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Outer Wilds changed my life then Tunic changed it again

Edit: Game Recommendations by the people in the comments:

And some game recommendations by me to add on to the post:

  • Taiji
    • A 2D puzzle game where you slowly unravel how to solve each different element of the puzzles, eventually culminating in a massive puzzle gauntlet. Basically identical in concept and execution to The Witness, but still very much its own unique and fun game.
  • The Golden Idol
    • A puzzle game where each level you must examine a scene to figure out exactly what happened, eventually piecing together the full story over several levels. Don't let the art style put you off, it's an incredibly well done game. Most similar to Return of the Obra Dinn in concept.
  • Stories: The Path of Destinies
    • an action RPG with a branching choice-driven storyline, but not every story has a happy ending... You'll piece together the true story over multiple playthroughs and eventually find the one true path. It wasn't a particularly life-changing game but it was still a lot of fun and worth checking out if it sounds interesting!
DrCake ,

I’m interested in these types of games but fear that as I don’t have a a lot of time to play and don’t have regular times to play, I’d get half way through and just forget what’s going on.

Suburbanl3g3nd ,

Use a notepad. I find jotting notes down as a go helps a ton

tfw_no_toiletpaper ,

Even funnier if you return to the game like one or two years later and remember absolutely nothing.

rbits ,

Yeah. Had that problem with Chants of Senaar and Return of the Obra Dinn. Keeping notes definitely helps though.

dexa_scantron ,
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Lingo too! Gosh I wish I could forget Lingo and play through it again.

Ashen44 OP ,

I experienced Lingo through my friend discord streaming their playthrough of it. It's an awesome game but my goodness did we have to have a thesaurus open for some of the puzzles! I definitely would recommend anyone reading this check it out though, it's incredibly unique! I'd say the closest game in terms of vibes is Antichamber, but with word puzzles.

yjr4df0708 ,

noita

Godnroc ,

Noita's genre may as well be Trial and Error.

Kolanaki ,
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I tend to not get into these types of games because the progression is often a time-limited loop, and a lot of the time you have to go to the same place or do the same thing multiple times before you can finish it because those are places or actions that don't persist through a loop.

Similarly, games setup like Mario 64 where every level is intended to be played 5 or 6 times to get all the stars instead of just having it designed in a way that you can get everything in one go if you're good enough.

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Obra Dinn and Tunic are not like that.

Obra Dinn, you're just investigating a memory and doing detective work. You might notice a slip of paper, or broken glass, that helps you with the next step.

Tunic is more about unlocking pages, that you can then remembering that "ah to open up a red door, you have to do a little dance".

Both games, you can absolutely play them in a linear path without repeating the level over and over (like your example of Mario 64).

So I'd say give them a chance. :-)

rbits ,

Chants of Senaar too. I feel like the only game in the image that has you doing that stuff a bunch is Outer Wilds

Malgas ,

Of the games pictured in the image, only Outer Wilds has a mechanic like that.

tkk13909 ,
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I love Celeste for this exact reason!

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Is Celeste really knowledge-based? I thought it was muscle memory.

I only played it for like 15 minutes before realizing I don't have good reflexes.

tkk13909 ,
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There is a lot of muscle memory but what I'm saying is that you have access to every movement method from the start of the game.

Eagle0600 ,
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That's not really what this meme is talking about.

Almost all games are about mastery in some way, in which you use knowledge to progress, or to make progression easier, but the games listed have knowledge as progression itself, which is different. Imagine if simply knowing how to perform the right jump let you skip straight from the first chapter to the final climb up the mountain, and furthermore that the game expects you to do precisely that, and that's the kind of thing this meme is about.

SimplyTadpole ,

Hm, if so, then does Hypnospace Outlaw also count? That game has a lot of secrets and special programs that let you find hidden/unique stuff, and it's used to find crucial things in the final chapter, but most of them are already available right from the beginning if you know where to look, and the game is designed in a way where finding those early on is intentional for second-time players (either because it helps skip some chapters, or gives you useful upgrades sooner than you'd normally find them).

Eagle0600 ,
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I have never played Hypnospace Outlaw, but it sounds like a solid maybe.

RIP_Cheems ,
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You fool
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/e2d1c5f0-aa2d-497b-92d4-f93c5de2957e.jpeg

Ashen44 OP ,

YOU are the fool because I am harvesting this thread for game recommendations and you have fallen right into my trap! Muahaha!

RIP_Cheems ,
@RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world avatar

Tell me what you think about it when you get the game. I'm eager to know.

Ashen44 OP ,

It'll likely be a long while yet before I end up getting around to it but I'll keep you in mind

nifty ,
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You’re both fools because I am harvesting lols and game recommendations >:)

Godnroc ,

youtube.com/watch?v=msSDXRiQkQw

naevaTheRat ,
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There's an interesting game that's kinda similar called minit or something 60 second* time limit to play a zelda game but you keep some progress iirc.

It's an itch thing.

That skyrim mod turned game umm forgotten city? might also count. Good shit.

Ashen44 OP ,

Oh Minit! That was such a well done little game. It really lived up to its name in terms of length but that made sure it never let itself get stale. I'll have to check out The Forgotten City! I wrote it off because the other big Skyrim mod that's its own game, Enderal, just didn't mesh with me, but several people have recommended it now so I guess I'll have to give it a shot!

