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EmperorHenry ,
@EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

This is why you shouldn't use any "smart" devices as locks or to control anything important.

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

*Starts microwave open*

Someone said jamming?

randomaside ,
@randomaside@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Idk if it's worth trusting articles from this site after the fake ddos toothbrush article.

Nonetheless, I can't imagine crime not getting more sophisticated as time moves on.

POE cameras are the way.

Asifall ,

Sounds like a good way to get the feds interested in your otherwise not very notable property crime.

kelargo ,

Use POE Ethernet. Problem solved.

MammyWhammy ,

Any recommendations for PoE cameras?

LukyJay ,

I use hikvision and the quality is great in low light. I haven't connected them to the internet since I use Frigate and Home Assistant to monitor the feeds.

jimbolauski ,

I put mine on an unconnected network attached to a connected desktop. Videos are written and uploaded to the cloud when motion is detected. ISpy is a good open source video system even if it is written in C#.

Clipboards ,
@Clipboards@lemmy.world avatar

UniFi Protect is outstanding. You need to buy one of their NVRs or cloud gateways to use it, but it's incredible & wouldn't want another system for our house/family business

AnarchoSnowPlow ,

Didn't they accidentally send supposedly private video to the wrong users recently?

Clipboards ,
@Clipboards@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, there was an incident where ~1k people received push notifications that were intended for other accounts

Shitty, but they addressed the issue within 24hr, notified impacted users, and published a sitrep. They handled it extremely well imo, but also you could disable the cloud connection if it concerns you

https://community.ui.com/questions/Bug-Fix-Cloud-Access-Misconfiguration/fe8d4479-e187-4471-bf95-b2799183ceb7?ref=404media.co

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

So, vendor locked.

Clipboards ,
@Clipboards@lemmy.world avatar

Yes. If that's not for you, that's fine! If that isn't a dealbreaker, it's an exceptional platform

RubberElectrons ,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

I've set family up with a lorex system, setup was pretty straightforward and it works well. No monthly subscription fees rock.

Ydna ,

Check out Reolink, they have a lot of package systems and lots of deals. Watch some videos on the installation process.

modus ,

I've been happy with Hikvision recording to my Qnap NAS. I've heard some bad ethical things about their company, but the cam works well.

SpiceDealer ,
@SpiceDealer@lemmy.world avatar

Quick question: What advantages do PoE cameras have over offline CCTV cameras?

Honytawk ,

Easier and cheaper to install and maintain.

Only needs a single cable that can come from any PoE switch.

CCTV is just out-dated.

PM_Your_Nudes_Please ,

They’re essentially the same, but you only need to run one wire to them instead of two. The PoE means you don’t need to worry about getting power to the camera, which historically has been one of the more expensive parts of installation; It usually means tying into existing electrical boxes if they’re nearby, or pulling new lines if they’re not. But with PoE, everything is on that one cable.

There’s also the advantage that a networked system can be controlled remotely. Things like pan/tilt/focus/etc can be remotely controlled via Ethernet. So if you have configuration options with the camera, you don’t need to physically access it with a ladder just to make those adjustments.

As for the actual video, it’s not much different; Everything lands at a centralized hub, which then records the video or streams it to a remote server, which then records it. There are advantages and disadvantages to either, and it’s typically advised to do both. Because with a local server, once a thief gets physical access to it, they can do whatever they want with it. You were relying on that video footage, but now it’s useless because the thief took all of your hard drives. With a remote system, the big disadvantage is that it’s reliant on your internet connection. So all a potential thief has to do is cut the line going into your house.

For a truly “secure” system, the general consensus is two local servers and a remote server. Have one local server accessible, in something obvious like a server rack. Then have another redundant server somewhere else, which is more hidden and more difficult to access. And put power backups on those local servers, so they can’t simply cut the power at your breaker panel. The hope is that even if they cut your internet and/or power, and destroy the first local server, you still have the second local server. This is notably easier to do with a PoE system, due to the aforementioned lack of power runs to the cameras. Just put your network on the power backup, and the cameras will continue to function even after the power is cut. But that’s hella expensive, and would typically be reserved for enthusiasts, paranoid apocalypse preppers, and/or rich people.

SpiceDealer ,
@SpiceDealer@lemmy.world avatar

Bookmarking this comment for future references. Thank you!

