We've had the youtube premium family bundle for several years, mostly for android auto in our cars. I switched to Firefox around that time as well but found it didn't work as well for youtube. So I compromised by using Chrome for youtube and Firefox for everything else. I will continue this way for the time being, but honestly getting rid of Chrome completely would not be a big deal at this point.
My chrome phase-out finished years ago (though technically I was using a chromium-based browser and not chrome itself). Good riddance to that trash. Firefox all the way!
Firefox finally got HDR support, so now I have zero reason to use a Chromium-Based browser anymore. Kept Ungoogled Chromium around just for streaming video; uninstalled it yesterday.
IDK but I just noticed it a few days ago when I was suddenly blinded by every video, lol (I turned on the setting in my GPU that converts SDR videos to HDR. It never worked in Firefox until just now).
There wasn't any h265 support until recent nightlies for windows.. so there is that issue. Which is important for watching movies ore even some NVR / Security cameras these days for anything 4K or higher.
I still love my Firefox since that doesn’t affect me. My videos are easily transcoded if needed and I keep to 1080p so size isn’t a real issue as well.
I guess for some, it can be problematic. So they’ll have to put up with ads again.
Considering the community behind uBlock origin has no financial incentive, why are they still developing for chrome and manifest v3 while google keeps pulling off anti consumer and anti-adblock tactics, shouldn't they just drop chrome and orient people to use firefox or one of its derivatives.
True, at the end of the day it does come down to number of users, unfortunately. More users does mean more potential help/contributions. I just wish more people would switch to Firefox or another non-Chromium browser.
Good post. Also, in the case of GitHub, one major reason for me for using it is that this is the first place a potential employer will look at to see my work. They won't delve into the depths of a random git hosting service nobody has ever heard about.
As much as I like Firefox/Librewolf, Vivaldi still has the upper hand in UI/UX. Workspaces, more feature-rich sidebar, one-click access to recently closed tabs right there in the tab bar, speed dial, tab stacks and other QoL stuff that makes just enough difference for me that I can't really daily-drive any other browsers. Until FF reaches feature parity (it's getting close, but still isn't quite there yet) I don't see myself migrating anytime soon. Quess I'll just need to rely more on AdGuard DNS and Vivaldi's built-in adblocker if uBlock becomes neutered on Chromium...
Why are people downvoting you? I totally agree with you. Firefox has the upper edge (pun unintended) on the backend technology that causes them to resist Google's greedy changes, but acts just like a for-profit company when it comes to the UI.
Look how much pointless whitespace their is on the tab bar. It was so "popular" that Chrome recently came in and copied that change. But Vivaldi just goes its own way, trying to make the most competitive browser it can.
Try and register something on Razer's website so you can get support for it. Until a few weeks back, PSN locked the browser up completely when signing in.
I use FF for day to day use, but prepare to swap to Chrome when things go wrong just because most sites aren't tested on it.
So what, you keep an ungoogled-chromium around and use it occasionally for compatibility, if you really need to. Doesn’t mean you are obligated to use it as your daily driver.
WebRender has been enabled by default on Firefox for Android since version 92 (September 2021). Performance is fine for me, especially with uBlock Origin.
uBlock Origin works best on Firefox, according to the extension author. This is definitely a reason to use Firefox, and even more so when Chromium phases out Manifest V2 completely.
Your Samsung Galaxy Tab S5e has a PassMark score of 5488. I've been happy with the performance of Firefox on a Google Pixel 3a, which has a nearly identical PassMark score of 5483. Maybe your expectations or experiences are different, but I'm comfortable with saying that Firefox's performance is fine for me on a range of Android devices, old and new.
Anyone still using Chromium or any of its derivatives (including Chrome) just needs to suck it up and admit it's the loser here. Use a Firefox derivative, it's just all around better in every single way.
The desktop software for both is so bad, I can't even use them half of the time.
Outlook actually works in FF, but that way I can put it on my second screen and use Firefox on my main one so I don't need to switch tabs when emails come in.
Like Chrome Firefox has an internal Task manager at: about:processes
You could try opening it in a second window. It might show you what causes the hang. There is also: about:memory to see where the RAM went. It's a bit more technical though.