Thcdenton ,

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/7b24f1a4-0e8b-487a-8da4-ccfef836f769.webm

Rai ,

I hear you’re taking reccos. May I suggest The Forgotten City? It’s not quite the same, but has a very similar “learn wtf is happening* as you go” mechanic. Also it’s one of my favorites.

Ashen44 OP ,

Another comment recommended that as well, I'll add that to the list! I always love a good "wtf is going on" type mystery.

tills13 ,

Try Deathloop. It's actually a lot of fun once you get into it. Though the game will outright TELL you progression information every so often which can be annoying.

Ashen44 OP ,

I did try it and what I played was really fun but once I left the first zone, after 5 minutes the entire game would slow to an unplayable crawl :(

tills13 ,

Bit of a shill statement but Xbox + game pass is serious value if you can afford it.

Ashen44 OP ,

I have used gamepass, though if you mean on an actual Xbox unfortunately I am too poor for that option :(

Philharmonic3 ,

The whole soulsborne series

UsernameIsTooLon ,

I was gonna say, Elden Ring is the epitome of this statement.

Dark Souls 1 if you really love discovery and connectivity.

naevaTheRat ,
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you're joking if you think it isn't mimic tear and op weapon arts that get most of us through everything after leyndell. I didn't need to learn how to play to beat malania because blasphemous sword keeps her on naptime the entire fight.

UsernameIsTooLon ,

But that's the whole point? U can be OP if you want, or set yourself up for the freedom to choose a challenge. That in my mind is true open world and I've never seen any other game that's done it to the same degree.

naevaTheRat ,
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That is nothing like what OP is talking about. There's no amount of knowledge that means you could 1 try the entire game first go if you knew it.

MIDItheKID ,

This is like the 3rd time I've seen somebody bring up Outer Wilds today, and I still haven't played it. It looks like that might be next on my list.

clearleaf ,

That game was an instant classic.

mirisgaiss ,

I really like it but I'm a fucking dumbass apparently, because I'm stuck in it and can't find any more clues to get further. not as much fun if you're a dumbass

rbits ,

You can send a screenshot of your rumor log to the Outer Wilds discord if you want a hint, they're always helpful. Or I can help if you want

Ashen44 OP ,

It's easily one of my favourite games of all time, I cannot recommend it enough!

beneeney ,
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Idk if it's an exaggeration or not to say that Outer Wilds changed my life.
I played it years ago yet I still think about it nearly every day. I started learning guitar just to play songs from the game.
Highly recommend lol

chaosmarine92 ,

It was definitely worth the price of admission, but I didn't enjoy it enough to finish. The time loop mechanic just got annoying for me after a while. Having to time lots of different things and if you mess up you have to wait 15 minutes to try again.

SpunkyMcGoo ,

you don't have to wait, you can skip by meditating

Xttweaponttx ,

Just be so careful not to spoil anything. If you lookup hints, do it with keywords to avoid spoilers as much as possible!

One of a kind experience, definitely play it! 🙂

Sylvartas ,

It's a fantastic game. Can't recommend it enough

clearleaf ,

I call these puzzle box games because that's what they remind me of and nobody else has a name for them yet. There's one called Void Stranger that nobody ever talks about. Baba Is You is popular but nobody has mentioned it here yet. I think it's sad as hell that people let their dislike of Phil Fish ruin Fez for them. That's a really good game.

Ashen44 OP ,

Ooh, I think Void Stranger is the first game in this thread I've genuinely never heard of before! It looks very interesting! I'll definitely add that one to the list. Baba Is You is an absolute mind bender of a game. I keep going back to it but it fries my brain every time. I've gotten decently far but holy moly does it get difficult towards the end! Fez really must be good given how many people are still recommending it despite hating its creator. That's definitely a sign that it's a real classic!

SpunkyMcGoo ,

i booted up void stranger without knowing anything about it and saw the languages were english and finnish and instantly knew this was going to be another one of those solo finnish dev games that i will become obsessed with

then i got to stage 27 and fucked up the save-the-random-lady puzzle then the game saved itself and put 2 and 2 together and i think i'm going to have to complete this entire game without dying once to beat it

funger moment tbh

Linkyu ,
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Chants of Senaar mentioned!!!

euphoric_cat ,
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    Rozauhtuno ,
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    Obra Dinn and Outer Wilds are about unveiling a mistery.

    Heaven's Vault is about deciphering an ancient lost language.

    Ashen44 OP ,

    These are games where a major portion of the gameplay involves learning about the game. In Heaven's Vault and Chants of Sennaar this manifests as learning languages. In Return of the Obra Dinn this is figuring out what happened on the ship. In Tunic and The Outer Wilds this is based around knowledge checks, or mechanics that are present from the start of the game but you only learn how to exploit them much later.

    Piemanding ,

    There's also Roguelikes where most of the progression is just getting better at the game and knowledge on things to do.

    Ultraviolet ,

    You know how metroidvanias gate progression by having, for example, a jump you can't make without an upgrade, or a poison area you can't survive passing through without a way to be immune to poison, and so on? That, but instead of it being an upgrade your character gets, it's knowledge. You find a clue somewhere in the game that allows you to solve a puzzle elsewhere. You were always able to take the actions needed to solve it, you just had to learn that you could.

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