currently on a thinkpad t480 and im looking for framework to start shipping their products to the asian market in the next 5 to 10 years as i will be buying from them when this t480 finally kicks the bucket
Same for me, but still no shipping for my country, so I just bought a used T490 which will serve my needs for 4 years and then I'll go for framework; hopefully they are still kicking by then. If shipping was available I would for sure have gone for their 13'' laptop even though it's much more expensive and powerful than I need for personal use.
I like the philosophy and approach from them, but I think one of those Tuxedo ARM notebooks will be my next computer purchase. I’ve been jealous of the speed and battery life of people around me with M-Series MacBooks for a few years now, but unwilling to go to the OS and Asahi isn’t there for me yet.
Only reason I didn't switch yet was that my 6 years old Laptop still holds perfectly well and it would be counter productive to just change to a new device for no reason but the brand and that it is new
I'm on an Asus UX410U and he's been going well for 7 years. I'll probably need to replace it this year or next year as the screen is starting to go, but I feel 7 years is pretty good.
Not when I consider the price of replacing this box when it's no longer supported.
And even ignoring the longevity issue, $69 is a small premium for superior specs and open firmware, which I am unlikely to get anywhere else.
I find that spending a bit more for tools that work much better and last much longer is nearly always the right choice. Better functionality, less waste, less hassle, and usually less money in the long run.
I work in industry with MediaTek chips. We basically have to reverse engineer them to get anything done, because they refuse to give us anything, and what they do give us doesn't work.
They outlined processes of what happens next since vote was approved on 1-17-2024. According to this, I dont expect anything until end of year or next year before product is ready to be sold
The WSL part was just a joke, but I do sometimes test apps on waydroid as I am using an IPhone currently and I want to switch, so for that I try apps on waydroid so I can easily replace IOS exclusive apps when I make the switch.
Steam for Linux only has x86 builds right now and wine only translates system calls, so by default they won't work.
There are ways to get them to work though, but they mostly involve emulating x86. Given the performance of the current state of the art in RISC-V, that won't exactly go well right now.
That said, that's not what this machine is for at all. As a software developer working on developer tools for Linux, this is particularly interesting to me as a way to improve the Linux RISC-V ecosystem while dogfooding my own stuff.
Here's hoping this helps with getting a thinkpad keyboard into one of these things, I love my t420 to bits but sooner or later I'd like something a bit more efficient
I went with a Thinkpad for my most recent upgrade but I really, really wanted a Framework. If there was a straightforward trackpoint keyboard kit available for the Framework I’d be all in next round. There’s no love lost between Lenovo and I at this point.
Hot sauce! I didn’t know about that. Gonna follow that thread for sure. A laptop with good Linux support, choice of CPU, trackpoint that’s upgradeable and and supports hot pluggable hackable modules! This is the future I want to be in!
Here's the feature request for a TrackPoint on a Framework. Hope they change their mind, because a pointing stick is the most obvious use case for Framework 16's input modules.
I had a 386sx@25MHz too and I don't remember it being that slow. Unless that demo has the detail cranked up to high or something like that. Although, like that first commenter I had a math co-processor, so maybe that helped.
Or maybe my memory is off and I made the window tiny.
Are you sure you didn't set low-detail with the viewport cranked way down? I played it on the same model with a math co-processor and it could not handle high-detail and the large viewport in the video.
Edit: I'm fairly certain I had a math co-processor, but I'll defer to you on this detail just in case. That would certainly make a sizeable difference.
I think the detail level made a pretty big difference. I definitely ran it in low and kind of forgot that high was an option, but the shotgun animation in that video is bringing up some traumatic memories.
It’s unfortunate that they’re using an old processor, but this is super cool and shows that the framework platform allows companies to tinker with unusual laptop motherboards without having to design the rest of the device.
In terms of specifications all I can find is that this has a 2.0GHz 8-core RV64 processor with Vector. That's not a lot of info.
Does anybody know anything more about it? Performance level, battery life, etc. I expect this is really a phone or SBC level processor, so it should sip power, right?
Do not expect this thing to be a daily driver. It's aimed at developers who need a Risc-V testing platform. Very few Software will run on it unless you can spend hours making it compile for Risk-V and lets not talk about drivers. Also it will likely cost over $1000.
I am exited for the future of Risc-V in the consumer space, but we aren't there yet.
Not good. That bench is from a BananaPi with the same SoC, via reddit (sorry).
Maybe about an A55. If you want a performant RISC-V you've gotta wait until stuff leaks out of the European Supercomputer stuff onto the market though that one probably won't have good IPC either unless it's vector, or maybe one of the big chip design companies will grace us with a chip with a RISC-V insn decoder.
You can keep the array processors fed with low IPC and frequency by having absolutely massive vector lengths, the engineering for that kind of processor isn't in the pipeline, branch prediction etc. it's in the APUs and how to stream data into them. Much more like GPUs, in fact RISC-V has instructions for gather/scatter.
Disagree. You quite often have a fair degree of scaler code in between portions which are embarrassingly parallel. If you don't have a decent scaler core you are destined to be become bottlenecked on them. It's not that different to a CPU / GPU pairing. If one is under powered, it determines the speed of the overall system.
If you look at what a company like Tenstorrent is doing, they are designing high performance Risc-V cores as a side aspect of their main goal of doing array processors. The reason is because they couldn't find scaler cores on the market with enough performance to not bottleneck the system.
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