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Digital. Can use regular computer as recorder.

crimsonpoodle ,

You could just add a small nonvolatile buffer to each camera if it’s not wired, such that if it loses connection with your home assistant server it will start recording. With 720p video and a 64gb flash storage you could, depending on encoding, store well over a day of footage. (Napkin math so could be wrong)

UnpledgedCatnapTipper ,

Many cameras only save recordings based off of motion triggers, so 64 gb goes a long way if most of the time there's no movement.

uis ,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

720p is not a bitrate

Khrounose ,

This goes without saying but obviously the most secure will be analog. Unfortunately that is neither accessible or worth the time and trouble for the average consumer.

abhibeckert , (edited )

Huh? If anything it would probably be even easier to jam.

frostwhitewolf ,

Not if it's wired. But the same could probably be said for wired ip cameras

abhibeckert ,

IP anything is generally far more difficult to jam thanks to TCP/IP checking for acknowledgment the data arrived and trying again - at a slower speed which can handle more noise.

Our cameras at work use wifi and Ethernet and have an internal SD card - plus a built in coin cell battery that can run for a little while. Obviously not cheap though.

Hootz ,

You know digital can be wired right? And analog doesnt mean secure, you can listen in and disable analog signals just as easy as digital ones.

These people are just using signal jammers you can buy on AliExpress. They can jam analog and digital it's just about what frequencies it blocks. However using them in North America is illegal.

Zealousideal_Fox900 ,

Thank fuck jammers like that are # illegal here. Punishable up to 1M in fines.

JasonDJ ,

That’s great. Around here they just make the burglaries illegal.

EncryptKeeper ,

I mean so are the robberies but that doesn’t seem to be stopping them either.

Dhrystone ,
@Dhrystone@infosec.pub avatar

This is the reason that all of mine are hardwired (literally) through the roof. Obviously more timeconsuming to do but the signal is way more responsive than wifi (esp. when my wifi bandwidth drops due to giant periodic cloud backups or multi-gigabyte PS5 update file downloads) and I wanted to make sure that all of the video is shunted to cloud and local secure storage in whatever seconds it might take for an attacker to physically disable the camera. Dozen cables down and into my router and switch in the mancave but it is what it is.

Chakravanti ,

Can't you do both so that a physical cut don't stop the cam?

Treczoks ,

On top of that, having a bunch of cameras on wifi is a good way to flood the spectrum and make it useless for normal wireless devices. Rule of thumb for network devices: Unless it is really used as mobile, wire it.

Fallenwout ,

Isn't this easily detectable?

The camera sends a ping every 30sec to the host. Missing ping: sound silent alarm with possible tampering. Missing 4 pings, let all hell break loose alarm sound.

That is how my sensors work. They work on 433/868mhz, this is open band and easy to flood. If the hub misses a ping from a sensor, the tamper protection alarm goes of.

Lightfire228 ,

I feel like that would cause false positives

Then again, not that many people mess with their router

GreatAlbatross ,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

If I got an alarm every time a 433 sensor didn't check in for 10 minutes, I'd never get any sleep!

datelmd5sum ,

fucking wasps cause 100x more false alarms than network issues for me. I need a neural net or something that can differentiate between a wasp and a human.

ReluctantMuskrat ,

I mean if you really care about security you're not using wifi... you're going hard wired. Wifi can be messed up by your neighbors unintentionally and then there goes your tampering alarm. Tampering alarms are good when the system isn't fragile.

No security installer is going to suggest wifi if someone's genuinely concerned about security.

archomrade ,

It drives me up a fucking wall that WiFi is the de-facto local device communication protocol. There are so many reasons not to use it.

Blackmist ,

Most home automation stuff seems to use Zigbee. Doesn't have a lot of bandwidth though, so not useful for video.

And frankly, even if you have a video, the police around here won't do shit with it unless someone has been killed.

AngryCommieKender ,

That's because you aren't one of the owner class. The legally supported armed thugs don't protect the citizenry. They protect the owners private and personal property. Your personal property isn't worth protecting in their eyes.

archomrade ,

I personally have many zigbee devices that I operate happily, but most entry devices by big names (e.g. Google, Amazon, Wyze) and smart-home appliances (think garage door openers, light/fan fixtures, laundry machines, ect.) end up being WiFi. Even if you're a self-sufficient homelabber who buys all zigbee and self-hosted devices, it's hard not to end up with a bunch of WiFi devices anyway.

