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Linkerbaan , (edited )
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Leave America and move to other country

Create socialist utopia

Get invaded and bombed to rubble because socialism is not allowed.

aliteral ,

Literally an argument used by Mileists here. And also conservatives.

explodicle ,

The notion that we can simply go test new ideas in a new country seems to be largely promoted by neoliberals, because it implies that liberalism is popular.

I sincerely wish we could have more tests like the Free State Project - now they just want to impose it on everyone.

Smorty ,

Wait you're not racist? Well, go away until you are!

Afterthought_C , (edited )

Saying "leave if you don't like your country's imperialism" is no different from saying "anyone who are not as racist as me should go kill themselves".

rayquetzalcoatl ,
@rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world avatar

No you don't get it, yanks are from the shining light of the world! The US is a perfect place that every other country looks up to, and even their problems are kind of cool!!!!

God I'm so sick of hearing about it 😂

electric_nan ,

If the Death Star is so bad, why don't you move to Alderaan and see how you like it??

iorale ,

Well tbf... México has been shitting on itself without help and we just put what most likely will be the final nail in the coffin with the last (and probably the LAST) elections, so not everything is USA's fault.

Not_mikey ,

A huge chunk of cartel funding comes from American demand for drugs. They could be a much more stable country if there weren't billions of dollars coming in to mega Corp level gangs that can corrupt and control large parts of the country.

jaybone ,

And that’s America’s fault? If so, what would we do to fix it? More drug legalization?

Dudewitbow ,

if its similar to marijuana, prices of drugs drop heavily when legalized. as long as something stays forbidden, the cost is extremely high, especially drugs that are popular with wealthy people.

Not_mikey ,

more drug legalization?

Yes! The war on drugs and prohibition has barely done any good and has been used to justify a police state to lock up black and brown people, made drugs less safe due to lack of regulation and traffickers making increasingly concentrated drugs to hide easier (fentanyl), destabilizes our neighbors and funnels money to criminal organizations that murder people daily to ensure their market. All of this so maybe a few less people will do drugs, even though drug use has gone up since the war on drugs started and the fact that a drug being illegal usually isn't , and shouldn't be, the main reason people don't do drugs.

trolololol ,

Also us lost the war on drugs so why keep fighting

iorale ,

Man... could you share some copium? Mine ran out a long time ago.
México wouldn't be more stable even if the drug cartels weren't here, do you know why?
Because we are fucking assholes; corruption, nepotism and populism would still run rampant and we (mexicans in general) would still enable them. The evidence were the last elections, the next elected president has blood in her hands among many other crimes but people didn't care as long as they get some pesos, their defendants blatantly said that they vote for her to make everyone else's life worse and to move the country to a fake communism where we no longer can vote.

So yeah... the USA might have done their part LONG AGO, but the current state of affairs has been all us, shitting on each other because fuck us.

areyouevenreal , (edited )

Do you mean Claudia Sheinbaum representing Morena?

volodya_ilich ,

do you know why?
Because we are fucking assholes; corruption, nepotism and populism would still run rampant and we (mexicans in general) would still enable them

I understand you're probably Mexican, but you're just being racist towards Mexican people. There's nothing inherent about Mexican people that makes them corruptible, tolerant to corruption, or assholes, or nepotists. The reality is Mexico is part of the global south, and so the global north basically forces it to adopt free trade agreements which allow companies from the global north to open factories and businesses there with misery wages and bad working conditions, and to export these goods and services to the global north at much reduced prices. This perpetuates a cycle in which the labor of the global north is consistently priced much higher than that of the global south, and there's a wealth extraction called "unequal exchange".

In the meanwhile, every effort is made so that there's no labor organization in the exploited country, and that elected leaders don't apply protectionism or even nationalizations.

So yes, it's fair to blame the US and the rest of the global north for the lack of development of most regions in Asia, Latin America, and Africa.

iorale ,

And I assume you are not mexican and only knows that side of the tale because your best card is calling me racist for something that I never said.

I never said it was inherent to us because we were mexicans, I said we are, we allowed it and we seem to look up to it because that's what we are showing and we've been showing for years. Why is it? I don't know, I'm no expert in psychology, but living since birth here in México has shown me it's a lie that we are mostly good, there are a couple good people but a bigger number would rather sink the ship to make their crewmates life worse than to try and make the ship better for everyone.

