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My opinion on Bone conduction earphones

(Sorry if it's a miss, this community looked the most fitting)

After mentioning them somewhere in comments, I actually bought Shokz after years of sitting curious. There are a few brands that do them, so it doesn't matter what's the brand is. I bought what I've heard of and the cheapest model I could find at that.

So, what's the trick? As I'm cycling, walking and running a lot, I needed a headphone solution to be aware of my surroundings. They don't cover ears and don't actually emmit sound - they vibrate and make your bones serve as a membrane.

The obvious minus is that in a bus or other loud setting you can't hear shit. That's by design. And, logically but somehow absurdly, by shutting your ear with a finger, you can make yourself hear it okay. I did a full circle here, returning to the old headphones isolation problem, heh.

But what impressed me more, they do feel like some kind of a cyberpunk prosthetic. You can wear them all day and even the cheapest one that promises 6hr of activity lasts days on the idle. But as you call someone or watch a vid – here they are, with a little to no latency. Honestly, I feel like if there'd be implants, that's one of the basic ones we can try first. It's hands-free device with a bonus of being more stealthy and not isolating you from the world.

As a cheapskate audiophile who stayed with cords for a long time, I can say that the sound is okay. Keeping in mind that producers can't control the skull of a wearer, they can't nail the ideal sound, but I'm impressed with how nice IDM and metal plays on them - something akin to budget Senh, AKG and Audiotechnica. And unlike cheap Sony, they don't put up low freqs, that's a plus. BUT when I shared it with others, people in body reported less effectiveness due to thickness of skin and under-dermal stuff, so it's better to test it if you aren't skinny as a skeleton.

After being so open about plus sides, I'm to talk minuses. Since the software is proprietary, it doesn't have many controls and is very weird sometimes. As I bought a model that was for internal chinese market originally, it talked to me in Chinese, and it can only be switched to another language before any pairing, so only after unpairing I could've chosen English – and the same combination of button presses when paired was reserved to calling the last called number, so I fucked up a lazy weekend morning for a friend of mine calling them 4-5 times, damn it. Ah, and it supports dual pairing with a PC and a smartphone, but as I tested it this function worked weird and I sometimes manually disconnected them. Walking&working distance from a source device is around the second or third room, that fits most office and home listening cases. I could've probably wished for it to have an option to pick lesser distance since I don't usually have even a meter between my smartphones and them.

Ah, and going back to the bus problem - the obvious downside that you want to turn them to 100% volume that you don't feel, but your ears do. After the first day when I needed to move a lot in loud contexts and thus put them on max, I had a headache, because although I didn't register the volume, my head had a first row concert experience. So if you use these, keep that in mind too.

Have you tried them, is there a topic I haven't covered? As you can tell, I'm happy with them, so I would be biased. It's just with VR stuff, even from Apple, I feel like we underlook existing tech that already serves us as expander of our life experiences and powers.

Mexigore ,

I also have the same headphones and they are great I just have two complaints listening at loud volumes, which I don't do often would physically hurt my bones. And also phones calls also hurt my bones.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

How long did it took to start happening? Right at the beginning or after some time? I haven't felt that yet, but it sounds very important for that thread. Do you have some health condition amplifying it?

Mexigore ,

I mean I just avoid having phone calls hahaha. Its always been an issue for me and I don't believe to have a medical condition that could affect it

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

I'm sure DankPods made a video about bone conduction headphones on YouTube. He tested 3 different models from different manufacturers and... well, he had quite a lot to say about them, especially when comparing them to sunglasses that are also headphones.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Can you post a link? There's a lot of bad and good stories about them in this thread. It'd be great if persons considering these devices would read them first.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar
andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Thanks for delivering it. I liked that vid, but surprisingly not only for comparison of different pairs, but for introducing me to headphoneXsunglasses device. This concept left me in LOLWUT state for minutes (:

Voran ,

I like the idea but they just don't work on me. I seem to have super dense and thick bone around my inner ear. The sound just doesn't conduct.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Could you potentially be wearing them wrong? They should sit just in front of the ear hole (below and behind the cheekbone). If you get a chance to try them again, try moving them around a bit, it could be that your face bones are just unique enough to get in the way of the default orientation.

Voran ,

I have a fairly hefty ridge of bone there. Not a lot of sound conduction possible.

lapping6596 ,

I love my shokz. I first got them back when the brand was still called aftershokz. I live in the NE US and they can handle me running in the coldest, hottest, and wettest weather no problem.

