First of all, "Read This Fine Manual." Secondly, I don't want people to use Linux. I'm not advocating anyone to use Linux, your best happiness costs $139 and that amount is included in the price of the device. Third, it's not for you to teach me good manners.
Wow, little girl saw the keyword "RTFM" and took offense....
Boys, I tried. But I couldn't get HDR working properly in KDE, the kernel kept randomly locking up to the point where even REISUB didn't do anything, and 95% of my GPU settings were missing from the Nvidia X Server app and I couldn't get most of them restored.
Linux users look at me like I'm insane when I ask where the RTX Video Enhancement and 3D settings are. Half the reason why I bought an RTX GPU was for the video enhancement features like SDR to HDR conversion and AI upscaling, yet these features simply don't exist in Linux. And when it comes to the 3D settings, "just change the graphics settings in-game", I've seen people say, failing to realize that the vast majority of games are missing several graphics settings that are in the 3D settings screen. I go into that menu and make tweaks before I play anything. It's a make-or-break feature for me.
I'm sorry but Linux still hasn't caught up enough with Windows yet in the gaming and HDR realm for me to commit to an OS change. But if you have an AMD GPU and don't have an HDR display, I'm sure it's a wonderful gaming experience for you. I'll check back again in another 5 years.
I'm in the same boat as you. I really wanted to switch. I had Ubuntu 20.04 installed on a partition from a previous attempt to convert. Installed all the software I needed, mapped my NAS, and then hit a huge roadblock when trying to connect my laser cutter.
Found plenty of support pages that all agree on possible issues related to either drivers or dial out access, but nothing worked. I researched and tried everything I found. So many USB drivers, a few different driver and package utilities and even drivers from repositories I came across on some Chinese websites that I had to translate and appeared to be related.
I got to a point that I thought a clean install might help. Uninstalled Ubuntu 20.04, installed Mint, tried everything again, uninstalled Mint, and finally installed Ubuntu 22.04. I spent 3 full days pushing back projects trying to communicate with my laser, but finally got to the point that I was going to miss deadlines if I didn't start running projects.
Booted up Windows and had no issues connecting and running. I was even able to drag in a second windows laptop that had never been used with the laser before, and it just worked immediately.
You're absolutely right that Linux is still missing a lot of the features that are available on Windows. But the freedom you get with it is so worth it for me, even if my 4090 is bored most of the time.
I just wish Linux partisans would acknowledge that Linux has serious shortcomings rather than constantly shouting about how there is literally no reason to ever use Windows.
I greatly prefer Linux for tasks like software development, but when I sit down to pay a game, I don't want to have to debug it first.
Of course Linux has shortcomings.
But compared to Windows, it's still the vastly better OS regarding compatibility, UI, UX, user friendliness and overall functionality. At least for me and my use cases (I use it for browsing, gaming, office, photo editing and as a streaming station).
You're mileage may vary.
To be fair, if you do not care about the newest iteration of whatever Nvidia is up to (Frame Generation, RTX HDR, etc.) and don't play games with kernel-level anti-cheat systems, there are really no issues with gaming on Linux these days - at least in my experience.
Let's wait for the next version of Windows, which will be distributed exclusively by paid subscription. Do you think Microsoft won't find a way to hard-cut Windows 10 and 11? We are living in an era of another economic crisis. So I'll meet you when you've learned the zen of the acronym RTFM.
The battlecry of everyone that bitches that people aren’t willing to use Linux but won’t bother to meet them where they are.
Does it ever occur to you that people often don’t even know what they need to Google? Half the time I do Google something, it comes to some forum or Reddit post of someone screaming READ THE FUCKING MANUAL, but not even giving that user some hint what they’re even looking for in your religious scriptures.
You want people to use Linux? You need to meet them where they are, not take it as an opportunity to show how smart much of a smartass you are.
I tried last week. Bunch of stuff in my system didn't work out of the gate, trying to use fixes that were meant for slightly different hardware/distro combos broke it further. Ultimately it became trying to start over or going back to the default Windows install.