He's getting at Firefox being unusable for one of his usecases. Though i guess you could argue that he could just use something like brave specifically for that use case while using Firefox for other stuff
Honestly no, I have a bunch of extensions but I never took specific action to make teams work. You do have to make sure popup are allowed and ublock and similar tools don't interfere with it, but it worked for me.
You might try grabbing a portable Firefox install from Portable Apps and testing that.
I’m using both Firefox as my daily browser, and Edge for school related stuff, Firefox is very often maxing out my CPU usage and I can’t figure out why
Yeah, I find firefox tends to leak memory when you have youtube tabs open.
Still using only firefox unless testing for compatibility but it is a thing.
It becomes impossible to block ads in all browsers new forks will be made and the features we want will happen. The bar to spin and maintain a new browser is high but it's not impossible on there are a lot of people that want this
You should check out Ladybird browser, it's an impressive piece work, it's definitely no ready for everyday use, but it is proof that a small community can develop and maintain a project as complex and large as a browser.
It is probably the only browser in active development that is not being paid by Google, even Firefox gets most of its income from defaulting the search engine to Google
On June 3rd, Chrome(ium) users will start being informed that their MV2 extensions will soon stop to function. uBlock Origin (and others) will lose the "Featured" badge.
The remaining MV2 extensions will be gradually disabled in the "coming months", with the last deadline being the beginning of next year. (Expect that uBO will probably not last that long).
What options do you have if you still want to use uBlock Origin?
Firefox (and up to date forks) have no plans to end support for the webrequest API that uBO requires.
Brave browser will allow MV2 extensions for now. I still have no info on if they are going to use their own store or require manual installation/updating of MV2 extensions.
If you use Chrome. By enabling enterprise policy ExtensionManifestV2Availability, you should be able to extend support till June 2025.
many people here parrot the same things relentlessly. there is no issue with choosing firefox as your primary driver. every user here can decide on what they want for themselves.
i am offering other options as the suggestions in this thread (and threads like these) are homogenous.
Firefox has telemetry settings built-in which you can switch off. LibreWolf strips the telemetry options away and focuses on obfuscating your browser fingerprint.
Yeah it's just that I feel like if someone is still using freaking Chrome in 2024 then asking them to use something even more obscure than FF might be a bridge too far.
LibreWolf is just a fork of Firefox (one of many) which tries to improve its privacy features.
I am not asking anyone to use this, just merely offering an alternate option. Everyone who accesses the internet has used a browser. What makes a difference for the average user is the GUI and UX.
If you use vanilla Firefox and don’t tweak the settings, often your DNS will be resolved by either Google, Cloudflare or your ISP.
Internet is dominated by Netscape, then crushed by MS giving its browser away.. Firefox steps in for a while and is great but starts to suck / get slow, google steps in people start to shift to google, everyone is on google... Wonder who steps in next.
There’s a lot more vendor lock in than there has been in the past. I don’t see there being a major change without legislation. It’s still too early to see how the EU’s DMA will affect market share, but it’s probably the best hope, even if it is limited to a few geographical areas.
There’s a lot more vendor lock in than there has been in the past. I don’t see there being a major change without legislation
LOL no.. ActiveX on IE was the ultimate lock in, and that is gone now.. Also we have A LOT of chromium based clones that don't have these restrictions.. It will still be a popularity contest.
Firefox however is limited by its in ability / unwillingness to license or implement some DRM features / Codecs which kind of sucks.
An even bigger restriction is how iOS just blocks all competing browser engines. It doesn’t matter what sites do or don’t require. If a site is broken in Safari, I just have to go use a different device. On all other operating systems you do have a bit more options, but they all pretty aggressively push you into using the manufacturer’s choice.
That’s how it works for now, but eventually the code itself will be removed from chromium, not just disabled. At that point they’d have to maintain a large patch set reimplementing it, which would be extremely time intensive to maintain and keep secure.
I know, precisely. But it is an alternative without this nonsense, kinda the only one. And the only option to actually stop the Google monopoly that led to this.
Shit like this is exactly why competition is of utmost importance. The internet was never meant to be single-handedly controlled by a corporation with private interests, and more importantly, private pockets
If we don't see a somewhat significant rise in Firefox usage increases after this, then I fear that battle is already lost. People can complain a lot but doing something as easy as switching browsers seems to be the hardest thing for most of them.
