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OrangeCorvus ,
@OrangeCorvus@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah but Brave? Why not Firefox or Vivaldi.

Aatube ,
@Aatube@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Because it's listed as the first item on the browser choice screen for some reason, probably

TheMinions ,

I mean it’s probably just alphabetical, but I wouldn’t know for sure.

Aatube ,
@Aatube@kbin.melroy.org avatar

The second one is Edge, and Aloha Browser exists

FatCat OP ,
@FatCat@lemmy.world avatar

The list is randomized, I've seen several screenshots with different order.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/903ab9d3-7509-4054-9cb5-004600e04405.png
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/c76fda1a-02cc-4016-be43-6d5c0168cdc2.png

Norgur ,
@Norgur@fedia.io avatar

Forgive them. They aren't used to choosing their browser yet.

OrangeCorvus ,
@OrangeCorvus@lemmy.world avatar

Ok you get a free pass, make sure it doesn't happen again :)

akilou ,

They're Apple users. They aren't used to making any decisions when it comes to how their phones work

Nurgle ,

I’d defend myself, but I work in digital marketing so I’m not going to dissuade anyone from using AdWords.. I mean Android.

BearOfaTime ,

Funny, I see far more ads on iOS than I do Android

KoalaUnknown ,

Where?

akilou ,

Don't tell them about all the different ad blockers we can use!

kameecoding ,

We don't have to, cuz they work 😉

akilou ,

They work the way Apple wants them to

kameecoding ,

They also work how I want them to, well instead of having to fight my own phone, it just works, go figure

rambaroo , (edited )

Oh give me a break with this nonsense. Android has an 80% global market share, your average dipshit uses it just fine. It also "just works" and very frequently works better than iOS.

Safari is a shit tier browser when it comes to web standards and performance. It's hilarious how iOS users try so hard to justify blowing $1000 on a phone when an Android 1/2 of the price does exactly the same thing and is just as easy to use. Why can't you just enjoy your apple garbage without having this weird superiority complex?

kameecoding , (edited )

Uff, projecting a bit aren't we? I didn't start the flame war, the other guy started by shitting on iphone users.

And yes, android phones do the 80% of Iphones for less money, but you know what? Those last 20% I do care about.

Just something as simple as switching my wireless earbuds between my computer and phone seamlessly, compare the experience between android + windows/linux and the experience with Iphone + macbook with airpods.

Small shit like that " just working" makes a huge difference in UX and thats what I care about.

Not sure how Safari being garbage is relevant, so is chrome, I use firefox, so, whatever?

I have has wireless bluetooth earbuds since like 2018, all of them had the issue that if I put my phone in certain pockets they would cut out, etc.

Even my airpods had that issue with my latest OnePlus phone, guess what, never happened once with Iphone, it just works, I don't have to think about which pocket I should be putting my phone into.

The most annoying thing about the Iphone is the keyboard, but I am getting used to it, tried swiftkey, but just as much of a laggy poece of shit as it is on android

akilou ,

Sounds more like Stockholm Syndrome

kameecoding ,

Whatever you need to tell yourself, lol

cmbabul ,

Don’t lump us all in with them, Safari with Adblock extensions on mobile, Firefox everywhere else

strawberry ,
@strawberry@kbin.run avatar

as someone said, its randomised, and I'm sure that other browsers also saw more downloads

hOrni ,

Vivaldi is my go to browser. Brave does a better job with blocking ads. I'm switching to Brave whenever I need to stream something on a site loaded with ads, or when YouTube manages to detect my Adblock for a few days.

AeroLemming ,

I don't like that you can't use the Dark Reader extension on mobile in Vivaldi. I like all of my websites to be dark.

nooneshere ,

I guess it does have a built in dark mode

Appoxo ,

Not like uBlock Origin is a thing?
Can it really get better than that and consent-o-matic?

Cryophilia ,

"This Other Browser is just as good as Brave*!"

*if you install x, y, and z and uninstall a and b

Appoxo , (edited )

You are comparing a tool to a tool-belt in terms of capabilities.

Cryophilia ,

You think Firefox is the only browser that can use extensions and add-ons? Brave just doesn't need them for adblock because it's built in. But, like all chromium browsers, you can use loads of extensions for loads of use cases. Anything that works on Chrome works on Brave.

Resonosity ,

It's maybe a few clicks to find the add-ons store in Firefox then searching "uBlock Origin". Hell, when I switched to Firefox last year, I want to say there was even an onboarding that pointed me to the extension upon setup.

Cryophilia ,

So, back to my original point.

hOrni ,

I am using uBlock Origin on my Vivaldi. It doesn't block everything.

rambaroo ,

It's not supposed to block everything. Neither does brave.

