slow ass buggy Google nightmare product. Firefox probably works fine on a Samsung phone but then I can't install GrapheneOS. Yet I have never bothered so... Samsung and their locked bootloader may be preferable just so Firefox has more hardware to run on lol.

dai ,

Firefox is fine on mobile in my eyes.

At least the Android version, even on my 5 year old Exynos phone it does what I need / want from a browser. Allows (some) extensions, lets me zoom wherever I want to on any page, has a reader mode and is snappy enough on old hardware.

Chrome tries to be / do far too much for me, just fuck off and let me browse the web. I do like the dynamic colours that Chrome on mobile uses on different webpages, is hot.

However Chrome gives me dirty Microsoft vibes, and it's pretty hard to shake that stank.

If your on iOS welcome to the walled garden. Hope you live in the EU.

markon ,

I just have a shitty phone. Lol don't buy a Pixel 6. (Unless you pick it up really cheap for temporary use)

ahriboy , (edited )
@ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Vivaldi and Firefox are better choices.

PS: considering reviewing Brave again. Everyone should contribute to their source code.

hannes3120 ,

Vivaldi is the best!

Currently trying out Floorp as a Firefox fork for the possibility that Google's disabling of adblockers in the manifest will make it impossible to use chromium browsers which is kind of good, too

But Vivaldi rules as long as chromium is an option!

madis ,

Floorp looks nice and customizable, but in terms of updates it doesn't seem very sustainable yet.

hannes3120 ,

I get updates every other week

but I think it's in a weird spot with not having regular English patchnotes - and afaik they also use an older rendering-engine

madis ,

Ahh, now that explains why I just saw a smaller number.

Floorp is based on Firefox ESR. Floorp will be updated every 4 weeks, with security updates provided before each Firefox release.

SeaJ ,

Don't worry, Firefox downloads in the EU have also skyrocketed.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/13/24100066/firefox-saw-an-increase-in-users-following-apples-default-browser-changes-in-the-eu

turkishdelight ,

Wasn't the Brave CEO formerly the Mozilla CEO, back when Mozilla was doing a good job?

jol ,

Yes, until he was ousted for being trash as a person.

turkishdelight ,

and Mozilla has been doing poorly since.

TheGrandNagus ,

Mozilla was doing poorly when he was CEO as well. Google has been doing everything they can to force Chrome.

He was CEO for 11 days and in that time all he did was cause a bunch of websites to show a banner requesting that users install a different browser in order to not support a homophobe.

There was also a boatload of articles about his homophobia that brought Mozilla into disrepute.

turkishdelight ,

The problem is appointing Mozilla leadership based on ideological purity rather than technical merit.

TheGrandNagus , (edited )

Firstly, who says that's happening?

And secondly, this isn't entirely about purity - even if you personally (and I'm not saying this is your view, btw) don't give the slightest fuck about gay people and you're fine with them having fewer rights/fine with others actively trying to strip their rights away - others aren't, and it's harmful to the business.

Eich was CEO for 11 days and achieved nothing other than a Firefox boycott, dozens of negative Firefox headlines, and Firefox being known as the homophobic browser.

Even from a cold-hearted "fuck human rights, I care only about market share" POV, Eich was still an awful CEO decision.

jol ,

Would you hire a bigot to run your company so long as the numbers go up? Fuck that mentality.

Hobbes ,

This is too far down.

PoliticallyIncorrect ,
@PoliticallyIncorrect@lemmy.world avatar

Using Brave since years ago and it goes pretty smooth, good for them but first they should get out of Apple brand tbh.

Halcyon ,
@Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Brave is evil.

pHr34kY ,

That graph is trash. The baseline needs to be at zero.

Ross_audio ,

No it doesn't.

It's meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine. It's not a scientific paper.

It's a 32-34% increase looking at the graph. That's significant enough to shout about.

Imagine any change you could make surprising competition by 25% in any market. That's huge.

SorteKanin ,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine

Define "perfectly fine". It is clearly exaggerating the change. At a glance it looks more like a 5 times increase, not a 30% increase.

ArtVandelay ,
@ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

Of lies, damned lies, and statistics this graph is certainly one of them.

Pantherina ,

True.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1976, if these trends continue...AY!

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/011f2698-843f-4be3-be0e-0017ffd9c1dd.jpeg

geissi , (edited )

It’s a 32-34% increase looking at the graph

But you don't get that percentage from looking at the graph. You get that from looking at the numbers.
The graph height increases by 300% in the last 3 months 9 days.

Hobbes ,

You could say the same about a 0.001 difference if you zoom in on the y-axis. You don't know what you're talking about.

Ross_audio ,

A 0.001 difference on a 0.004 total would be worth showing.

Hobbes ,

That was a bad example. Try 1,000,000 moving up to 1,000,069.

Ross_audio ,

I'm sticking with relevance. A >25% rise is what we're talking about.

Hobbes ,

A 25% raise would show up with the y shits at zero. As would any significant increase.

ArtVandelay ,
@ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

That graph hurts my data scientist heart

Hawk ,

It’s common practice to cut the y axis, did you guys not cover that in visualisation?

agelord ,

Could you please clarify why the baseline needs to be at 0? I'm genuinely curious.

tiny_electron ,

This graph gives the impression that the total installation number has been multipliés x4 or X5 while it is not the case when looking at the raw numbers.

Any variation can look impressive if you zoom enough, that's why you need a baseline at 0. This way you see thé entire scale of the phenomenon

summerof69 ,

This graph gives the impression that the total installation number has been multipliés x4 or X5

How so? It goes from ~7 to ~11. That's not even x2.

geissi ,

It goes from ~7 to ~11. That’s not even x2.