Even if Firefox were to win it's still a bleak future because the ridiculously complexity and scope of browsers prevents new ones being made. Without the possibility of newcomers either the war never ends or there is one victor. We should start to abandon browsers in favor of apps that focus on each part of the browser (e.g. why does a browser need to render video to the screen when the user already has an app for that).
"Destroying an empire to win a war is no victory, and ending a battle to save an empire is no defeat."- Kahless
Fuck that. I'm not switching between apps for every god damn function my browser does. I intentionally decline to install apps when I can just use the browser.
no unified password management (or even worse: everything gets just attached to your google/ios account - i hate apps that do not give me the option to keep stuff separate)
no history functions (esp. over multiple devices)
single apps getting bought out by marketing corpos or bad actors without getting notified
data sniffing apps are harder to reign in than my sandboxed browser tabs.
NO ADBLOCKING AVAILABLE IN APPS
I'm sure there are a lot more reasons, that's just what came into my mind
Apps being created seperatly doesn't mean they can't interact with each other, so I don't see those concerns as a problem. Is there anything fundamentally preventing the creation of new apps to do tasks currently exclusive to browsers?
Isn't the possibility of single apps getting bought out an argument against having all your eggs in one basket? 🙃
i think i would get notified in some way if the Mozilla Foundation changes ownership, and since it's open source that is not much of an argument. open source is getting more common the last few years, but it's definitely not common
sure, it doesn't mean they can't. everyone making their own app also means that they don't per default.
and you didn't touch the point regarding NO ADBLOCKING IN APPS while the whole debate here is because alphabet doesn't want effective adblocking in their browser.
I don't know what to say regarding your claim of no ad blocking in apps because I don't understand why you think that. I disagree because it's the same game just in different apps, depending on the medium:
images then you could do what ad blockers fo now: block based on domain
-video you still disregard other ad files, or have a sysyem like sponser block
text (e.g.) on a Gemini client you'd need to detect the text that looks like ads.
domain based blocking systems are nice for a base level of ad removal, they do nothing if the ads are coming from the same domain. sponsorblock is nice, but it's the work of volunteers to remove those ads - if youtubes userbase were splintered over thousands of apps it wouldn't be feasable.
i don't know when i have seen just text-based ads in the last 10 years. those are an non-issue, even for me. the issues are scripts, user profiling and tracking.
the big difference is: the browser gives webpages/apps a standardized environment where the user has the last word regarding what runs on it or not (if you are not using chromium anyway). in apps, the user doesn't have that luxury, especially regarding tracking and profiling.
I value software freedom so I don't promote proprietary apps that prevent users doing their computing the way they want. There's not much I can do about how companies mistreat their users. Just contribute to free (open source) software, advocate for a culture that values freedom over convenience, and advocate for laws against proprietary software.
If the code of your app is like uBlock-Origin then you have the freedom to remove ads from your software. If an app dictates how you do your computing that's a bigger issue than reckless feature creep leading to the end of browsers.
You Grandma and her Chromebook don't care though. The numbers aren't in our favor, but Mozilla absolutely dominating in the features and privacy arenas is.
I'm not asking this facetiously but: is there an easy way to migrate my bookmarks, tabs, and pinned tabs easily to Firefox? I looked maybe a year ago but didn't find a 1 to 1 easy switch way to go to Firefox.
To be clear: my personal laptop is all Firefox, but I don't use it all the time. My main desktop is an integration of all three (please don't judge), but I'd like to go full Firefox if it was convenient.
Convenience, similar to ninite.com. Sure I could download each installer one by one, but when it was made simple I now use it all the time.
Similarly with Firefox: the easier you make it to switch from any Chromium based web browser, to Firefox, the more people will make the switch. To me your comment is equivalent to someone saying RTFM.
With the time you've wasted complaining about having to RTFM you could've already imported your my little pony bookmark collection and be clop clopping off into the sunset.
You are absolutely correct, I could have done it a while ago. But while it is inconvenient, for me specifically, it's not top priority. Once there's a convenient method I'll be all about it.
I do. I'd be surprised if we see any kind of increase.
Firefox is going to slide into obscurity. They've been in a downward spiral for the last few years. So much money wasted on so many failed projects. They're a shadow of their former selves. The features of firefox are improving of course but by every metric that matters they're on life support.
Same thing that happened with the internet also happened with capitalism. It's like you need some regulation to ensure competition. It could have been so awesome if we had what we were promised.
