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0nekoneko7 , (edited )
@0nekoneko7@lemmy.world avatar

Well, I know what to expect from the US government. The Automotive Companies are lobbying the government for the ban on Chinese competition from entering their market. on grounds of National security and sovereignty. starting by fearmongering, seeding the bias, hate, and negativity. The free market as long as it benefits US government interests.

Squizzy ,

As has been the way since its inception. Fruit company coups and prohibition to support lumer industries.

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

But are they wrong? Has China proven that they can be trusted? Will the Chinese government stay out of the businesses and not try to access the data they collect?

The answer is a resounding "No!"

0nekoneko7 ,
@0nekoneko7@lemmy.world avatar

My argument was about the course of action the US government will try to take to safeguard US automakers. Everyone knows this, Chinese EV entry will slice their bottom line and disrupt the market for already established Automakers in the US. If the consumer gets a better and an affordable option they'll go for it.

FenrirIII ,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

Affordable? Probably. Better? Doubtful.

0nekoneko7 ,
@0nekoneko7@lemmy.world avatar
  1. We all use our vehicles for transportation. it's check on that.
  2. Electric Vehicles are the future for a better environment. It checks on that.
  3. For safety automakers are ready for safety tests and improvements for certification. It checks on that too.

I think that's good enough for me.
I'm guessing you're rich enough to go offroading every day in your Bronco or Hummer.
Most people just use their vehicles to travel and work.

joel1974 ,

If government can ban tik tok can also ban Chinese electric vroom vroom

0nekoneko7 ,
@0nekoneko7@lemmy.world avatar

It's a free market, you're welcome to buy GMC and FORD. 💰 If you have that kind of money, go for Lambo or Maybach. 👍‍

Killer57 ,

We 100% need these cars to be sold in North America, fuck the current auto industry.

kameecoding ,

Hyundai/Kia are already doing that, that's why their issues are plastered everywhere ( especially on reddit and youtube) while something like Toyota having a worse recall just goes under the radar.

Squizzy ,

Toyota are also foreign and the biggest auto company in terms of numbers moved.

kameecoding ,

Yes but Toyota was an established player, Hyundai Kia is now eating into the market, hard, and are now the 3rd biggest automaker

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Just like in the 70s and 80s when the Big 3 couldn't make a reliable small car and the Japanese drank their milkshake.

Plus ça change, n'est pas?

hal_5700X ,
@hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works avatar

Have fun with cheaply made EVs. Who will break down very year.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Wait until they start with the "Chinese cars spy on you". It was the entire argument why Huawei phones couldn't even be sold in the US. Despite no evidence at all.

America has the largest spy network on the planet, and all electric cars spy on where we drive, how fast we drive, what we listen to etc. Some even film us while driving for "safety". But appearently that's OK, as long as the Chinese are not doing it. :)

asdfasdfasdf ,

Well, yeah? China is a hostile nation to us. They currently have over one million Uighurs in literal concentration camps as well.

They're the Nazi Germany of Asia, and yet people don't understand why we should stop trading with them since it will affect our sweet, sweet low prices.

1984 ,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

Is there any country that is not seen as hostile to the US?

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2023-06-03/Is-the-U-S-military-industrial-complex-responsible-for-constant-wars--1kkwwHNRhIc/index.html

asdfasdfasdf ,

Ah, nice "source"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CGTN_(TV_channel)#Reception

Aux ,

US is a nazi Germany of the world.

rikudou ,

Not from the US, but Europe is basically worse than the US when it comes to EVs and I'd still never consider a Chinese car. They are not really known for following safety standards. Or any standards for that matter.

mfdoom ,

They are already being sold in Australia, which has fairly strict safety standards

DrDominate ,
@DrDominate@lemmy.world avatar

They would get vetted by U.S safety standards before being sold, not by Chinese standards.

Xantar ,

How likely are those EVs to turn into "combustion" engines ? I've heard crazy stories the CCP would like to cover up.

random_character_a ,
@random_character_a@lemmy.world avatar

How about saying Chinese cars contain monosodium glutamate and it's very bad for you.

nevernevermore ,
@nevernevermore@kbin.social avatar

chinese EV's give me a headache

altima_neo ,
@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

I mean the best we got is Tesla. You see those damned things everywhere.

Theres been a ton of startups, but none of them are keeping up, or really trying to penetrate the market. Lucid was just aiming for the high end luxury segment. Fisker was dead on arrival. The only one thats really trying is Rivian, but theyre also focused on luxury, with some less expensive options years away.

Meanwhile, the big 3 are twiddling their thumbs. GM's got their EV platform, but the only car they got is a Cadillac. The Bolt is discontinued. Ford has the Mach E that no one wants, and I dont know what the hell Stellantis is doing.

The Japanese are behind as well, with only a couple of options from Toyota/Subaru, Nissan, and does Mazda even have anything?