So anyway, I'm using Windows on that machine now. How's your week been?
Oh, that was absolutely not my problem. The "crashing whenever it was put to sleep" part was my problem. The distro I tried was pretty good about wiping and repartitioning the drive I gave it without messing with anything else, actually. Gotta give it to Linux devs, at least at this point they fully acknowledge that "just checking this out to see if I like it" is a major use case.
I used distro "ShouldWork" and GPU "ShouldBeSupported". And given that it didn't work and wasn't supported, I didn't keep troubleshooting it, because I already have a OS install that works and requires no troubleshooting.
I would love a one click install for each of my specific devices that is reliable out of the box, but that's not the world we live in, so in this timeline that computer is back to Windows now.
Seriously, you guys need to stop trying to troubleshoot Linux's shortcomings at people. I know. Everybody knows. If you don't, that's the first thing any tutorial will tell you. I'm not looking for technical help, just sharing an anecdote.
If you're curious, no, I couldn't do Pop because I needed some specific libraries and kernel modules to support this particular device's power management and I/O quirks and those were only officially supported in a handful of distros, so I picked one of the ones with better documentation, and even that wasn't meant for my specific hardware.
Not that it matters, because it's a laptop with a iGPU and a dGPU, and the Intel iGPU was just fine out of the box, so getting the Nvidia dGPU to work well was way down my priority list for this exercise, since the device was meant mostly for web browsing and media consumption. Instead, I had issues with sleep mode, since that was related to those specific modifications, and I coudn't figure out a way to make it wake from boot without locking up, which is a pretty big dealbreaker for a device on a battery. Plus the embedded audio controls had some issues, the touchpad was flaky and eventually trying to go through the process of getting that dGPU running exposed other compatibility troubles.
I was ready to roll back to Windows once I noticed the touchpad acceleration was messy out of the gate, honestly, that's my bar for troubleshooting tolerance. So no, I didn't fail to do a cursory Google search in 2020 and find out that Nvidia support is messy. I knew that my slightly nonstandard device was going to be a bit of a challenge, but was hoping to get lucky. Didn't get lucky and went back to what works on it. It's not a call for help, it's just a thing that happened last time I tried to switch a device to Linux.
Believe what you want. I actually would like to move some (more) of my devices over. I'm just not so married to any one OS to try super hard. I just use whatever works.
It's kinda nuts to me that not everybody is on the same page with that.
Something doesn't add up. My guess is you're using a MacBook but don't want to tell us for obvious reasons.
There's literally no reason for "specific libraries and kernel modules" when installing Linux on any x86 PC. It makes no sense.
Hah. Nope. There's a ton of custom features on hardware that need tweaking all over Windows laptops. There are entire forums dedicated to specific brands out there. None of this was much of a surprise, I had put off giving this a try because I had read about the hoops I'd have to jump through and been too lazy to try.
Huh. I've installed Linux on anything from an old 32bit netbook to a Fujitsu convertible that both had such a fucked up UEFI implementation they couldn't even boot a standard Windows ISO without Ventoy in grub mode, as well as a cobbled-together Workstation with Nvidia graphics, and never ran into issues like this.
At least you tried! And annoying that you stumbled upon hw issues.
If you ever want to try again what about getting hold of an old drive, or try dual boot, then you can swap back to windows easily and there's less pressure for Linux to work out of the box.
As you say the guides you used didn't match, try and research more about what is the correct distro for you, and maybe start with one that looks like a sure bet.
Guys, seriously, I know how to do this. I've installed Linux on random PCs for decades. It's not my first rodeo.
Once you turn the century it starts to get annoying when people's default stance to legit compatibility issues becomes to affect condescending patience at you. I knew how to set up a dual boot (I chose not to, instead directly booting from an external drive, which works just fine and allows you to revert by just yanking it out), I knew how to find support (the guides don't match because the laptop family I was using needs specific libraries and kernel modifications and my model is relatively rare so the tutorials aren't meant for it specifically).