To fix the main 'con' of sometimes wanting to close out the sound of the world I carry Loops Quiet ear plugs. Basically reusable silicon ear plugs.

KillerWhale ,

Loved mine for cycling, podcasts and general use until the ear piece speaker snapped off.

macattack ,

When cycling, did you find that they worked as good as or better than noise canceling earbuds to reduce wind?

KillerWhale ,

They don't reduce wind noise at all. Your ears are completely open and the speaker rests on your cheek. This is for your safety as a cyclist or runner so you can hear traffic noise, that dog barking, pedestrians etc. I would not wear isolating or not cancelling headphones on a bicycle.

Asafum ,

Oooooo. I might try these! I'm not a cyclist, but I have a bit of an anxiety issue where I can't have a sense completely cut off from the outside. I feel very uncomfortable when I have both ears covered and can't really sense my environment.

I really want a VR set, but I know I won't like having my vision cut off from "reality." Stupid anxiety lol

macattack ,

Gotcha. I almost exclusively ride on a bike path so it doesn't quite fit my needs, but I'll keep an eye out for them regardless

sugar_in_your_tea ,

It's still good to hear "on your left" or whatever even if cars aren't a concern. I ride almost exclusively in a bike path and I really like my bone conduction headphones. I mostly listen to audiobooks and podcasts, so a bit of background noise is rarely an issue.

Evotech ,

I love my shockz. Literally been daily driving a pair for 4 years now. Even bought the new version even though my old ones are fine. So now I have two pairs. Of the most expensive ones

They do really last forever. Also nice in an office setting, allowing me to listen to stuff while being able to communicate with the people around me and I think people feel like I'm more approachable than with something in my ear

Might not be for everyone but it's great

myrrh , (edited )

...my original aftershox aeropex eventually developed a stereo imbalance after about four years of daily (all day) use, but they were fantastic for a collaborative office environment where other headphones get in the way; i recently replaced them with shox openrun pro which offer improved bass response but are otherwise nearly indistinguishable (although i prefer the original UI voice)...

...of course they're not high-fidelity headphones, but especially with the improved bass i find myself enjoying music in a way nothing short of speakers can replicate in a shared workspace; i just forget that they're there more often than not...

...they make for transparently fluent remote conferences, too: it's kind of funny, since i brought mine into the studio after the pandemic, they caught on and now half our office wears them...

uid0gid0 ,

I have the H2O Audio and they work pretty much the same. I got this pair for listening to music while I swim and they are fantastic for that. They last a long time on one charge and loading songs is easy as plugging it in to a computer. Another reason I got these is because occlusion sounds really bother me. I also carry some of those cheap foam earplugs for really noisy environments like plane flights. The foam earplugs don't have nearly the same occlusion sounds and they block enough noise that you can hear the induction.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Haven't heard of this brand. Sounds fitting for your usecase.

Loading songs – you mean they act as a player themselves?

uid0gid0 ,

Yes it has some storage built in, enough for about 10 songs. Water blocks em signals quite well so you couldn't use Bluetooth with any reliability in the water. The mic on these is garbage however, probably because of the waterproofing.

MystikIncarnate ,

I've had several pairs of aftershokz, almost all of them Bluetooth. Most recently I was gifted a pair of openrun pro. Shokz has made significant improvement since the first generation. I would put their modern versions on par with fairly average earbuds, with a notable bass drop off as the most significant audio fidelity issue.

They're massively convenient. They sound rather good apart from the missing low end, and they're easy to make into an all day wear.

I've worn headsets on top of my trekz, glasses, even headphones (don't ask). They're not the most comfortable when you have stuff on top of them, pushing them into your skull, but that's expected.

Most people don't notice I'm wearing them.

Honestly, 10/10 for convenience.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

I also put headphones over them a couple of times. Two devices limit is not so convinient when you have a home PC, then office PC, your phone and sometimes even a tablet\handheld console. I feel like it's the next thing they can improve to create an incentitive to buy a new pair of those.

MystikIncarnate ,

Just a thought, but BT transmitters are a thing, you could pull in audio from several sources and pipe it to a transmitter and use it that way.... Though, that would kind of defeat the purpose, IMO.

geography082 ,

Have these Chinese devices been tested / approved by any reasonable governmental health organism?.