Yes but the graph goes from 2 rectangles above the bottom line to 8 rectangles above the bottom line in that final surge.
So visually, it looks like it has quadrupled.

SwampYankee ,

While I agree for the sake of clarity, a bigger problem is that it only goes back less than 2 months. Has the number of installs been steady at 7k for a long time? Or does it fluctuate wildly like this occasionally for reasons totally unrelated to laws?

geissi ,

I was just clarifying the original comment about the baseline not being 0.
Tbh, I hadn't even looked at it properly and only noticed now that the timeline isn't one month per box.

pHr34kY ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/eaac197d-4b2f-4554-96f3-d882d3cba9c6.jpeg

just_change_it ,

I mean sure I guess... but brave as a browser is atrocious. I don't trust their bullshit at all.

After all who doesn't want a crypto wallet in their browser? that's the safest place for it right?

FauxPseudo ,
@FauxPseudo@lemmy.world avatar

I guess if you have no experience with it then that's a perfect response. Meanwhile I've got $72 worth of BAT in mine and if it vanished I'd be perfectly fine losing money I never actually owned. I donate to DDG and Wikipedia each month with mine. That's money they didn't have so they are fine with that.

I used to have a lot less but this crypto spike has increased it by a lot so my holdings are exceeding my donations. Might need to give away more.

FauxPseudo ,
@FauxPseudo@lemmy.world avatar

I'm seeing a lot of down votes but no counter arguments.

redditReallySucks ,

The axis is somewhat misleading. A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.

Edit: just saw from the comments this is the number of installs per day so its bigger than I thought

4am ,

It’s been one day

Kbobabob ,

Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people are trying it out. I'm curious what the other options look like and how many continue using them after the initial install.

abhibeckert ,

A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.

It's about a third. Imagine if your income went up by 30% in 24 hours, I reckon you'd be pretty happy about that.

Also - it tends to take months for a new version of iOS to reach a large number of users, and years to reach everyone. So a rapid growth rate (probably not 30%, but still fast) is likely to be sustained over quite a while.

banghida ,

They are probably just trying to pump their token with these posts.

anarchy79 ,
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    excitingburp ,

    And once again, I am seriously questioning Apple's privacy claims. Why else would Apple build such a moat around Safari?

    Aatube , (edited )
    @Aatube@kbin.melroy.org avatar

    Same reasons as Internet Explorer, probably

    utopiah ,

    Because they can limit it and thus make app more attractive and keep a 30% cut?

    Voyajer ,
    @Voyajer@lemmy.world avatar

    I've been using Firefox on my android phones for years though, I don't remember it ever being more involved then setting it as default on the popup on first launch.

    hagelslager ,

    Android is a fenced garden compared to the fortress that is iOS.

    fidodo ,

    I guess, but it's like a 2 foot high fence

    TowardsTheFuture ,

    Did the same on iOS… not a huge difference. Download app from store, set as default.

    DrCake ,

    On iOS the browser isn’t really Firefox. It’s just a re-skinned Safari due to apples rules. I think now they are allowed to ship their own engines

    utopiah ,

    They are but it's not ready AFAIK https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1882872

    Can't wait to use it though and be able to install WebExtensions.

    smileyhead ,

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    refurbishedrefurbisher ,

    I'm pretty sure the term jailbreak comes from the term "jail" being used on FreeBSD, which iOS is based on, which is an application sandboxing tool, therefore, a "jailbreak" is a method to escape that sandbox and gain elevated permissions to the system.

    iOS being a jail is a pretty apt analogy, regardless, though.

    Therealgoodjanet ,

    I have been using Firefox as the default browser on my iPhone for a while now. It wasn’t complicated to setup either.

    utopiah ,

    Same here but it's not Firefox with its own Engine, it's a Firefox frontend for WebKit with some of Apple's restriction.

    GenderNeutralBro ,

    There are a bunch of apps that strictly require Chrome for their in-app custom tabs, though. I have to re-install Chrome on occasion because I can't log into apps without it. Also, having Chrome installed at all makes it impossible to NOT set a default browser (i.e. to have it ask every time), which is what I prefer since I use several different browsers for different use cases. (Note: this is on Pixel. Never had that problem on my older phones.)

    smileyhead ,

    While we can, we should reject those sites and program them to the standards.
    Including that some features are optional.

    Appoxo ,

    I have Firefox set up and never was the in-app browser firefox

    How I know? I have dark reader active on those pages and usually websites don't reflect system primary settings.

    GenderNeutralBro ,

    I think it used to be possible to set your default "custom tabs" browser as well, but I don't think it is anymore. I'm not totally sure though.

    I don't know why these apps use custom tabs in the first place. It's always struck me as a solution in search of a problem.

    lanolinoil ,
    @lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

    Hurry USA! Better find some smallish company to sue for anti trust instead of working on any real issues like this

    BradleyUffner ,

    The line starts shooting up before March 6th though...

    Aatube ,
    @Aatube@kbin.melroy.org avatar

    Timezones? The first drastically higher data point seems to be Mar 05

    BentiGorlich ,
    @BentiGorlich@gehirneimer.de avatar

    Brave would definitely not be my choice 😂

    dustyData ,

    Certainly, but it's probably happening for all browsers on iOS right now.

    DoucheBagMcSwag ,

    ....in europe

    state_electrician ,

    That is fine, as long as people have a choice.

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