I swear, the Linux community, such as it is, thinks that everybody backing off is some technically illiterate rando and mostly scared of UX differences and typing terminal commands. That's really not the case. All available Linux DEs are extremely easy to parse for both Windows and MacOs users, being able to copy/paste text to take semi-complex actions instead of digging through the visual interface saves some time and the total normies that could use this type of feedback aren't trying to do this in the first place. It's fine.
I'll try again next time I have a disposable computer that has some specific plug-and-play distro ready to go. Maybe. If I feel like it. And if I need tech help with it, I'll gladly ask. For now, though, this particular machine is back to Windows because the troubleshooting is more of a hassle than the transition is an improvement. That's the beginning and the end of this conversation, really.
I mean, call it what you want, that's why I qualified it in the first place.
I'm not mad at them, but it's been long enough that I do find it frustrating that you can't share any degree of a technical problem or UX issue without having a bunch of people crawl from under every rock to share with you the same three pieces of Linux 101 advice.
Nah, I don't have a problem at all. That's my point. I never asked for help and got a bunch of condescending, inapplicable, very basic advice regardless.
I shrugged it off the first couple of times. Which, if I say so myself, was big of me, considering this has been going on for twenty five years. I'm exceedingly patient, if anything.
Look, it's the age-old story of social media: your well-intentioned post with basic anecdote is the first time you bring it up, but the hundredth time the person you're responding to has been in this exact conversation. They're not snippy at you because they're trolling or arrogant, they've just been having a dozen people tell them the same obviously wrong exact thing every five minutes for a while and are increasingly unwilling to go through the motions.
That's a big, important lesson when you're trying to make an online space grow, if you want to be constructive about it and bring this little spat back to topic.
You're like a rogue, misunderstood Guru on a journey of 'I know leave me alone, I was describing the meta-woes of seeming to carry a dearth of knowledge, not the lack itself'.
Just pointing out from a passing ship; yeah, I see the semantic headaches and agree it's a silly maritime tradition.
Nah, my point is there is no "dearth of knowledge", there is a genuine lack of support and I said so at the off pretty openly in far less florid language.
But also, if it took a "guru" to get this stuff done that'd be a good argument against this stuff being viable for the mainstream, and about how useless the basic advice being providd would be, so it works for me either way.
Windows runs my laptop harder, uses more battery and the fans are spinning a lot of times whist it runs almost silent in Linux. I've settled on EndeavourOS which has given me a headache-free experience for my hardware (lenovo yoga pro 7 7840hs). Only keep widows for BIOS updates otherwise I'd have nuked that hodge podge of software melange.
If you're really set on windows you could try tiny11 to remove most of the bloat.
I mean, yeah, Linux ran leaner and felt a bit snappier in the OS and in like-for-like loads on Firefox, but the difference is a few dB, I can certainly live with it.
I'm not "set" on anything here, if I hadn't had issues with compatibility I would have stuck with Linux on it. I really, really don't mind either for most tasks.
the fans are spinning a lot of times whist it runs almost silent in Linux
In my experience that is because Linux (or whatever part of it that’s responsible) will only start cooling if it absolutely has to. Otherwise it’s happy to cook my laptop at 92°C.
I’ve just finished reinstalling mint after applying a fix that was supposed to let me control the fans fucked up xOrg beyond repair. Multi-monitor setup is broken. On Ubuntu I couldn’t even get the Wifi to work. Manjaro refused to update packages because after installing a usual 300+ package update surge, suddenly everything was in conflict with each other. On all distros I needed to edit a config file so external speakers wouldn’t hum at full volume when no sound was playing.
Even with the supposedly ‘easy’ distros, Linux still isn’t an everyman’s operating system.
Linux seems to be really weird like that. I run it on every computer I can get my hands on, from an old netbook to a modern convertible, to a gaming PC with Nvidia graphics, and haven't had any major issues with any distro I tried (I tried all the independent ones, not a fan of derivatives).
But on the other hand, some people seem to run into ALL the issues.
Beats me.
