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the_doktor , to Technology in Manifest V2 phase-out begins

Anyone still using Chromium or any of its derivatives (including Chrome) just needs to suck it up and admit it's the loser here. Use a Firefox derivative, it's just all around better in every single way.

mightyfoolish ,

I had to call someone using Microsoft Teams today. It does not work with Firefox, even if you spoof the user agent.

viking ,
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I have Edge for two things: Teams and Outlook.

The desktop software for both is so bad, I can't even use them half of the time.

Outlook actually works in FF, but that way I can put it on my second screen and use Firefox on my main one so I don't need to switch tabs when emails come in.

Schadrach ,

You know you can have Firefox open a second window, right?

viking ,
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Yeah but occasionally FF hangs and I want to avoid force closing the wrong one through the task manager.

joe_cool ,

Like Chrome Firefox has an internal Task manager at: about:processes

You could try opening it in a second window. It might show you what causes the hang. There is also: about:memory to see where the RAM went. It's a bit more technical though.

viking ,
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Oh cool, didn't know that one yet, thanks a bunch!

fine_sandy_bottom ,

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at?

Microsoft has been playing this game since forever.

lastweakness ,

He's getting at Firefox being unusable for one of his usecases. Though i guess you could argue that he could just use something like brave specifically for that use case while using Firefox for other stuff

fine_sandy_bottom ,

Yeah, I guess I mean that I'm surprised anyone is surprised when an MS product unexpectedly doesn't work in a non-microsoft environment.

kilgore_trout ,
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You should be surprised, that is unfair competition.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

They've been doing that forever.

kilgore_trout ,
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And Antitrust in different countries forced them to comply with the law.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

No it didn't.

Ms does this all the time and gets away with it all the time.

rbesfe ,

Why not just download the teams app?

mightyfoolish ,

The Teams app is probably just Chromium pointed to the teams website. Might as well have Chrome/Chromium installed at that point.

ocassionallyaduck ,

I don't know what's up with your setup, but this is untrue. I've used Firefox for teams in browser for years with no issues.

mightyfoolish ,

I can try again with a friend on Momday. Is there a specific user agent extension or a about:config option you used?

ocassionallyaduck ,

Honestly no, I have a bunch of extensions but I never took specific action to make teams work. You do have to make sure popup are allowed and ublock and similar tools don't interfere with it, but it worked for me.

You might try grabbing a portable Firefox install from Portable Apps and testing that.

bitwolf ,

I had the same issue. It works but crashed once I went into a call.

the_doktor ,

Not a big fan of MS Teams but... it's worked for me before in the past. PEBCAK.

anas ,

I’m using both Firefox as my daily browser, and Edge for school related stuff, Firefox is very often maxing out my CPU usage and I can’t figure out why

GTG3000 ,

Yeah, I find firefox tends to leak memory when you have youtube tabs open.
Still using only firefox unless testing for compatibility but it is a thing.

anas ,

It does get worse when using YouTube, but usually it’s my CPU that elevates, not my memory

Amir ,
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Thank Google for that "feature"

LordCrom , to Technology in Manifest V2 phase-out begins

Many times stupid web pages don't load.... Call support and I'm told it only works in chrome.

Can't get away from it

sudoku ,

source: my crackpipe

Blackmist ,

Try and register something on Razer's website so you can get support for it. Until a few weeks back, PSN locked the browser up completely when signing in.

I use FF for day to day use, but prepare to swap to Chrome when things go wrong just because most sites aren't tested on it.

lastweakness ,

Source: extremely common knowledge and the stranglehold that Google has on webdev

problematicPanther ,
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when i try to go to a website that does that, or worse, when they say that my operating system is not supported, i don't go to their site.

Hadriscus ,

"Your desk chair isn't supported, please stand up when using our site"

IndustryStandard ,

I have both firefox and chrome installed. It's actually not that bad as special work "tabs" get their own taskbar icon..

mint_tamas ,

So what, you keep an ungoogled-chromium around and use it occasionally for compatibility, if you really need to. Doesn’t mean you are obligated to use it as your daily driver.

Nom ,
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I'm doing the same, I rarely ever have to use it unless compelled to by work or simply a lazy site with less compatibility for anything beyond google.

For anyone who wants to try here you go.

LordCrom ,

Exactly what I do

BaardFigur , (edited )

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  • kilgore_trout ,
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    On Firefox Android Beta / Nightly / forks, you can enable WebRender from about:config .

    airglow , (edited )

    WebRender has been enabled by default on Firefox for Android since version 92 (September 2021). Performance is fine for me, especially with uBlock Origin.

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  • airglow ,

    uBlock Origin works best on Firefox, according to the extension author. This is definitely a reason to use Firefox, and even more so when Chromium phases out Manifest V2 completely.