And if you have a spouse who is less knowledgeable, it can be really hard to explain or justify the higher expense for something like a security camera, or dissuade them from buying a smart fan they really like because it uses an external WiFi connection for its smart features.

AnarchoSnowPlow ,

Zwave is great too, but still no video. Wired is the answer.

phoenixz ,

I never understood wifi cameras, because yes of course it's super easy to jam them. You need a power cable there anyway, is a data cable then really such a hassle?

Cort ,

Lol, there's even 2 solutions that do both. Power over Ethernet and power line networking, so you only have to drag 1 wire across the house/attic

apex32 ,

Yes. With WiFi cameras you don't need to run any cable, just plug in to the nearest power outlet. That's very appealing to people.

Blackmist ,

Surprised they haven't got them based on powerline (running a slightly worse ethernet though the electric lines). That way you'd still only need the one cable, and be able to lock people into your own powerline ecosystems.

Michal ,

Power line Ethernet is actually more similar to wifi than Ethernet the way it works, it uses your power cables as an antenna. Probably won't be jammed as easily though, you may need to plug the jammer into an outlet.

TicklishRocket ,

My cameras are wireless. Some I recharge every 3-4 months, the others are powered by solar.

Michal ,

I have a wifi camera. It saves locally to sd card. When it's jammed, it won't be accessible, but it'll still record motion, so recording will be accessible as long as camera itself isn't stolen.

AA5B ,

My video doorbell takes power from the existing doorbell wiring, but there’s no reasonable way to use that for data, so it’s WiFi (I really should see if I can pull Ethernet through but then I need to pay for a new camera)

Other models are battery powered and supposedly last as long as half a year.

I’ve seen WiFi cameras you can hang anywhere: battery powered and kept charged with a small solar panel

flop_leash_973 ,

I think a lot of them, like the Google doorbell camera use rechargeable batteries. So you don't even need the power cable. Just take it off of the mount every few weeks to charge it back up.

Then throw it in the trash in 2-3 years once the battery sufficiently degrades and buy a whole new one of course.

fuzzzerd ,

Painful how true that is. It's awful.

At least some doorbell cameras power themselves off the doorbell power supply, so it's not all devices with battery. Still more than should exist though.

Hootz ,

More like throw it in the trash when gooogle decides it's obsolete and bricks it for "security concerns"

Grippler ,

I just power all of my cameras with POE

disheveledWallaby ,

You can get POE(power over ethernet) cameras that dont require a separate power source. Closed circuit cameras are the only way to go.

Treczoks ,

Wifi jamming is an easy thing to do, as the whole 2.4GHz band works on the assumption that everyone is nice to each other. One non-cooperative device, and everything in that band goes down: Wifi, BT, Garage door openers, Car key fobs...

MystikIncarnate ,

Vehicle fobs are usually not in the 2.4Ghz range, they're usually in the 300-500mhz range.

But yes, there's a lot of assumptions and usually it's right, but it can be wrong also.

Also, fun fact, microwave ovens use very high power 2.45Ghz. so they can do this by simply rigging a microwave to turn on when the door is open, then pointing it at your house at a safe distance, like across the street.

Most companies that make outdoor stuff generally avoid 5Ghz because it's a regulatory nightmare. Some countries allow it, others only allow certain frequencies, others only allow certain frequencies up to a certain power level, others basically don't allow it at all. So all your fancy door bell/cameras/whatever that you connect outside your home are all going to be limited to 2.4 GHz with is basically universally available internationally (it's an ISM band, while the wifi 5ghz is a UNII band).... So yeah, good luck everybody!

Also wired cameras and such exist, they're a pain to install, but they work well, and the market for other outdoor network connected things is extremely limited.... Things like doorbells.

I hate putting static objects on wifi, even something like my TV, I want it wired simply because it never moves and there's no reason to use it wirelessly. I can run a wire to it once and even if I upgrade the TV, the wire still works. To explain this a little more, I'm an IT administrator and I have a specialty in wireless networking. As tersely as I can: more stuff on the WiFi makes it slow, so if something can be wired, it should be wired. Obviously there are things that are not well suited to it, like cellphones and laptops, but pretty much everything else should be wired. TVs, set top boxes, desktop computers... Basically anything that can be wired, that doesn't regularly move around.... Wired.
This extends to cameras, doorbells, gdo's....