Realistically, he would call it ElonOS, hire a bunch of shitty systems programmers to cobble together a bullshit operating system mostly comprised of code stolen from other open source projects, insist that it be written in python because "python is critical to AI," talk about how the OS integrates with AI seamlessly while having no actual AI in it at all, sell it with a tiered subscription that locked basic functionality, like being able to use the file system, behind a paywall, and then quickly abandon the project and fire everyone involved, having made no real money from the venture but still referring to it as a "triumph of engineering."
If he wants to name it after something he loves, he could name it ApartheidOS, EmeraldMineOS, ApartheidEmeraldMineOS, etc. The possibilities are endless.
I wish I could. I've been trying with mint but it won't boot into it except the first time. Then I had to keep formatting the usbs and one USB said it had 4 mb instead of the 32 gigs
I've been doing that over and over. But as soon as I download the iso file it goes to 4 mb being free space. On the manager it shows there is more space
you sure that usb has 32gigs? might be scam one that says it gas more space than it does (would also explain the boot problem maybe?)
but you said it launched fine once so i'm not sure/a mint iso won't fit on 4mbs? but reformatting should definitely "reset" the usb... . have you tried it with a different one?
I've tried it with two different usbs. Maybe I should try a different brand. I bought both from micro center. I think the boot problem might be from having to copy and change a text for something in the files. But I can't do that with the small amount of space left
Honestly Linux VR is pretty good with vive. There's some excellent work done on Vive Pro 2 drivers and they work really well. Still have issues with some games like No Man's Sky or with the headset's cameras, but with other games like Beat Saber it gets a lot better performance. I honestly find BS unplayable on Windows because of CPU load.
Yep, it forces the survey. Because some of us will be using steam on Linux for years and still never see it. But this way it'll allow you to do it regardless.
Just don't go spamming, it's only valid for the first 1-2 days of the month and you can only upload once.
Controversial take, endeavor is Arch. Just without the major hurdles. I installed Gentoo once. I learned a lot. Things like, I never want to do that again. It was cool and all. But I'm good with click, install, and get on with my life. I do however like rolling releases and not having to wait years to have less outdated versions. Though to some extent flat paks are slowly alleviating that.
Also for some reason the image gives me serious Sam vibes.
Arch like/lite? Sure. But without the ability to use the Aur safely you're missing nearly half or more of what Arch has to offer. I've waited a long time for a really good Linux distribution that had an easier usage curve than Gentoo while having a semi decent portage/ports system like the BSD do.
It can still definitely work for a quick and easy Linux gaming system. If your priority is Steam and Nvidia Graphics drivers installed no fuss. Then again so can nobara or the steamos variants.
I'm not going to lie or hate though. I absolutely ran manjaro first before moving on to proper Arch. It was just easy and painless until it got to things like ports and the Aur.
Considering that the AUR is a repo of build packages that are managed by users, it’s mostly unsafe because of that- not being in manjaro (which also uses pacman, and as far as I know just a different flavor.)
If you really want to use the AUR, you just have to turn it on. As with any package builds, it’s safe to use if you check the build and see what it does- and you need to be doing that in arch too. (Or not. Fun times.)
You aren't wrong about the aur. Similar could be said about flat packs snaps Etc however. We should always audit our systems regularly.
That said, Manjaro is different enough that even enabling the Aur is a bad idea. I know from experience as I've done several reinstalls Etc. Because of Manjaro issues with the aur. They really shouldn't even ship access to it. Because Manjaro does so many Breaking changes. It's one of many bad decisions on the part of Manjaros maintainers. Ubuntu may be Debian and based. But it's not Debian. Manjaro is the same.
The rest of them basically are Arch just with a few tweaks, themes, base install, and installer.
That was kinda my experience as well when I ran vanilla Arch for a bit, First day was just finding and installing stuff that already came on Endeavour.
After I had an SSD issue had to switch to another drive I didn't really see grabbing regular Arch again as worth the extra hassle.
I use void which is kind of like arch but it trades software availability for making it less likely to bork itself. I'm really pissed that I can't have virtual box or monodevelop on here. There certain c# related things that can only be done with either monodevelop or Microsoft Visual Studio. Next time I do a distro reinstall I'm going with Debian.
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