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Gordon_Freeman , to Privacy in Any EU based users of reddit should immediately file a complaint under GDPR with their supervisory authority
@Gordon_Freeman@kbin.social avatar

Could we sabotage the LLM training so the data became worthless?

Like adding to our comments stuff like "2+2=5" "Abraham Lincoln discovered America" and whatever silly statement you can think of

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

I think reddit is already sufficently full of misinformation that you dont need to add to it

GammaGames ,
@GammaGames@beehaw.org avatar

Google’s LLMs are going to get real good at gaslighting and hating minorities in the next few years

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Yep. Ask them if Palestine committed a genocide and they'll parrot back the Isrsel-funded disinformation spread all over reddit "no. Israel has a right to defend itself"

If people actually turn to LLMs for information, we're heading to a dark place.

Icalasari ,

The far right multimedia group Gab released an LLM for people to get answers which "the government and liberal elite keep secret", so already happening

Hilariously easy to jailbreak though, so I imagine it's also piss easy to poison

crispy_kilt ,

Israel committing war crimes

Israel has a right to self-defense

Did you know that both of these statements can be true at the same time?

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Thats like saying "all lives matter" to the BLM folks.

Of course Israel has the right to defend itself, but the point is that 99% of their activity is offensive and they are the oppressor. that argument is double-speak.

Israel is committing a genocide and you think that's a reasonable response?

crispy_kilt ,

Your reply made little sense to me, I only just now understood where it comes from.

You probably think I am arguing in bad faith, just like the racists saying "all lives matter" as a dog whistle. I assure you, this is not the case. The crimes of Israel are terrible war crimes and those responsible need to be tried in an international court of human rights. The same goes for those responsible for the concert massacre.

I am saddened that people feel compelled to pick a side in this stupid an unnecessary war and then ignore, or at the very least excuse, the crimes of the side they picked.

The assholes of both the Israeli and the Hamas leaderships are complete and utter cunts. Normal people suffer because of their power politics. I hope you can see that.

archchan ,
@archchan@lemmy.ml avatar

Google is already a pro at gaslighting even without LLMs trained on Reddit's garbage.

"Web integrity is for your privacy and security" my cute ass.

Agent641 ,

Someone less lazy than me should use a script to feed existing comments into an LLM, which then reproduces a convincing sentence structure but incorrect gibberish content, and then edit all a user's comments - gradually, not all at once - to the poisoned content. Like 4chan did with the original captcha, but on a wider scale.

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

"Wipe out all of Europe"

jarfil ,
@jarfil@beehaw.org avatar

IIRC, one of the LLMs (was it OpenAI?) that crawled Reddit, had to manually remove subs like r/counting because they were messing with the training.

delirious_owl , to Privacy in Any EU based users of reddit should immediately file a complaint under GDPR with their supervisory authority
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Is there a way to export my data from reddit and archive it on Lemmy instead? I dont want my valuable contributions of difficult-to-find information to be lost forever by just deleting it

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Honestly you can just leave it be. If you stop generating new content the value of Reddit will drop.

Kissaki ,

You can export your reddit data. There's no simple, existing way to replicate it on Lemmy though.

The export is machine readable, so scripting a loop that creates posts from it would be viable and reasonably doable.

makingStuffForFun , to Free and Open Source Software in Looking for a REALLY simple video editor for win10, nothing fancy please! [E: already solved. Amazing, thanks!]
@makingStuffForFun@lemmy.ml avatar

Kdenlive

jemikwa ,

This is what I use for clips that I need to upload to friends. The Windows Xbox DVR saves the last 3 mins of gameplay, but I only need 15-30s of it.

EpicVision , to Free and Open Source Software in Looking for a REALLY simple video editor for win10, nothing fancy please! [E: already solved. Amazing, thanks!]

I remember having used Shotcut many years ago

mfat ,

Shotcut is amazing I still use it for work on a daily basis.

aleph , (edited ) to Free and Open Source Software in Looking for a REALLY simple video editor for win10, nothing fancy please! [E: already solved. Amazing, thanks!]
@aleph@lemm.ee avatar

For your use case, I'd go with LosslessCut as opposed Shotcut, Openshot, etc.

The reason being that it is much simpler and faster to use, and generally results in smaller filesizes because you aren't having to re-encode from scratch.

blindsight , (edited )

Nice. I should get that. I barely edit videos, but it's almost always just simple cutting. Not losing quality and increasing file size to reencoding would be great.

