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boaratio ,

"choosing"

tslnox ,

On other news: disabled people are choosing not to walk.

creditCrazy ,
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Eye I have two really nice cars and I only ever take them out on tracks or going around the county side. Otherwise I to am taking the bike everywhere. Even if it means going through a hard ass mountain range. I honestly get it. Cars are expensive and if the only place you get to drive it on are highways and cities yea cars are pretty boring and frustrating. You really need a good mountain range or track to appreciate cars, and sadly those are becoming rarer and rarer for people and especially young folks. So thanks car sentric infrastructure for making cars boring and infuriating.

RubberElectrons ,
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I've got a motorcycle, but really enjoy my bicycle. Had a car for a few years way back in college, but after insurance and your first set of tires, you quickly realize cars kinda suck.

Then Uber and Lyft came out, I use them for getting to airports, but otherwise loving the bicycle life, even here in south LA.

Props to gen z for not buying into the earth-wrecking economy of fluids and tires and wipers and washes and oil changes and maintenance and and and...

werefreeatlast ,

It's very easy when you don't have enough money to buy a car.

Clent ,

All the articles have been written on millennial's so now they're going to sub in Gen Z.

Yoz ,

Please done hurt boomers feelings.

User79185 ,

I assume lots of Gen Z can only afford like 2 liters of gas anyways let alone a car...

knoopx ,

40 and I move by electric longboard. Fuck cars.

Lemonparty ,

They're choosing not to drive for the same reason they're choosing to be more thrifty, choosing not to go to college, choosing to live with their parents longer, and choosing not to buy homes. See if you can find the common denominator.

MashedTech ,

It's all a choice it seems. Damn these newer generations and their freedom of choosing the things that the older generations deemed great and easy to attain, the mindset of lazyness has encroached on the mind of the young ones through this TikTok and other electronic devices, poisoning their free will and corrupting their mind. Nobody thinks for themselves anymore these days.

ChillPenguin ,

Ah yes, that's the problem.

ByGourou ,

Wasn't it ironic ?

MashedTech ,

Ironic texts are only for the brain washed zoomers.

ArcaneSlime ,

Don't ya think?

notgold ,
@notgold@aussie.zone avatar

A little too ironic

werefreeatlast ,

And yeah, I really do think... It's like rea eee ain in your wedding day!

MashedTech ,

Of course, what other problem could it be? If only they choose to make other choices... I can't stop shaking my head in disappointment

adrian783 ,

you need to practice your sarcasm

spader312 ,

He forgot /s

Masamune ,

Ah yes, I see the problem. They don't know where their bootstraps are!

LeafOnTheWind ,

They need another lesson in pulling themselves up!

tslnox ,

Oh, they got the Velcros!

brian ,

idk, I have a car and a job that pays well enough that I don't feel right for gas money and such, but I'll still walk/public transit/bike when it's not terribly inconvenient and I feel like a lot of my same generation coworkers feel the same way.

sure money might be part of it for some, but definitely not the driving force in my circles

scrappydoo ,

Try living in Singapore, where it now costs SGD146,000 (USD106,000) just to have the right to own a car for ten years (a Certificate of Entitlement).

To be clear, that fee doesn’t actually buy you a car, it’s simply the cost of being allowed to own a car. For ten whole years, then you need to buy another one.

“A new standard Toyota Camry Hybrid costs around S$250,000 [~USD186,500] in Singapore, which includes the cost of a COE and taxes. That is about six times more expensive than in the US.”

It’s certainly one way to encourage the public to use mass transit (which is pretty good, luckily!).

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67014420

erwan ,

Singapour is also a country reduced to a city, so that certainly makes transportation easier. The US is on the opposite of the spectrum.

eskimofry ,

But are you really going to claim that a lot of people are commuting from New york to San Francisco daily (or even across one state?)

erwan ,

Singapore is just as big as NYC, and almost as dense. Cross border commuters from Malaysia do exist but are not the norm because it's a big pain.

Also what's true is Singapore might be true in NYC but NYC is not the norm in US, it's the exception.

eskimofry ,

It's still ridiculuous how car industry friendly zoning laws implemented in the U.S.A are hurting the citizens but people genuinely argue that it's good being stuck in their cars alone for 2 to 3 hours a day.

