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ChaoticEntropy ,
@ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk avatar

"More than a dozen employees" for Wells Fargo is basically no one.

Fedizen ,

why though? Were they not getting enough done?
And if its only like a dozen, does it justify the productiviry loss of hiring keyboard police?

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

Were they not getting enough done?

If not then fire them for that. Seems like a better metric that's more related to how well they do their job than "how much has your mouse moved?"

SloppyPuppy ,

Not defending them. But ill take their position for a second. I give x amount of work and expect you to finish it. And you do. But if that work takes you 2 hours and the rest of the day you do nothing it just means I can give you more work because 2 hours is just abysmal. So I wanna know about it.

FloatingAlong ,

Right, but if you're paying x for y amount of work, then once y is complete and you expect y to increase, does x increase as well?

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

So is my work measured by how much I move the mouse? In my job if I used an automatic mouse jiggler it would have zero effect on my employment, because I'm not being employed to move my mouse, I'm being employed to do productive work.

It's insane that such a program was useful. If your boss doesn't know the difference between you working or not, and only knows how much your mouse moves, that is a shit boss who is terrible at their job.

Malfeasant ,

Having worked in the financial industry for many years, I'm betting this has more to do with security than performance. Timeout before your screen locks is ridiculously short - you could be reading something, therefore not moving your mouse, then your screen locks, and you have to put in your password to unlock it. Then there's the nature of call center work, if you're not super busy, you might have a few minutes between calls, but when one comes in, you have to be immediately ready for it, not sitting there typing an overly complex password while an impatient customer is trying to give you all their information right away before you can take it down .. so I totally get the usefulness of a mouse jiggler. I wrote my own in Java way back when- actually it didn't jiggle the mouse, it was simpler to simulate a benign keypress, but same effect. I wrote it myself because I couldn't download one, any reputable site that I might get one from was blocked- but who knows, if I hadn't had the knowledge to write it, I might have been more motivated to find one, any one, any way, and that of course is a big nono- that's how keyloggers and shit like that end up compromising systems and leaking millions of passwords and/or credit card numbers... So I get why the company is concerned, even though I don't care.

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Honestly, the whole concept of locked down machines makes no sense to me. If you don't trust your employees, why did you hire them? Let them configure their own machines and secure the edge network and physical premesis. Happy employees won't steal from you, and they'll be motivated to protect their workstations so they can keep their job.

I just... don't understand any of it, and refuse to work anywhere that doesn't give me admin/root access to my work machine. Just let me do my job and you'll be happier with my performance...

intensely_human ,

How much the mouse moved is explicitly, pointedly NOT the metric they were fired for.

The reason is in the headline.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

How much work they were getting done is explicitly, pointedly NOT the metric they were fired for.

Why would a mouse jiggler be effective for any reason unless it was a metric being measured?

ClassifiedPancake ,

Exactly what I keep saying. Do they get the job done? Yes or No? Very simple question in my opinion.

intensely_human ,

Some people are paid on the basis of time, not accomplishment.

uriel238 ,
@uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

They don't care about productivity. They care about the appearance of control, and the revelation of subversive activity is a gross embarassment to the ego that thrives on that control.

It's a bully having a tantrum because his victims don't fear him enough.

Melvin_Ferd ,

To entrench back to office sentiment

Semi_Hemi_Demigod ,
@Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

Joke's on them, I can slack off just as hard in an office as I can at home

Malfeasant ,

More, even.

juice702 ,

So glad I work a job where if I show 'Away' on Teams no one says anything, because my work is getting done. Sounds like bad management imo.

Zink ,

I’ve noticed that I’m in away mode way more in office than when working from home. Nobody has ever said anything to me, but I guess I get more self conscious about it when I’m at home.

But then I’ve realized that ever since I started running Linux and using the browser versions of the M365 apps, I’m in Away mode a lot and I should just ignore it.

NigelFrobisher ,

Management: we need to find ways to automate work using AI

WallEx ,

The ai would also use mouse jigglers after a few Werks, its the work evvironment

Simulation6 ,

Gee, I would think a company like Wells Fargo would want to promote these innovators to management positions.

Eezyville ,
@Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

Wells Fargo must think this is some sort of flex.

