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Jimmyeatsausage ,

2 years later, the car is released. It is made from lead to protect from radiation, has a range of 7 miles, and costs $112k for the base model.

Blackmist ,

He does know he can just hire more people and have them work shifts, right?

WHYAREWEALLCAPS ,

He is well aware. But if he did that he'd make maybe one tenth of a percent less and we can't have that!

Sensitivezombie ,

This guy probably thinks he's doing his employees a favor by paying them for the work they perform for him

dangblingus ,

Sounds like a shitty boss. Also, I think OHSA is gonna have a field day with this.

WaxiestSteam69 ,

Once the courts are done with federal agencies Deals won't have to worry about OSHA.

NeoNachtwaechter ,

Articles that start with "Elon Musk says..." 😄

This category of articles is getting more and more hilarious recently.

winterayars ,

Man i don't wanna buy a car made by people who aren't sleeping in a bed. Come on, now.

kent_eh ,

Tesla's quality control is already shit.

Imagine how much worse it could get if the workers are even more sleep deprived.

LaggyKar ,
@LaggyKar@programming.dev avatar

And the conditions are still better than what the collective agreements would require?

Kbobabob ,

Yes

steve_floof ,

Tesla already has the highest accident risk, are they trying to increase their lead?

JoeKrogan ,
@JoeKrogan@lemmy.world avatar

Because fuck family time ... This dude wants slaves. He can get fucked

Facelesscog ,

It's only a matter of time before one of the mega-corps figures out how to lease prisoners as cheap and expendable workers.

lolcatnip ,

That has been happening for a long time already.

indomara ,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/12/12/alabama-prison-labor-lawsuit/

It's already been going on for decades.

Nfamwap ,

Old habits die hard

goferking0 ,

Why do you think he wants to get to mars quickly

macrocephalic ,

Where do you think his seed money came from?

GBU_28 ,

Anyone qualified to work on his production line can work on another. Or many many other mechanical/production roles.

I question anyone who would work those hours, sleep in the facility, accept the oats, and still whine.

GladiusB , (edited )
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

The problem is who is hiring. Tesla's factory is the only big factory in an area where there are not other big car factories. Good luck finding another job in the area of Fremont.

GBU_28 ,

Understood, but I'm saying ultimately these are skilled, desirable workers who should be seeking new opportunities NOW

obinice ,
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Damn, he's admitting his company is so close to collapse that everyone will have to literally sleep on the floor there just to try to save the business?

Bold move.

steve_floof ,

It worked for Twitter, right…. Right…?

ilmagico ,

There are rumors that it could come without a steering wheel or any pedals to lower costs

Ehm what? Full self driving (and self crashing)??

GoodEye8 ,

Unless they found another legal loophole this will not happen. The reason Tesla can public test their FSD is because, legally, it's only autonomous level 2 and the responsibility falls on the driver. But autonomous level 2 also requires the steering wheel because the driver is supposed to keep their hands on the wheel at all times. No wheel means no level 2 and no level 2 means stricter regulations and stricter regulations most likely means higher costs.

ApeNo1 ,
@ApeNo1@lemm.ee avatar

Lots of interesting articles and research talking about the problem of many CEOs exhibiting psychopathic traits but it being accepted. For example.

https://fortune.com/2021/06/06/corporate-psychopaths-business-leadership-csr/

“Our culture also glorifies and rewards successful leaders who may lie somewhere on the spectrum of psychopathy or who, if not actually psychopathic, nevertheless display traits that psychopathic individuals frequently have. The problem, of course, is that while psychopaths may have a lot of charisma and creativity, they may also lack, as already mentioned, socially important qualities such as empathy and morality.”

the_q ,

Yeah this is why there is so much suffering under capitalism.

SendMePhotos ,

Preach

Anamnesis ,

The key thing is that it's not our culture, it's the material interests of the rich that elevate psychopaths to power. The culture follows.

aniki ,

This country was founded on rich assholes who didnt like the monarchy. It's always been about greed. You think the starving plebs gave a fuck about tea in a harbor?

Voroxpete ,

You say that as if capitalism doesn't exist outside of the USA.