Really, it seems like its the Koreans who are putting up the best fight.

As long as Chinese EVs arent sold in the US, I dont see these companies really stepping it up yet.

FunderPants ,

I think you might be a little behind on Chevy EV news. The boltEV is back, the bolt EUV is around, the Blazer is electric and so is the Equinox.

Blaster_M ,

... and the Blazer EV was immediately on recall because of showstopping bugs. They're trying too hard to rush out a super high tech car when they need to make it more basic to start with.

FunderPants ,

Yea they fucked up the software at launch pretty bad didn't they. It's apparently fixed now though.

Brunbrun6766 ,
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

Rivian is not targeting luxury. All their company goals are about sport utility. They're a little pricy though those new ones in the next few years look awesome price wise

technocrit ,

Rivian is not targeting luxury. All their company goals are about sport utility.

No luxury, just regular violence, waste, etc.

Brunbrun6766 ,
@Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world avatar

Wtf are you talking about

thejml ,

I see tons of Mach E’s around here. Not as many as Teslas yet, but I see on average two to three a day, which tracks to Teslas about 2 yrs ago in this area. So give it a bit of time. I’d seriously consider one if I was in the market for a new car. I just wish they didn’t call a small SUV a Mustang. “Domestic” US manufacturers are catching up.

That said, I’d love a Chinese 10-15k EV as long as it passed US crash standards and had a decent warranty. Competition is a good thing.

ShepherdPie ,

The problem is that $10-$15k Chinese EVs aren't competition as the Chinese government is paying the company directly for them to be that cheap. That's in comparison to a country where the best companies get is a $7500 credit toward their purchase. I would absolutely support Chinese EVs in the US if they weren't trying to undercut everyone with unsustainable subsidies just to put everyone else out of business.

ReallyActuallyFrankenstein ,

Yeah, this is the Chinese government's go-to plan at this point: fund copycat industries, subsidize the crap out of them, and use those subsidies until there's a global monopoly share and a field of dead competitors that couldn't match the subsidies.

Cell phones, major appliance manufacturing, solar panels... If we didn't learn the lesson before EVs, that's on us.

That said, not a lot of sympathy for the US auto companies' complacency. They've known EVs were the future for years, and there's no reason we shouldn't have options at every price point.

whotookkarl ,
@whotookkarl@lemmy.world avatar

I am pretty sure there are subsidies/grants/loans for auto companies under other governments too.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-offers-12-billion-automakers-suppliers-make-advanced-vehicles-2023-08-31/

ShepherdPie ,

Certainly but this can also be viewed as helping ease the transition for automakers since they've also implemented stricter efficiency rules upon them at the same time.

If we assume China is subsidizing $15k per car to allow them to sell for $10k, that $12B in US subsidies equates to about a single quarter worth of sales for just BYD alone, or 800k cars. There is no way we can match those subsidies for the rest of the players in the American market as around 13.5 million new cars are sold in the US each year.

TheReturnOfPEB ,

I'm ready for a $15,000 EV.

But I suppose the Ford, GM, and whatever else is left of the US auto industry will never be ready.

return2ozma OP ,
@return2ozma@lemmy.world avatar

How about a $10k EV? https://www.cnbc.com/2024/03/22/byd-seagull-ev-puts-global-auto-execs-politicians-on-edge.html

state_electrician ,

The problem is that Chinese models are so cheap because of government subsidies and slave labor. I still think that Western models are too expensive because of plain greed, but the Chinese models are not without problems either.

tailiat ,

Away from here with your logic and balanced views.

Supervivens ,

Considering the problems of non-penetrating welds, completely inactive airbags, constant fires, idk bout that chief. Like don’t get me wrong, Tesla ain’t it, but they aren’t this bad.

video full of clips of this happening

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

We should just get the top three car manufacturers to tell us how much the Chinese cars should be sold for in the states.

TheReturnOfPEB ,

ah yes the free market and its visible invisible hand.

autotldr Bot ,

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Chinese companies such as BYD, the biggest global rival to America’s Tesla, are forcing Western automakers to change their approach to electric vehicles if they want to remain competitive in a growing industry.

The company, whose name stands for Build Your Dreams, controls most of its own low-cost EV supply chain, from basic components to the ships that transport its vehicles overseas.

Even Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who made a surprise visit to Beijing last week, has said that without trade barriers Chinese EV makers would “demolish” their competitors.

China, in turn, has filed a case with the World Trade Organization accusing the U.S. of discriminating against Chinese products in its own electric vehicle subsidies.

In addition to tariffs and trade restrictions, Chinese EV makers would face a number of regulatory and compliance hurdles to selling cars in the U.S.

The move could clear the way for approval in China of Tesla’s highest level of self-driving software, whose safety and performance was criticized by U.S. regulators in a recent report.

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