AdvicePleaseThankyou OP ,

Faster does appeal, I'll give it a look, thanks!

Damage , to Free and Open Source Software in Looking for a REALLY simple video editor for win10, nothing fancy please! [E: already solved. Amazing, thanks!]

Avidemux is very basic, if a little unintuitive

TheImpressiveX , to Free and Open Source Software in Looking for a REALLY simple video editor for win10, nothing fancy please! [E: already solved. Amazing, thanks!]
@TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml avatar

OpenShot may be the closest equivalent I can think of to WMM. Either that or Kdenlive (which can be pretty complex).

AdvicePleaseThankyou OP ,

Kdenlive looks entirely too overwhelming for me lol, but openshot looks perfect! Thank you!

delirious_owl , to Privacy in Any EU based users of reddit should immediately file a complaint under GDPR with their supervisory authority
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Isn't it a violation once they do something?

Maybe its illegal to make impossible promises to investors, but the GDPR supervisor authority wouldn't be the place to make that complaint...

AlteredStateBlob OP ,
@AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social avatar

It is not clear if reddit has already engaged in this with Google, or if it is something that's only starting. However, as outlined in my post, they might have to consult with a DPA before engaging in this anyway, which I doubt they have done. So, no, DPAs are absolutely the right place to make that complaint.

Even if they hadn't started yet, might as well get their eyes on it, and force them to do it right from the get go (which they cannot do, as it currently stands).

Firipu ,
@Firipu@startrek.website avatar

You really believe a large Corp like reddit decided on something as big as this without consulting with their lawyers? Fuck spez, but there's no way not a single lawyer working with reddit remembered the massive legislation that has by far had the largest impact on the internet in years.

Ephera ,

Corporate lawyers tend to be ...optimistic. And then management will put a risk calculation on top of that. As a result, most larger companies violate the GDPR. See the popular use of Google Analytics or Microsoft 365, for example, which are illegal in the EU, if you ask a DPA¹. Giving them a reality check is never a bad idea.

¹) https://www.imy.se/en/news/four-companies-must-stop-using-google-analytics/
https://news.itsfoss.com/microsoft-office-365-illegal-germany/

AlteredStateBlob OP ,
@AlteredStateBlob@kbin.social avatar

Especially US companies usually just do things and are willing to engage in lenghty legal battles after the fact.they are very, very litigous.

Another issue to consider is that the GPDR is held vague on purpose since it applies to your neighborhood yoga studio as well as Google or reddit. Entirely different use cases. So there is a lot of room for interpretation.

Looking at the conduct just within Europe, yes, I think it is possible GDPR considerations were either ignored or downplayed to the point of irrelevance. There was a recent study by noyb.eu which showed that DPOs are still often pressured to make recommendations that do not align with GDPR principles.

Either way, the DPAs will have to decide if the complaint has merit. Given new technologies are specifically mentioned im the GDPR, I am at least very curious to see how it turns out.

Ephera ,

Yeah, a formal complaint isn't quite intended for this purpose. Just writing to your data protection authority/officer to let them know that this is important to look after, will do the same here. They can then hand out a warning to Reddit.

BananaTrifleViolin , to Privacy in Any EU based users of reddit should immediately file a complaint under GDPR with their supervisory authority

PSA: GDPR still applies in law in the UK too; it has not been repealed

rmuk ,

...yet.

ahriboy ,
@ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

*UK GDPR. Because all EU legislations prior to Brexit have been made into domestic equivalents when the UK left the bloc.

TheHobbyist , to Privacy in Any EU based users of reddit should immediately file a complaint under GDPR with their supervisory authority

Former reddit user, deleted my accounts just a few weeks back, should I feel concern that my data may still be involved? I guess there would be no GDPR recourse for me anyway?

DmMacniel ,

Did you also deleted your comments and posts?

TheHobbyist ,

Yes, all content possible, before deleting my account.

onion ,

You didn't delete anything. You told reddit to delete stuff, but whether they actually did that is a different question. It isn't public on their website anymore, but the data might still be lying around on their servers

MouseWithBeer ,
@MouseWithBeer@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Yea they keep all the data. I deleted everything on my account when the whole shitshow happened and then GDPR requested the data associated with the account and it was all still there. And when I requested that they delete that too they outright refused.

Metz ,

i would love to see the answer from reddit because that sounds extremely illegal. keeping the data alone is already a violation.

vorpuni ,
@vorpuni@jlai.lu avatar

Can you post a short version of what you sent them for inspiration?

voracitude ,

If you're in the EU, I hope you have documentation of that. Could prove useful.

winterayars ,

That sounds like a gdpr violation. Companies can keep some things under the gdpr even when asked to delete them but i doubt your comments or whatever fall into that category.