This frees up wireless bandwidth for devices that are obligated to use it, like your phone and tablet.

I've seen a lot of network issues resolved by simply plugging in everything that's practical to plug in, even if the device having the issue wasn't one of the things plugged in.

faercol ,
@faercol@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yeah, i always try to connect as much as I can to ethernet cables. The issue being that it's sometimes a pain to install the cables, especially if you're renting and can't really pass wires through walls

MystikIncarnate ,

My solution when I lived in an apartment was to buy cup hooks, and white ethernet cable (either riser or plenum), as well as some ethernet wall boxes, and keystones for them. For a bit of flair, I also picked up some white hook&loop (aka velcro).

I added a few lengths of conduit/raceway for vertical runs and what I did was use the cup hooks to create a wiring tray for ethernet cables along the ceiling lines on the wall... Maybe 2 inches from the top, every 18 inches or so, I'd put a cup hook. Then, when they were placed, I ran the raceway up the walls near my network stuff, and used all of that to wire ethernet around the place. Cup hooks are self tapping, you generally don't need any tools for it. I "pre-tapped" the holes with a small nail, just driving it in less than half an inch, then pull it right out... just to give the cup hook somewhere to bite into and set my positioning for it. The larger cup hooks can carry 4-5 ethernet, and I used the velcro to keep everything together and tidy.

On the ends, I terminated the cables to keystones, mounted them in their wall box and stuck it to the wall with 3M command strips, for easy removal later.

For me, the cables went along the base of a wall in one bedroom which we used as a computer room/office, over to the door, around the door hinge at the bottom, up the wall using conduit/raceway, along the ceiling of the hallway, over to the living room where I had two wall-mount dual ethernet boxes for four cables/connectors. I then used standard ethernet cable to run to my TV, a wireless access point, an htpc, etc.

The only other stuff in the living room was phones and other appropriately wireless equipment, the rest of the wired stuff was in the office. The TV we had in the bedroom had a cable that went through the wall to the office. I found that a telephone wiring box on the walls between the rooms was open on both sides, so I just popped the faceplates off and ran the cables.

I know my situation is unique and yours will be different. I'm hoping I can give you some ideas on how to tackle the problem without initiating aggro from either the spouse, family, or landlord.

faercol ,
@faercol@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Holy shit there's a lot to unpack here, thank you so much for the suggestions!

Honestly in my case the issue is really that I don't want it to be in pain to restore the flat when I leave it, and it's rather small, I just need to pass a cable along the hallway into my office, and somehow pass the door which really does not have a lot of space around it (not enough for a standard ethernet cable, so I'm thinking about flat ethernet cables, which could work here)

But I haven't really had time to think about it yet

MystikIncarnate ,

Most of the time there's a gap under most internal doors to allow for airflow between spaces. Most rooms also have ventilation and return air, but often a gap under the doors as well.

It's normally not very much, but enough for an ethernet cable. The trick is to get it to sit neatly across the area so it doesn't impede the swing of the door.

I like to use small nails or screws in the frame of the door to hold it against the flooring.

The hardest part for me to remove when departing my previous rental was pulling down the conduit. I didn't use the 3M command strips for it, since it came with mounting tape pre-applied. I pulled off some of the layers of paint on the wall when it came down. It was not a big deal to the superintendent since they repaint regardless. The cup hooks took the longest since you have to untwist each from the wall by hand. They're not fully enclosed, so pulling the cable out was simply a matter of pushing it up and out of the hook.

When done correctly, it should only take about 20 minutes to pull apart and leave little more than paint damage behind.

If that's not appealing, and you have cable TV or some other kind of coaxial lines run between rooms, there's MoCA as an option. It can coexist with most TV signals, and something to consider if you're in a situation where you have the wiring needed. If only phone lines exist, it's entirely possible to buy and use ethernet extenders that use DSL technology to relay the data. They're not as fast as MoCA, and they may not even have as much bandwidth as wireless, depending on the conditions, but they will be far more consistent and reliable than wireless.