    Your Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e has a PassMark score of 5488. I've been happy with the performance of Firefox on a Google Pixel 3a, which has a nearly identical PassMark score of 5483. Maybe your expectations or experiences are different, but I'm comfortable with saying that Firefox's performance is fine for me on a range of Android devices, old and new.

    kilgore_trout ,
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    Some of its features are still considered experimental and disabled on Android to provide compatibility with most devices.

    Two informative Reddit posts that are mostly up-to-date:

    @BaardFigur

    anticurrent , to Technology in Manifest V2 phase-out begins

    Considering the community behind uBlock origin has no financial incentive, why are they still developing for chrome and manifest v3 while google keeps pulling off anti consumer and anti-adblock tactics, shouldn't they just drop chrome and orient people to use firefox or one of its derivatives.

    kilgore_trout ,
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    gorhill already strongly suggests to use Firefox, but to drop Google Chrome altogether would leave millions of people stranded.

    ipkpjersi ,

    Maybe that would be a good thing, maybe it would force people onto Firefox?

    TwilightVulpine ,

    You are underestimating how much bulshit people are willing to put up just to not have to make any change.

    Zehzin ,
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    That's so me

    kilgore_trout ,
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    I recommend to read this response of a developer for Emacs to a user asking why stick to Microsoft's Github: https://protesilaos.com/codelog/2024-04-30-re-emacs-github-freedom-microsoft/

    ipkpjersi ,

    True, at the end of the day it does come down to number of users, unfortunately. More users does mean more potential help/contributions. I just wish more people would switch to Firefox or another non-Chromium browser.

    kilgore_trout ,
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    The author's goal, laterally, is to spread Free Software to as many users as possible.

    We'll never convince anyone that out fight for Freedom is good, by circlejerking.

    anlumo ,

    Good post. Also, in the case of GitHub, one major reason for me for using it is that this is the first place a potential employer will look at to see my work. They won't delve into the depths of a random git hosting service nobody has ever heard about.

    kilgore_trout ,
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    You just need to put a link on your resume, that way they will know about it.

    Shurimal ,

    As much as I like Firefox/Librewolf, Vivaldi still has the upper hand in UI/UX. Workspaces, more feature-rich sidebar, one-click access to recently closed tabs right there in the tab bar, speed dial, tab stacks and other QoL stuff that makes just enough difference for me that I can't really daily-drive any other browsers. Until FF reaches feature parity (it's getting close, but still isn't quite there yet) I don't see myself migrating anytime soon. Quess I'll just need to rely more on AdGuard DNS and Vivaldi's built-in adblocker if uBlock becomes neutered on Chromium...

    SuperSpruce ,

    Why are people downvoting you? I totally agree with you. Firefox has the upper edge (pun unintended) on the backend technology that causes them to resist Google's greedy changes, but acts just like a for-profit company when it comes to the UI.

    Look how much pointless whitespace their is on the tab bar. It was so "popular" that Chrome recently came in and copied that change. But Vivaldi just goes its own way, trying to make the most competitive browser it can.

    ulkesh , to Technology in Manifest V2 phase-out begins
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    pets Firefox …Who’s a good boy?

    Psythik ,

    Firefox finally got HDR support, so now I have zero reason to use a Chromium-Based browser anymore. Kept Ungoogled Chromium around just for streaming video; uninstalled it yesterday.

    Blisterexe ,
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    Wait it did? When?

    Psythik ,

    IDK but I just noticed it a few days ago when I was suddenly blinded by every video, lol (I turned on the setting in my GPU that converts SDR videos to HDR. It never worked in Firefox until just now).

    AlternateRoute ,

    There wasn't any h265 support until recent nightlies for windows.. so there is that issue. Which is important for watching movies ore even some NVR / Security cameras these days for anything 4K or higher.

    ulkesh ,
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    I still love my Firefox since that doesn’t affect me. My videos are easily transcoded if needed and I keep to 1080p so size isn’t a real issue as well.

    I guess for some, it can be problematic. So they’ll have to put up with ads again.

    AlternateRoute ,

    Or just use a chromium fork that allows ad block plugins...

    ulkesh ,
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    Of course, people are quite free to do as they wish assuming they know how.

    AProfessional ,

    Every day that passes it will be harder to maintain patches readding this. Who knows but it’s a lame solution.

    Veneroso ,

    Edge has entered the chat. Have you tried Bing my son?

    hark , to Technology in Manifest V2 phase-out begins
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    My chrome phase-out finished years ago (though technically I was using a chromium-based browser and not chrome itself). Good riddance to that trash. Firefox all the way!

    kmirl , to Technology in Manifest V2 phase-out begins

    We've had the youtube premium family bundle for several years, mostly for android auto in our cars. I switched to Firefox around that time as well but found it didn't work as well for youtube. So I compromised by using Chrome for youtube and Firefox for everything else. I will continue this way for the time being, but honestly getting rid of Chrome completely would not be a big deal at this point.

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