Aopen ,
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Singapores population density is 232 times higher than in USA

adrian783 ,

I wouldn't use the whole USA, should compare with metro areas

notgold ,
@notgold@aussie.zone avatar

https://versus.com/en/new-york-vs-singapore/population-density

CarlosCheddar ,

In some states getting a license is how you get registered to vote. I wouldn’t be surprised if registration programs were being defunded to prevent younger voters.

erwan ,

You can get an ID card from the DMV even if you don't drive.

nutsack ,

cities that are built around cars are a scam

Peppycito ,
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I'm in my 40's and only got my license 5 years ago. As well as environmental and economic reasons a big part of my refusal was power. A drivers license is the main way the state exerts power over the people. You should see a cops face when you tell them you don't have a drivers license, they lose their biggest threat against you. In the end I had to drive for work and I try to avoid doing so at all costs.

NotSteve_ ,

Do you not have ID cards in your country? In Canada we have ID cards and drivers licenses that are exactly the same minus one letting you drive

Peppycito ,
@Peppycito@sh.itjust.works avatar

I'm Canadian and had a BYID card issued by the LCBO. But the police can't threaten to take it away from you as a means of control.

NotSteve_ ,

I had no idea BYID cards were a thing. That's interesting though

Peppycito ,
@Peppycito@sh.itjust.works avatar

Almost no one did. They stopped the age of majority card at the time and there wasn't any replacement so they made that. It only lasted a few years. It was a really fake looking and I got a lot of doubting looks from bouncers and bankers and such. It took a force of will to get it accepted sometimes.

Now you can get a the same card as a drivers license but it's a different colour I think.

erwan ,

What can a cop do about your driving license if you're not driving when he talks to you?

Peppycito ,
@Peppycito@sh.itjust.works avatar

Mostly I mean it pegs you to the system and the threat of losing it keeps you in line.

adrian783 ,

what are these threats?

Resol ,
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My family keeps pressuring me to learn how to drive. I still say no, and will keep doing so for the rest of my life basically. I seriously do not wanna contribute to pollution and congestion.

In my country you're expected to know how to drive as early as 15, way before you even get your permit. I say fuck that.

Windex007 ,

I am also committed to not learning things, and am very proud of that!

fellstone ,
@fellstone@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I mean, you could learn how to drive but then never actually drive just to get them off your back. Besides, there is a chance you could be in a situation where you need to drive.

Plus, driver's licenses are the most commonly accepted form of ID.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

In a situation like this, I likely would've forgotten how to drive regardless since I never do it, and who knows what kind of disaster is waiting to happen in this case?

Also, I could just use my passport or my actual ID card.

trixter313 ,
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Another gen-z here, yeah I have no interest in something that requires me to pay insurance even if I'm not using it when my ebike gets me everywhere I need to go. Not to mention having way less potential to hurt someone else because of a lapse of attention on the roads. Add on the health and environmental benefits and that I don't pay for electricity in my house so it's free to fuel.

Lots of these comments feel out of touch or just in touch with their own ideals a little too much.

spader312 ,

Car insurance is getting super expensive even more so for younger folks. My renewal came in with GEICO and they raised my 6mo premium from $2500 to $3300. So I got a bunch of quotes from different companies all of them were around $3500-$4000 matching the same coverage. It's insane.

AA5B ,

One of my kids is saying similar. While I respect and support that choice, we’re in the US so that seriously limits the places you can live. I keep saying he really needs to learn how to drive while I’m helping him get started in life, then see if he can figure out a life without a car. Then it would be his choice, not a limitation

notgold ,
@notgold@aussie.zone avatar

My parents did the same thing for me. They made sure I could drive then encouraged me to take the bus. That way I would never be stuck.

RubberElectrons ,
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If you're doing it for that reason, add lessening manual into the mix as well. Maybe don't, I dunno.

AA5B ,

I’m not quite following this … if you’re saying to make sure they can drive manual transmission, I doubt they’ll ever see one. While I’ve said all my adult life that’s an important skill, the reality is in the US, manual transmissions have been pretty rare. It may have been a decade ago where is saw it was less than 5% of sales and has pretty much disappeared. With the advent of CVT, there’s no longer really a point, and of course EVs have no need for any transmission

RubberElectrons ,
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Yeah... You're probably right. They're still quite popular in foreign countries due to mechanical simplicity/robustness. In fact I've noted car rentals that are automatic tend to be a bit more expensive then manuals, which the locals use.

Regardless, do your thing and have fun.

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