TrueStoryBob ,

Yeah, it does exist elsewhere; I think the point they're making is that it is apparent the United States was founded specifically for the interests of landowning (and slave owning) rich people. While not unique globally, the USA was probably the first country intentionally founded to protect the capitalist instead of the nobility or a religious group.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

I do! I want some of that forbidden jungle juice in the boastan haabar!

dejected_warp_core ,

rich assholes who didnt like the monarchy.

Rich assholes who felt the monarchy was taking their money. All talk of justification aside, it's entirely possible they took this stance simply because they were 3000 miles away, with a dangerous ocean crossing required to close that gap, and felt that made ignoring the tax bill worth the risk.

KingThrillgore ,
@KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml avatar

And as we saw with the "My 0th Blender Model (because we all know your first model is a somewhat decent donut)," these people have no creativity.

dejected_warp_core ,

Yup. Sadly, having broken moral compass and lacking empathy can be obscenely profitable in the right circles. I honestly think that's all that is propping these guys up anymore.

Also, we used to attribute "boldness" to psycopaths/sociopaths but it turns out that's bunk and they're really "just mean". So the apologists out there have, yet again, one less thing to work with. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/202201/no-there-are-no-benefits-psychopathy

solrize ,

Instead of new car smell, it will have Elon Musk.

crystalmerchant ,

Wasn't the model 3 supposed to be the affordable version

TheFriar ,

Is $25k affordable? How much are cars? 25k sounds like a fuckload of money.

greybeard ,

For a new car? $25k is a pretty low price, at least in the US. My car was $24k new 10 years ago. It wasn't particularly special then.

Peppycito ,
@Peppycito@sh.itjust.works avatar

Supposedly my 2016 Corolla was 25k I think. But after all the fees and taxes and shit I feel like it was closer to 30k. All I know for real was that it was about $10/day for 7 years.

*Canadian $

MedicPigBabySaver ,
@MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world avatar

$25K for a full electric car is the lowest price ever in the U.S.

I paid $21K for a used gasoline Honda Civic coupe just 2 years ago.

the_q ,

Chevy Bolt was under $25k before the $7500 credit. Now the same car is $40k.

NewNewAccount ,

How much do you think a new car costs?

LemmyKnowsBest ,

about as much as a banana, Michael

empty04 ,

So, what, I don't know, $10?

Iwasondigg ,

Go see a Star War.

SparrowRanjitScaur ,

Some people pay like $60-80k for those big trucks you see

xpinchx ,

I live in a shitty neighborhood. The amount of Audi, bmw, Porsche SUVs is crazy.

greybeard ,

The trick is, luxury cars drop in value insanely fast. A 2 year old Audi is often about the same price as a new Honda. The problem these people don't account for is maintenance costs. They think they are getting a deal, then they are getting dragged down by an unreliable vehicle that they can't afford to fix.

TrueStoryBob ,

They think they are getting a deal, then they are getting dragged down by an unreliable vehicle that they can't afford to fix.

If memory serves, the outliers here are Lexus and Audi which both score high on reliability ratings. I could be wrong though, is been a couple of years since I looked into owning a car.

greybeard ,

True, Lexus is a Toyota brand, and at least historically shared a lot of parts with Toyota cars, so maintenance wasn't always crazy. In the case of Audi, they might be quite reliable, but I know repairs/maintenance, when needed, is very expensive.

WaxiestSteam69 ,

Lexus is probably highly reliable but Audi's have the same problem as other German makes- tons of cheap plastic under the hood that disintegrates at around the 5 year mark. There are lots of YouTube videos about it.

macrocephalic ,

Yeah I've been keeping an eye on old beaters just to drop my kids to school and a 20yo Volvo SUV is as cheap as a 20yo Mazda.

magnus ,

Big bucks for big trucks?

moon ,

$25k is actually very affordable for what new cars go for. That was deemed affordable 10 years ago, so hitting that price point today is an even bigger deal.

drmeanfeel ,

Affordable? No, not to many people's finances

Relatively cheap for a new car? Unfortunately

A tough combination in a country where having a car is essentially mandatory in all but a few cities

macrocephalic ,

USD25K would buy you a sports spec Hyundai hatch, or a low spec 2wd SUV in Australia.

Wiz ,

How much does a banana cost? $25,000?

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