The USA played a big role at the beginning (I've never denied it), but so many years later we have nobody else to blame than us. Not even the politicians, we civilians enable them (some even protect them for free) and stopped protesting... And I mean actual protests, not just a small mobilisation that lasts a couple hours and then it's over.

Sgarcnl ,

Baldy lookin pretty dope in here

gruvn ,

I just like how Americans always seem to think they have the freedom to move to any country they want.

Kecessa ,

"If X gets elected I'm moving to Canada"

Both sides say the same thing, Republicans say it not realizing that Canada is in general much more progressive than the Democrats...

Transporter_Room_3 ,
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Man, I'd LOVE to move to Canada. It's a massive step to the left for me.

They wouldn't take me though. I'm not good enough for most countries, apparently.

Semjaza ,

I'm pretty sure they would, unless you're over 30.

Canada has one of the most open immigration policies in the world.

Icalasari ,

We don't even have citizenship through marriage

We have a very open refugee policy, but not immigration

voltaa ,

So many people don't seem to realize this, even people living here. The amount of people I work with who are shocked that my wife wasn't granted immediate citizenship and is still going through the process 7 years and two children later is quite high. I like to bring it up when they talk about how easy immigration is in Canada and how we're being overrun by immigrants.

nilloc ,

And you’re not far enough a way if we have a civil war to need refuge from.

qjkxbmwvz ,

Sure but how will they catch you if you just go to Transporter Room 3 and energize?

Kecessa , (edited )

I mean, why should a rich country accept people from other rich country if they don't bring any necessary qualifications to the table? You're not a refugee, the fact that the situation is shit in the USA is on the people that live there, it's not our responsibility to save you guys.

DragonTypeWyvern , (edited )

Liberals, lol. Like every extra obedient peasant isn't more productivity for the ruling class to siphon.

Kecessa ,

Why then don't we just let in anyone and everyone that wants to move from the USA to Canada?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

"What if completely made up scenario" indeed

Kecessa ,

You're the one saying that all extra hands are beneficial to the economy, yet we intentionally refuse people who apply for immigration, why? By your logic we should be welcoming everyone to boost our economy, right?

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Shitlibs, lol.

Kecessa ,

You know, you can just admit you were wrong instead of insulting people.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Who's this "person" I insulted?

Aceticon ,

In the West there are generally two big queues for immigration:

  • People who desperately need help, so refugees.
  • People who bring things we really need, typically skills (though many countries will also to it for mere wealth)

Americans don't (yet) qualify for the first queue and as for the second one it really depends on your skillset and wealth (if I remember it correctly Canada does have a VISA for people who bring enough money). Mind you, the skillset required to qualify for queue #2 is often not what one would expect - I vaguelly remembers something like "plumbers" and "pastry chefs". It's well worth it to check what are in-demand skills of the country you want to immigrate to if you need a VISA.

BigDiction ,

Remember learning about travel visas.

I got a valid U.S. Passport. What do you mean I can’t just give services money and go wherever I please?

refalo ,

money buys freedom, obviously

Asafum ,

And unfortunately it feeds into the right wingers arguments here...

"SEE! They get it! Not even those socialist asshole countries allow just anyone to move in so why can't we freely murder Mexicans that jump the border!?"

humbletightband ,

And if not US, it's UK, France or Russia

Then China

ladicius ,

Oh, you try moving from your ravaged country to our haven of stability? No, you don't. Or only if you let yourself be exploited as an underpaid protoslave.

Maddier1993 ,

Your comment made me think: Its funny that politicians who promise more strict borders and curtail immigration from Asia also support bombing the heck out of the Middle East.

Like, you gotta stop at some point and think.. "maybe we should stop being assholes and not plunder natural resources and call people extremist for opposing us"

technocrit ,

It's not funny or strange. That's how colonialism, imperialism, and capitalism have always functioned.

Icalasari ,

Hey now, Capitalism would rather beat those people into submission and turn them into slaves. Bombs cut into profit, ya know :u

Facebones ,

Like how people say to nuke Palestine. It'll never happen, the entire point of the genocide is to free up water side property for the elites

Killing_Spark ,

Well building bombs on the other hand is very lucrative. As long as you keep a few zones of earth as playgrounds for these bombs

NABDad ,

only if you let yourself be exploited as an underpaid protoslave

We're from the U.S. Anything less than that would feel too foreign.

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