There is the option of powerline adapters as well, however, I would only recommend them if you have enough knowledge of the power lines in your home to determine that the plugs that the powerline adapters will be placed into are on the same circuit. If they're not, then the situation can become very complex, or downright guesswork to try to get working. It becomes a huge risk for anyone who isn't an electrician with enough knowledge to determine if the lines will intersect in a productive way. Here in North America where I am, we use split phase power, so if powerline adapters are used here and they end up on different hot lines, the signal essentially has to travel through either the transformer that's delivering the power, or the neutral lines which may be afflicted with all sorts of interference from the ground being bonded to it. So if you're not an electrician, I would say only to use powerline if the plugs you intend to put them on are on the same circuit. If not, you're going to have significant risk for the system not working well, reliably, or possibly even have it not working at all.

I'm certain there are other options I haven't really gotten into, but there's plenty out there to use and try. Ethernet or fiber is generally ideal. If you can't use that, then MoCA, and to a lesser extent DSL. If that's not an option for whatever reason and you are in favorable conditions, maybe powerline. Beyond that, you're stuck with wireless. Ethernet/fiber can run upwards of 100Gbps (SMF) to 10Gbps (MMF/Cat6), or mgig at 5Gbps or 2.5Gbps, and of course 1Gbps. MoCA can do an excess of 1Gbps last I checked, but lacks full duplex operation like most ethernet standards. DSL can be as fast as 250+Mbps with the right equipment, but often trends around 50-150Mbps in the simple point to point configurations you'll find with non-ISP grade solutions. Powerline wildly fluctuates depending on conditions, but can achieve 1Gbps in ideal situations. Wireless, which by its very nature, is half duplex, is by far the most variant, if you're the only person using it in the local area, it can be fantastic, however, such an ideal is extraordinarily rare, it interferes with everything from wireless console controllers, microwave ovens, neighbors and just about everything else made for consumers with a wireless connection. Often, it's the most variant of the bunch and frequently has the longest ping times and jitter.

Simply put, wireless is a bad technology. Not because it was/is done poorly, but because it works so well that everyone puts everything onto it and that makes it terrible. There's only so much wireless frequency range given out for unlicensed public use and when everyone has their own wifi, we all end up stepping on eachothers toes.

My motto is, and has been for a while: wire when you can, wireless when you have to. If everyone did that, we would be much better off.

AngryCommieKender ,

gdo's? = God Damned Operators?

Jimmyeatsausage ,

Garage door opener

MystikIncarnate ,

My man.

GreatAlbatross ,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

I always find it a bit amusing when I see "shut down due to radar activity" in my 5GHz logs.

MystikIncarnate ,

Aah yes, that's UNII-2 in action. You can't have a radio in the UNII-2 band without some measure of radar detection and avoidance. It's a regulatory standard. Most will simply hop to another frequency and inform connected stations of the move, but shutting down when radar is detected, is valid.

It may be worthwhile to aggregate such reports and see if it's the same few channels each time, then simply exclude those channels from being selected by the system. It could increase the reliability of the connection to the clients and reduce any calls about the wifi going out or kicking people off of it.

lemming741 ,

The picture shows a bullet cam, and PoE is readily available.

Wired network doorbell cameras are much harder to find, and they are double the cost

mastod0n ,

Sorry for being that guy but if possible you should always refrain from using Wifi for applications in production, safety and security. Too many known and unknown vectors to its reliability.

But yea, I get it. Most people don't know the details and on the overall market most affordable devices and services for security systems are some semi-"smart" products which are simple to set up. The extra work and cost that come with professional equipment aren't really appreciated, eapecially by those who don't know any better.

Takumidesh ,

I think the most primary thing of all is that, most people don't have the means to run Ethernet cables to places that typical cameras are installed (doorbells and garage floodlights)

It's a catch 22 though. Ok one hand, every single person in my neighborhood has multiple cameras on their property now and even when I lived in an apartment complex, everyone had a camera at their doorbell, but they all are usually ring or some other subscription based, phone home type.

Do WiFi cameras present a new attack vector, yea for sure.
Is having a WiFi camera that could be disabled better than not having a camera at all (what was the reality 5 years ago), hard to say.

Fisch ,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

Every single person in your neighbourhood has multiple cameras?! Where do you live?

AA5B ,

While it may not be strictly true, this is not difficult to imagine. Doorbell cams are ubiquitous, alarm companies push more and more each year, spotlight cams, solar cams, and other cams are cheap and have been at time “the new hotness”.