SeaJ , (edited )

Well the Brave Twitter account is likely a bit biased toward the Brave browser. 🙂

I'm sure the others were impacted too.

Edit: Firefox installs jumped 50%.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/13/24100066/firefox-saw-an-increase-in-users-following-apples-default-browser-changes-in-the-eu

turkishdelight ,

Still better than Edge or Chrome

progettarsi ,

firefox sucks for most people and vivaldi it's too complicated to configure + it looks like pure bloat

max ,

Why does it suck though? Works fine for me. Granted, I’m a software engineer, but even looking through my “end user glasses”, I don’t see anything wrong with it.

WarlordSdocy ,

I wouldn't say Firefox sucks but there are definitely some things that made me use Edge occasionally back when I used Firefox as my main browser. It was mainly stuff like a webpage that doesn't support Firefox and extensions not having a Firefox version. Which sure aren't problems with FireFox, it's more a problem of it not having enough adoption, but to an end user if the thing they wanna use doesn't work in FireFox but works in Chrome then that's FireFox's fault.

max ,

I’ve used edge before my university disabled profile syncing (only reason I was using it, to be honest). Edge was fine. Switched to Firefox just to see how it is nowadays, never looked back. Honestly, can’t think of any extension I’m missing. Got quite a few myself, but probably not the same niche as you.
So far I haven’t encountered broken websites yet. Fingers crossed to keep it that way. Though I’ll probably steer clear of such a website unless absolutely necessary.

latetolemmy ,

Granted, I’m a software engineer,

Lmao love how you inserted "software engineer" there like that supposed to mean something.

max ,

In this context, maybe it kinda does. We tend to be techies, so a bit more accustomed to shitty UI/UX than most users.

anarchy79 ,
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    SeaJ ,

    I have very few issues with Firefox. I fine across a site that does not render properly maybe once every other month. I did have some resource issues with it in Windows 10 with it using too much RAM (regularly using 3-4GB) but that has been fixed since I switch to Linux.

    progettarsi ,

    every site i use is slow af in librewolf (basically firefox) and also uses a lot of resources more than chromium based browsers

    RmDebArc_5 ,
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    Vivaldi is extremely slow on IOS and 2gb+ big. Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock. Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.

    herpaderp ,

    You can get one but not the other. Orion has been pretty solid for me, has all the lovey iOS integration so the happy chemicals Apple spent R&D on does it’s magic while blocking all sorts of things, but it’s closed source :/

    abhibeckert , (edited )

    Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.

    Um, Safari is so privacy friendly that Google regularly asks me if I'm human. For example it has "private relay" which is similar to TOR* so trackers don't even know your IP address — combine that with blocking third party cookies (and even some first party cookies) by default and providing false data to fight fingerprinting even if you don't block trackers entirely - and blocking them entirely is as simple as installing an extension. Private Relay also adds a layer of encryption on top of DNS queries and otherwise unencrypted http traffic.... so your ISP/Cellular provider/Work/School/abusive husband/etc can't track you

    99.99% of the Safari's code is FOSS — dual licensed under LGPL and BSD.

    It's not the browser I use - pretty lacking in the feature department, but it's definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I've never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.

    (* if anything, it's better than TOR... with that service there's a risk your entry/exit nodes are tracking you. With Private Relay it's always one of Apple's servers for the entry node and a reputable cloud company like Akamai for the exit node. Both would have to be compromised in order to identify you... maybe a nation state can do that, but a big data tracking company definitely can't)

    smolyeet ,

    I mean they did say few. Generally speaking, every browser is basically safari (WebKit) on iOS and apple doesn’t allow support for 3rd party browser extensions (least natively, Orion supports this somehow). So you’re already limited in that regard. If you don’t use safari , a browser like FF + VPN is IMO a better experience. You also have the option of just using wireguard and controlling your traffic at home/VPS if you’re into that.

    WebKit might be open source but the browser deployed by apple is not. That’s like saying chrome is open source. They both use open source engines.

    Muehe ,

    it’s definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I’ve never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.

    You have this backwards. Google showing you captchas is basically them saying they can't match your browser to any know (shadow) profile they have already stored. So they aren't sure you are a human and if so which one specifically. Getting harassed with a captcha is essentially like a badge of honour for your browsers privacy settings.

    explore_broaden ,

    No they don’t, that’s exactly what they said. Safari makes them do CAPTCHAs so it is the most privacy friendly. It is true that it has better blocking features than Firefox on iOS (because Firefox doesn’t have extensions).

    rambaroo ,

    Firefox is deliberately gimped by Apple on iOS, along with every other browser. It's not a fair comparison. It's basically Safari without a ton of extra features that Mozilla was never going to be allowed to implement, which is why the EU decided Apple was being anti-competitive.