Dkarma ,

They're headphones not nukes. Calm down grandpa

geography082 ,

Don’t give Americans ideas dude, they will nuke away everyone’s head. Ah sorry they dead it already :D

Dariusmiles2123 ,

Well since it’s apparently something using your bones to conduct sound, I’d say it’s legitimate to ask if it’s safe or if it can lead to long term harm.

Same with all the waves emitted by phones, earbuds, WiFi, etc..

exanime ,

I doubt you could buy headphones today that are not "Chinese devices"

geography082 ,

Just add it designed in California and it is good

wagoner ,

Health organism? You mean a human being?

geography082 ,

No, hamsters

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

In this very post I pointed out that you don't register the volume if there's a loud noise around you, that can cause headaches. As people buy them from official stores, I guess they are as safe as usual headphones. And this problem is usually dealt with on source device's end – my chinese phone shows a notification if I exceed the recomended volume and if I use headphones for too long.

mp3 ,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

I use cheap-ass ones I bought on AliExpress when I need to wear earplugs like mowing the lawn or using the snowblower.

They're doing the job at least.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

What else we need from them anyway? (:

realitista ,

I've been giving these more and more of a thought lately. I like the idea that you can just leave them on and not worry about taking them out to hear things.

Only question. Can people near you hear them at all? Like on a plane?

ace_garp , (edited )
@ace_garp@lemmy.world avatar

In a quiet setting, with the headphones raised to 70-100% volume, people within 1-2m will be able to make out what you are listening too.

(This is with Aeropex from Aftershockz/AKA Shockz)

Keep in mind, at 100% volume they buzz and tickle on your skin, so I never have them set to 100% ever.

60-70% is clear enough for enjoyable listening.

ace_garp , (edited )
@ace_garp@lemmy.world avatar

A note about the Aeropex (and possible other Aftershockz/Shockz models) is that the volume-adjust-beep and bluetooth-connect-voice is very loud and cannot be adjusted.

mostNONheinous ,

This is my one true complaint, I have tinnitus already and that beep including the volume beep are what feels like 2-3 times louder than I ever have the volume set.

ace_garp ,
@ace_garp@lemmy.world avatar

I try to connect it before putting on my head. Also, to pull the pads off ear or put the whole thing around neck, before doing a volume change.
For an absolutely amazing headphone experience, this is a regrettable annoyance.

Evotech ,

Yeah I did send them a message about that. Please fix in next firmware version lol

realitista ,

So at normal listening volumes no one can hear, but it sounds like normal listening volumes aren't good enough for a plane?

korazail ,

I've combined these headphones with earplugs for a plane trip. Engine roar overpowers the sound for bone conducting headphones the same way it does for earbuds or headphones that don't isolate. You might still need to crank the volume up, though. Planes are loud. No issue of other people overhearing it at that point though.

lucas ,
@lucas@fitt.au avatar

@realitista @andrew_bidlaw they're really not good in loud places like a plane (for you) in my experience the person you're on a call with will hear you just fine, but being open-ear designs they just can't compete with jets.

They are very good for having background music going in offices and such - you can hear it, but you can have conversations over it without any trouble

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

From my experience it's not louder on max volume than simple earbuds put out of ear. They have metal details, so they do serve as little membranes, but I don't find them significant. I'm listening to a lot of problematic stuff on a daily basis and didn't have any weird looks. Most people didn't even recognize I'm listening to something in a calm office setting.

667 ,
@667@lemmy.radio avatar

I went into my pair of bone conducting headphones (I have Shokz) understanding their purpose, namely that they are not for an audiophile level sound experience; they are for being able to be active and hear music or audiobooks while maintaining situational awareness.

Once I discovered I could use mine in the shower, I was hooked.

Can’t do that with my Bose.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

A minor nuance: besides difference in battery power, different Shokz also have different standards of water resistance. My lowest tier shields it from rain, sweat, minor water exposure - and I tested it all. But standing in the shower or swimming for a long time is safer with higher tier models, and they are certified accordingly. I don't know if it's actually true, but they say so on their website.

minyakcurry ,

Excuse me, I see a fellow IDM enjoyer. Any recommendations for me?