RagingRobot ,

I think this is propaganda so other companies can say, "wells Fargo had an issue with this so we are going to start cracking down too". Then they can lay off a bunch of people and not have to give severance.

Jimmyeatsausage ,

They fired 12 employees of a workforce numbering over 216,000. Looks like they fired 1000x more employees (literally...12000) last year just because "that's business." What a nothingburger.

werefreeatlast ,

Chat-gpt can you please follow my mouse around and then just keep doing that movement for a while until I move the mouse myself? Put my video from yesterday's windows 11 recall at this time on so that any admin logging in right now can think that I'm actually working.

As a reminder, at work, an admin can login to your PC and watch a stupid mouse jiggler do its jiggling to catch you. Be smarter, work harder!

RaoulDook ,

All you really need is a better mouse mover. Cradle for the mouse with a wheel under it with a pattern designed to make the mouse move around randomly.

explodicle ,

Hardware solution is the way. Then they need much bigger software to detect it.

RaoulDook ,

Yep hardware that's not connected to your work device at all

werefreeatlast ,

But literally the admin can remote to your screen and watch the pointer jiggle if you're using a jiggler lol.

RaoulDook ,

I never mentioned a jiggler. I was talking about better devices that move the device at random. They can move the mouse all over the screen, but an observer might be able to see that it was not normal activity if they watched it for long.

Fjern ,
@Fjern@lemmy.world avatar

Oh lord.
Glad i don't live in a country where that kind of intrusion and surveillance is legal.

werefreeatlast ,

I think it hasn't been tried in court enough. Like it's illegal to watch you poop by installing a camera in the restroom and making sure you are actually pooping and not just sitting and pretending to poop.

But would the court find it illegal to have the laptop camera be used to secretly look at you say every 3 minutes to make sure you're focused on work and not slacking off?

Snowclone ,

More than 12!!!! 14? Come on. It's precious few people in a company that big.

phoenixz ,

I hate cheaters

Wells Fargo

I'll allow it

simplejack ,
@simplejack@lemmy.world avatar

What’s the best Jiggle Billy to use at work?

blackwateropeth ,

Sooooo we jigglin?

SirSamuel ,

Oh I ain't dead, I'm just real depressed

UltraGiGaGigantic ,

I got these here night vision goggles

BoringHusband ,

I do this too. It's called 'software development '.

cyberpunk007 ,

How did they find out?

MeekerThanBeaker ,

Installed applications can tell IT what software is installed on individual computers. IT usually doesn't care unless something could harm the computer or network... or until some higher up with nothing better to do tells them to do a search for someone like this.

I'm in IT and even I use a mouse jiggle app just so Teams doesn't show I'm away constantly. Even when I am working on another program, Teams can show the away status which annoys me.

Not everybody who uses it does it to goof off. Micro-managing is so stupid. There are other ways of knowing your employee is doing work.

cyberpunk007 ,

I'm also in IT and also using a jiggler.. lol. My jiggler shows up as a mouse in device manager. So that's why I ask the question. I switch my thunderbolt connection to another machine, so OS will just see a mouse disconnect/reconnect basically...

Unless they're monitoring my screen and seeing the mouse go one pixel up then down, I don't know how they accomplished it. Maybe by monitoring at an OS level which applications are in focus and for how long? How many key presses/mouse clicks in a certain time period?

afraid_of_zombies ,

I just set my teams to busy all the time. If someone wants to talk to me they can.

AlexanderESmith ,
@AlexanderESmith@social.alexanderesmith.com avatar

I always use the browser versions (partly because I don't like installing things, and partly because I run Linux), so it pretty much always shows me away. And I don't care.

Wahots ,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

Teams will show you as away even if you are watching a security training video or reading a long email..or waiting for a bunch of dataflows to refresh. It's a really bad way of calculating if someone is away.

interdimensionalmeme ,

Only reason they got got is the company used windows recall to spy on them

fuzzzerd ,

It's ok to think recall is invasive and bad for privacy, but it isn't even released yet. If you're gonna hate something and drag it through the mud, do it for real and valid reasons.

chemicalwonka ,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

There is a device on Aliexpress that mimics the mouse usage

MagicPterodactyl ,

That's what a mouse Jiggler is.

skeezix ,

< mind blown >

Nougat ,

https://youtu.be/KUXb7do9C-w

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