LWD ,

Elsewhere in this thread, somebody mentions that Reddit only needs to unlink your comments from your identity in order for it to be technically legal for them to hang on to them.

But if you do a GDPR request for your account and it comes back with your comments, they clearly haven't even done that.

topinambour_rex ,
@topinambour_rex@lemmy.world avatar

You can ask to have everything related to you, to be deleted. Just provide your email.

banghida , to Privacy in Any EU based users of reddit should immediately file a complaint under GDPR with their supervisory authority

Former user, I've deleted my 12 years old account when Boost stopped working. I am not sure what can I do, I would gladly sue tbh.

TWeaK ,

If they still have your comments on the site then you still have a claim.

If they don't have the comments on the site, they probably do still retain the content secretly and technically you would have a claim, but it would be impossible to prove.

voracitude ,

Au contraire. If they didn't delete the information when asked to under the GDPR, and they get caught deleting evidence after a suit was filed (civil by one of us, criminal by the EU), they're in even bigger trouble. Reddit would have to be very careful to cover their tracks, and they won't be careful enough.

promitheas ,
@promitheas@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

My DPO basically told me that since reddit told me (I contacted reddit first as per the GDPR) that I can delete my comments myself I should go ahead and do that, and that my case was closed. Even after telling her that there were still 2 comments visible only when my profile is viewed "signed out", and I provided a screenshot of a regular browser window where I am signed in and an incognito window where I am not, her reply was that once I delete my account they will not be linked to me in any way so they do not violate the GDPR...

voracitude ,

Disappointing on the face of it, but not entirely unexpected. This will be an aggregate effort from members of the community; the next step is to write your local politician and ask why the response from their watchdog was so milquetoast?

promitheas ,
@promitheas@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Doesnt work that way over here sadly 😁🥲

TWeaK ,

It might not violate GDPR, but there's still copyright to it. Reddit haven't provided consideration in exchange for the rights they claim to your comment - access to the website is offered free of charge, regardless of whether you post.

Granted, that's a different avenue entirely, you'd have to take them to court for selling your work to train AI.

winterayars ,

Even if they don't have your comments, if you find a gdpr complaint they will have to show that. You can ask to see any data they have on you and also ask them to delete it. (If you're actually going to sue them don't ask them to delete it, though. You'll need that in court.)

lemmyingly ,

Boost hasn't stopped working. I'm still using it and I've used it everyday.

I have Boost for Lemmy and Reddit. Their icons are identical.

clay_pidgin , to Privacy in Any EU based users of reddit should immediately file a complaint under GDPR with their supervisory authority

Are there any comment shredding utilities that still work after the API apocalypse? I'm an American, so I can only look at you GDPR-havers in jealousy.

delirious_owl ,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Use a VPN to exit from an Irish proxy and make the report in Ireland.

Kory , to Privacy in Any EU based users of reddit should immediately file a complaint under GDPR with their supervisory authority
@Kory@lemmy.ml avatar

Done. Screw Reddit.

SteefLem , to Privacy in Any EU based users of reddit should immediately file a complaint under GDPR with their supervisory authority
@SteefLem@lemmy.world avatar

Done. Simple process and can do it “anonymously”

banghida ,

Where?

SteefLem ,
@SteefLem@lemmy.world avatar

For the dutch its: https://www.autoriteitpersoonsgegevens.nl/een-tip-of-klacht-indienen-bij-de-ap

But to be honest I think its already on their radar since its also in the news here (some) but every bit helps (i think)

Like the topic says in the last paragraph
“ Find your supervisory authority (just use google, for added irony) by searching for "Data Protection supervisory authority [the state you live in]". but with state you should fill in your country.

toothpaste_sandwich ,

...Any chance you could share what you wrote, for the truly lazy among us? Asking for a friend.

SteefLem ,
@SteefLem@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry didnt copy what i wrote. Some along the line of well what they are selling and to whom and pasted the url from this article in the box. Nothing to lengthy, so its not a bother to read, just the facts, as far as i know them that is. Keep it short and simple. You can also attach documents if you have any.

cosmicrookie , to Privacy in Any EU based users of reddit should immediately file a complaint under GDPR with their supervisory authority
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Even threatening with a GDPR request was taken seriously by them half a year æg when I deleted my account.

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