7heo ,

I'm not one for labeling music in genres, so I'll write my answer in two parts: the "canonical" information, with artists documented as "IDM" artists on Wikipedia, and the "personal" information, which I think fits the so called "IDM" genre, but don't quote me on that, I wouldn't really know. This is "best effort".

Canonical answer:

Orbital, aphex twin, and boards of Canada come to mind, but that's more for the curious casual reader of this thread, as I'm sure you already know them. Also John Tejada, Carbon Based Lifeforms, Moderat, which are less known.

Personal answer:

I dunno if I would say that they fit in "IDM", but I really enjoy the music of the artist Siriusmo. Also (in no particular order, all this could be hit or miss for you, so don't dismiss it all because you don't like one) Sasha, Kaito, Ernest Saint Laurent, Vessels, Barker & Baumecker, and pretty much everything under the labels monkeytown and Kompakt (respectively based in Berlin and Koln). I'm not sure where the genre lines stop tho, so you might add Nick Warren, Phil k, Dave seaman, John Digweed, etc. to that. Labels renaissance (the British one) and Global Underground.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

I'm a simple man, I put Shobaleader One Boiler Room live session on repeat and bathe in pure joy. It's Squarepusher's old hits but played with a band of his fellow musical maniacs who can make previously programmed polyrhitms look as easy as breathing. There's a lot of bright flashes, so be aware. Also, he himself plays a bass guitar, the usually overlooked instrument he himself uses a lot, and do it passionately.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=d-j_D-O1vwM

Bruncvik ,
@Bruncvik@lemmy.world avatar

A bit late to the game, but for what it's worth, my experience with the Shockz. I run about 6-7 hours per week, and listen exclusively to audiobooks. As a result, I can't comment on the sound quality, but I do have some other observations.

Pros:

  • Waterproof. I've been running for more than a decade before I got the Shockz, and no earphones lasted more than 6 months in the local rain. No such issue with these headphones.
  • Not falling off. By their design, they would not fall off, unlike any and all earbuds I ever tried. I may have weird ears in this regard, but I had to learn to run with a hat or headband to keep earbuds in place.
  • Spatial awareness. Excellent at keeping me aware of my surroundings.
  • Good battery life. A single charge lasts me through the week, and a quick partial emergency charge can carry me over the next 2-hour run. In addition, the "battery low" status actually works well. With any other brand of earbuds, from Mpow to Anker, once I got the "battery low" warning, I had about 20 minutes of charge left. So, going for a long run at "battery medium" was always a gamble. With the Shockz, I never ran out of charge when I started at "battery medium", even on my long runs.

Cons:

  • Not too comfortable. I have a big head, and even so the band behind my head is standing off enough that I can't wear my hat over it. So, in winter it's earbuds, held in place and waterproofed by my hat.
  • A bit too quiet. Everything, including the persistent wind here, is interfering with the sound. So, for audiobooks, I have to process them in mp3gain to around 95 dB, and then play them at max. This, however, may be more related to my mp3 player; I didn't do an analysis of it yet.
  • The controls are weird. My sense of touch is not too good, so pressing the controls while the Shockz are on my head is a futile exercise. I just can't feel the buttons properly, so I have to take off the headphones and see which button I'm pushing.

I didn't test them with music or calls yet (for the latter, I'd have to pair them to my phone), so can't comment on those features.

CaptPretentious ,

I'm partial deaf... These let me hear music in a way I never could. I remember being in a quiet place and listened to an audio sample... Hearing an instrument on my bad side was like listening to it for the first time. Hearing in stereo is just wild when you have only heard in mono your whole life

Jaroneko ,

That's awesome! I wish I could've used this information with my dad, who was partially deaf, to try if it could've helped him. Unfortunately he passed away some years ago so we'll never know. I'll keep this in mind though, so I can suggest it to others.

Natanael ,

It can work when the nerves are intact but the bone in the ear (or another external mechanical part of the ear) is damaged. Won't work for somebody with deafness due to nerve damage

Akasazh ,
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Beethoven had the same condition. He had a special bracket mounted to his piano he could bite on, in order to make his skull resonate, hence him being able to hear the music again.

shrugs ,

For real? Never heard of that. Super interesting if they did shit like that back then

Akasazh ,
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mudmaniac ,

Microtia? If yes then here is a tiny fistbump.

Yeah. Hearing Piano was really new for me.

andrew_bidlaw OP ,
@andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works avatar

Haven't thought about that, wow. I'm happy for you.

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