More importantly, the widespread use of motion detection even means you can monitor and respond to events.

PriorityMotif ,
@PriorityMotif@lemmy.world avatar

My neighbor posted a video on FB of someone running by and trying the door on their car. I could see my house and my cameras in the video.

PsychedSy ,

That's like a third of nextdoor posts.

doctorcrimson , (edited )

This is exactly why the old fashioned Analog installations cost more to begin with: They're very secure and more difficult to disable.

Of course, the number 1 method to avoid robbery is to simply make yourself an unappealing target: no FB/Instagram stories, door that looks more solid than it is, padlocks, signage warning of dogs/firearms (even if you don't have either). Keep your equipment, cars, or boats inside or covered. Etc. Even just a floodlight that detects motion at night and makes a beep beep sound can scare off most kids and crackheads. If you live in an apartment, put some broken furniture on your patio and people will think you're poor.

It seems like Wifi Cams and the little signs/stickers they come with are exactly the opposite: "I HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE THAT YOU WANT BUT HAVEN'T SECURED IT PROPERLY."

GreatAlbatross ,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

That's an interesting take, and I think I might agree with you.
Solid-looking boring lock, everything looking like it would last decades, looks like someone who sorted the security confidently.
Plastic looking wifi cameras everywhere have a "curtain twitchy granny" vibe.

PsychedSy ,

My mom says the neighbors can't see her looking.

ElderWendigo ,
@ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works avatar

You're right that you should try to make yourself a less appealing target for thrives, but some of your methods don't really hold up to scrutiny. Beeping motion sensor lights and secure locks and doors are great ideas. They will absolutely deter casual thrives and addicts.

Advertising that you have guns is just advertising that you have something to steal that is valuable, easy to sell, and easy to carry.

Warning signs for dogs aren't much better. If you don't have a dog, that will usually become obvious to anyone close enough to read the sign. If you do have a dog, then the sign is just an invitation to have them murdered the next time you have to interact with police at home. It will also expose you to liability should any trespasser be injured by that dog. Yeah, even the person robbing you, but also children, other pets, and well meaning innocent people just doing their jobs (and not breaking the law by entering your property without permission) like meter readers, mailmen, land surveyors, emergency response, etc. When I see a dog warning sign, to me it just says that a dumb asshole abusing a dog lives here.

Broken furniture sounds clever, but that just says trashy, not poor. Actual poor people take better care of their shit. HOAs would also limit the places you could actually do this without fines in the suburbs. Broken outdoor furniture is as common as weeds in more rural areas.

WiFi Cams just mean that you can afford Internet. EVERYBODY has WiFi cameras. They are ridiculously cheap to buy and easy to install. Cameras (WiFi or not) aren't a great deterent anyway.

doctorcrimson ,

I feel like the risk/return on firearms isn't great for breaking into homes at night, but if it were in an unattended vehicle then that's another story.

You don't actually have to own a dog, and having signage doesn't indicate abuse in any case.

ElderWendigo , (edited )
@ElderWendigo@sh.itjust.works avatar

You're confusing opinion and facts. My opinion is not fact (regarding dog warning signs) and I never said it was. Your feelings also are not fact.

doctorcrimson ,

There is no confusion here, friend. Our opinions conflict, that is all.

PsychedSy ,

Have dogs. Also have a firearm in the house my mother has only pointed at me, while loaded. once.

The cats would likely be the ones to save us.

HelixDab2 ,

DO NOT put gun signs/stickers up. It's an ongoing joke that a Glock sticker on a truck means "free gun inside".

doctorcrimson ,

I thought it was a discussion about homes. Ya'll are putting wifi cameras in your cars?

PsychedSy ,

Nah. Just glocks. I can barely see over the pile of guns now.

doctorcrimson ,

Imagine a wifi camera strapped to a glock, that's a fun mental image.

PsychedSy ,

With an fpv headset for aiming?

HelixDab2 ,

Same principle applies; if you have a sign up warning people that you're armed, that means that there are free guns inside, as long as they wait until you're away or asleep.

It's like, don't put the empty box for the $5000 television set out with your trash, put it out with someone else's trash, so that people don't know you just bought a brand new expensive piece of electronics.

LastYearsPumpkin ,

Networked cameras used for security should have local storage to buffer when the network isn't available, regardless of if you're using wired or wireless.

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