    Firefox doesn't even need extensions to match Safari, but it does need gecko and all the settings it supports on other platforms.

    Apple is a shady company and trusting them with your data is a big mistake.

    explore_broaden ,

    I don’t disagree that Firefox is deliberately gimped, and it’s built in blocking features on desktop match Safari on iOS. I’m not sure I really agree that Apple is a “shady company,” in many respects they are doing a good job with end to end encryption and ensuring that they don’t have access to your data in the first place (not to excuse their extreme walled garden approach, which stifles competition and limits good options like Firefox [real Firefox] with uBlock Origin [or uMatrix]).

    Muehe ,

    Oh you are right, I misread that. Thanks for pointing it out.

    explore_broaden ,

    No problem

    explore_broaden ,

    Private relay is more like a VPN than tor.

    rambaroo , (edited )

    Man imagine being so far up apples butt that you actually think Safari is safer than tor

    Muehe ,

    Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock.

    That's because so far every browser on iOS had to use WebKit as it's HTML rendering engine, meaning that even if you installed another browser manually you were basically still using Safari under the hood. IIRC the new DMA rules include allowing other browser engines like Gecko, so Mozilla is probably already working on making addons available. I mean they are available on Android, so why wouldn't they make them available on iOS now that they finally can?

    RmDebArc_5 ,
    @RmDebArc_5@lemmy.ml avatar

    I wouldn’t be sure because of how stupid Apples compliance is. But if they do I would definitely switch. I guess it’s just going to be Firefox focus until then.

    turkalino ,
    @turkalino@lemmy.yachts avatar

    Because it blocks ads out of the box. I know its new tab screen causes a lot of y’all’s buttholes to clench because it mentions cryptocurrency, but there are harder things to ignore

    Gerudo ,

    Careful, if you try to advocate or defend Brave on Lemmy, you're stepping on a minefield.

    turkalino ,
    @turkalino@lemmy.yachts avatar

    Idk if I would advocate for or defend it, but I find mobile ads especially abhorrent cuz they take up more relative space on the screen and my upload speed isn’t good enough to be VPNing through my pihole anytime I’m outside the house

    iOS browsers are just skins for Safari anyways, and Brave addresses my issue out of the box, so yeah

    refurbishedrefurbisher ,

    Vivaldi is a proprietary rebranding of Chromium. Can't say I'd recommend it over (or in addition to) Firefox.

    We need less forks of Chromium. Any one company (Google in this case) having total control over browser engines is dangerous, and is a big reason why the whole Apple/Safari/Webkit situation is such a big deal to begin with.

    Technus ,

    Remember kids, if it's Chromium based, it's still part of the problem. The Chromium project only exists to provide the illusion of choice. Don't let Google have the power to dictate web standards at will.

    Scrollone ,

    The worrisome thing is that there's no alternative other than Firefox, or Safari on Apple platforms. Every single other browser is Chromium.

    We must defend Firefox at all costs, it's the last glimmer of freedom.

    zarenki ,

    Every single other browser is Chromium.

    One exception I'm aware of: GNOME Web (aka epiphany-browser) uses WebKitGTK, which is based on Apple's WebKit rather than Google's Chromium/Blink. But it's Linux desktops first and foremost. Not on mobile platforms, not exactly intended for Windows (might be usable with Cygwin/WSL) or macOS (seems to be on MacPorts) either, and even on non-GNOME desktops like KDE it might seem a bit out of place.

    I daily drive Firefox but Epiphany is my first choice fallback on the rare occasion I encounter a site that's broken on Firefox.

    OrangeCorvus ,
    @OrangeCorvus@lemmy.world avatar

    True but if you use Vivaldi and then you try to go back to Firefox, it's like going back in the early 2000s. I always say this, Firefox should have been like Vivaldi. Super customizable and packed with features. Instead you have to rely on extensions and thus put your trust in the creator of said extension that they will not sell it. Heck even with extensions, trying to mimic the new tab page from Vivaldi is a masterclass in patience.

    topinambour_rex ,
    @topinambour_rex@lemmy.world avatar

    Firefox +50% in Germany, +30% in France

    latetolemmy ,

    Cause Firefox is trash and Mozilla a shell of their former selves?

    Also it's so liberating to speak your mind without caring what some scrub with his sweaty fingers on the downvote button thinks

    nooneshere ,

    Vivaldi is proprietary bullcrap. I don't know why people keep sucking their dick

    Ghostalmedia ,
    @Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

    Does that default browser screen allow you to install with setting the OS default?

    WolfLink ,

    Misleading graph trying to make a 150% increase look like a 1000% increase.

    eager_eagle ,
    @eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

    that's a ~40% increase looking like a 300% increase

    SchmidtGenetics ,

    Read the left side? 7k-11k, the removed useless information, provided you read what is actually there first.

    strawberry ,
    @strawberry@kbin.run avatar

    no one reads that. didn't even bother to look. should be more transparent IMO but whatever

    SchmidtGenetics ,

    If you don’t how are you supposed to know what information it’s telling you? It could shades of purple for all you know.

    strawberry ,
    @strawberry@kbin.run avatar

    well yea but this also isn't like important stuff so I didn't bother looking

    SchmidtGenetics ,

    So keep your idiocy to yourself next time.

    strawberry ,
    @strawberry@kbin.run avatar

    you say that as if everyone analyses every aspect of everything they encounter. most people will glance at the graph, see a huge jump, and not look into it more. that's why statistics are so easy to falsify or make misleading

    SchmidtGenetics ,

    If you want to engage in a conversation or use that information, yes you should properly read it. What could possibly be added to a discussion otherwise? Just having people have to correct and call out your bullshit? Lmfao.

    Since you are engaging in comments within a post about this, everyone would assume you read the graph properly, since you obviously can’t add to a conversation without actually knowing the information.

    So yes, leave your idiocy elsewhere next time, read the shit, or don’t add your opinion, really simple concept.

    GreyEyedGhost ,

    If you realize how most people act and think, you can tell them lies while telling the truth. Which is what people are usually trying to do when they start graphs away from zero.

    SchmidtGenetics , (edited )

    Or it’s removing white space so you can actually see the difference in the data. Like stocks, if stocks started at zero, you wouldn’t be able to see day to day or even a week to week difference…. Not everything can be covered by general rules.

    You can only properly understand the data by reading it, if you glance at it and make assumptions and conclusions, that only speaks volumes about yourself.

    GreyEyedGhost ,

    If counting from 1 to eleven is too hard for you, I don't think observing that the scale is from 7 to 11 is within your grasp. So, why do this. Absolutely, there are reasons to not start a scale from zero, stocks are a great example, but I don't think those reasons apply to this graph or the information they're trying to convey.

    SchmidtGenetics ,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f1edd8ac-cd43-48af-b06d-4121d1f27052.png

    Yeah… it just doesn’t work with the given information, there is actually a reason why they specifically posted the other one….

    doublejay1999 ,
    @doublejay1999@lemmy.world avatar

    Welcome to the transparency of Brave !

    kyub ,

    That doesn't surprise me, and yes it was always because of anti-competitive practices, so I'm all for more neutrality, I'll just add 2 shower thoughts:

    1. Seeing that Brave is at the top of the browser list, I wonder how many selected Brave just because it's at the top of the list and thought that this must be a good choice then, not because they actually like Brave.
    2. It's nice to have such a thing for browsers, but it would have to be expanded to other apps as well, e.g. mail client. Oh well, maybe in another 10 years or so.
    FatCat OP ,
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    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/446f2ff9-3584-43db-b9f8-f0890782442e.png

    ianovic69 ,
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    Cool icon? iOS users? Surely not!

    314xel ,
    @314xel@lemmy.world avatar

    The position is randomized.

    prograhammingdev ,

    Chart is a little misleading starting at 7% instead of zero, but still a nice surge nevertheless.

    matticusrex ,

    Is that 7% or 7,000 installs total? The axis isn’t labeled!!

    Pirky ,
    @Pirky@lemmy.world avatar

    I see a k following the numbers, so I'm assuming that's total number of downloads.

    matticusrex ,

    Article states installs per day

    FatCat OP ,
    @FatCat@lemmy.world avatar

    True. Other people asked so they posted another one.

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/bde8014c-5953-4c7c-bab5-696e6179a0ab.png

    IzzyScissor ,

    IMO, this makes it look even worse.

    Cqrd ,

    That's why they started with the one they did

    anarchy79 ,
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    Pirky ,
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    Even then, this is still a solid 30-40% increase in downloads. That's statistically significant right there.

    pHr34kY ,

    Worse, or... "better"?

    steersman2484 ,

    Does not look as nice, but is way less misleading

    scarabic ,

    The total numbers are so small that the shape of the line barely matters. 7-10k installs daily? In the mobile browser market? There are plant identification apps with better numbers.

    Kinglink ,

    Not even seven percent. Lol. Seven thousand which is probably like .0001 percent.

    the_kung_fu_emu ,
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    That's new daily installs though, so cumulative number. I don't think they're trying to draw a comparison, just show the increase.

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