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femboy_bird ,
@femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

"tracker blocker or content blocker or adblocker, whatever you call it" ah yes expert

kbal ,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

The surprise is that apparently 28 percent of "experienced programmers" don't have an ad blocker. I'm not sure how they got the data, but I wonder if their methods are up to the task of sorting out any possible inverse correlation between blocking ads and being willing to respond to polls.

Specal ,

"experienced programmers" in would have web developers fall under that umbrella, I'd guess web developers are less likely to adopt adblockers if their livelihood depends on them

bitchkat ,

experienced just means they've been doing it for some time, it says nothing about how well they do it.

Specal ,

Hence the quotations ;)

creditCrazy ,
@creditCrazy@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe the pol was distributed via ads

Boxtifer ,

There's a surprising amount of programmers that don't know basics of various parts of an operating system. I know people that know several languages, but get lost on installing a mod pack for a game or installing an app from within another app like a browser.

LordCrom ,

True. 100%
Even today I had to screen share with our lead DB developer to show him how to create a key and ssh to a host.

Also worked with a guy who would design custom circuit boards for devices, but his windows skill was less than my mother's (which is terrible)

greenmarty ,

Could he be Linux guy perhaps ?

LordCrom ,

Nope, just bad using any computer OS

jjjalljs ,

The engineer who sat next to me at my old job didn't use an adblocker. She also would just ignore anything on the screen that wasn't directly related to her task. There'd be "please update" OS popups or "do you want to install a plugin for markdown?" ide prompts on her screen for days. When I'd roll over to work on something at her desk I'd be like "how do you work like this?" she was like "like what?"

She was pretty good at engineering and generally smart. I don't know how she did it.

mrmanager , (edited )
@mrmanager@lemmy.today avatar

I'm wondering about her reason for not using one too. What is the advantage?

She thinks the web can't exist without ads? It can, because it did once.

iopq ,

My mom, in her 60s, is an experienced programmer. She programmed before she had the internet

HowManyNimons ,

20 years pro experience here: I run several different browsers in various states of blockedness for various reasons. But when I'm off the clock, of course, it's firefox with ublock.

IamCocktailSucker ,

Majority of Americans now use ad blockers

Most of them don't even know what phone they have. This article is completely false lol

Xanis ,

If the ads are unobtrusive and interesting, and not clearly based on harvested personal data, I wouldn't mind.

Unfoorrrtunately...

sugar_in_your_tea ,

Exactly.

I was excited for Brave when they talked about service privacy-friendly ads and sharing revenue with sites. That obviously didn't happen, but I think it is a good idea in general.

I don't mind privacy-respecting ads like sponsorships and whatnot in videos, but I absolutely cannot stand the data-harvesting ads used almost everywhere, as well as ads in services I've paid for.

EddoWagt ,

There's a Dutch tech website called tweakers.net, a while ago they removed all tracking cookies and all ads are now just banners based on the current web page. I have adblocker disabled for that website and I'm happy with that

arin ,

Read it as BLOCK AIDS

spez_ ,

It's the same

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

I used to not run an ad block. I figured the ads didn't bother me so why bother?

Then I encountered a banner ad that screamed "HELLOOOOOOOOOO" anytime the mouse went over it and I couldn't download an ad blocker fast enough.

Advertising companies will do anything they can to annoy the shit out of you, then act like people running ad blockers are the problem.

Katrisia ,

Wow! Pranks from 2004 are ads in 2024.

Specal ,

I once watched a 60 minute ad because I wondered (what would a 60min ad even be about) and I can't remember

Ragnarok314159 ,

That shitty Epoch Times used to do that. I was watching a bunch of satire videos and one of their commercials was on, and I legitimately thought it was part of the skit because of how stupid it was.

Then it hit me it is a real ad. And real people are watching it. And that’s how I got radicalized even more.

captainlezbian ,

I was fine with unobtrusive ads, I was fine with a minute of ads before a YouTube video. But it got so bad it was constantly interrupting everything. Also want to know what’s extremely unpleasant? Political ads calling for a moral panic against you or taking bigotry against you as a general assumption. I’m not watching that bullshit. My life is better without ads

Smoke ,
@Smoke@frogdrool.net avatar

@boem good.

Kalysta ,

Back in the day, major news sites like the BBC ran ads that were infected with malware that then infected computers. These weren’t shady sites like people expect you to get viruses from.

Installed an ad blocker the day that news broke and never looked back. Ads are potentially harmful to your devices.

slumberlust ,

This is still an issue today.

Nommer ,

The WoW forums around 2012 had a virus infect thousands of computers before blizzard removed it. It was a 3rd party ad that was spreading the virus.

Ragnarok314159 ,

I remember that, thousands of people got keyloggers and their accounts compromised. Then Blizzard tried to blame those people for getting infected, from the Blizzard website.

dog_ ,

W

csm10495 ,
@csm10495@sh.itjust.works avatar

I never get to be the 1 millionth visitor anymore

Ragnarok314159 ,

Or learn about hot Milfs in your area.

PrettyFlyForAFatGuy ,

Many websites, especially on the sketchy side of the internet, are completely unusable without adblockers

istanbullu ,

The internet is unusable without an adblocker.. I recommend uBlock Origin and Pihole.

iAmNotorious ,
@iAmNotorious@lemmy.world avatar

uBlock Origin at a minimum. But I would suggest a privacy focused browser. Librewolf, Mulvad or even Brave. Browsers leak
so much information about you it is easy for sites to fingerprint and track you even with an ad blocker.

https://privacytests.org/

I know Librewolf is working on their DNS leakage (last section on privacytests.org), but they also allow you to select a privacy focused DNS server which is nice when you’re not on a network you own, so you can’t run PiHole.

johannesvanderwhales ,

Is there a big advantage to a pihole in addition to ublock?

slouching_employer ,

Pihole will also block non-browser traffic (e.g. your OS phoning home). Adblocking extensions are typically restricted to just blocking traffic of the browser it’s installed on.

It also operates on your entire home network, so it can block junk traffic on devices that can’t run adblockers.

Riven ,
@Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Got any simple guides for simpletons like me?

Patches ,

It is shockingly irresponsible of the Author to not include security concerns of advertisements in their article.

AdolfSchmitler ,

Great ad I saw recently was a Charlie Day Mt Dew commercial. He said one word and a Mt Dew sign dropped over him and he yelled in his Charlie Day voice, "Hey I didn't even take a drink yet!" And that was the commercial.

Short. Sweet. Funny.

4grams ,
@4grams@awful.systems avatar

I've always thought that the ad supported internet is something people will eventually get sick of and the financial foundation would evolve over time to find models that don't rely on infinite spam. Instead efforts are focussed on forcing us to view them. At this point I'm expecting the next version of Chrome to require the Ludovico technique while browsing.

RememberTheApollo_ ,

The problem is they’re trying to double down on infinite spam by implementing infinite subscriptions alongside it.

IndefiniteBen ,

I mean, many (several?) sites tried optional subscriptions where you pay to get rid of ads, but that doesn't seem to have worked. Judging by the fact that most sites that have subscriptions instead of ads use pay walls.

People have come to expect free access, so if you can easily use an ad blocker, why would you choose to pay to remove the ads that a blocker removes for free.

SwampYankee ,

Let's just take NYT for example. Subscription costs $325/year. Why would I ever pay that much? It's not 1954. I'm not sitting down with my morning coffee and reading the damn thing front to back. I'm reading maybe one article a week from 15 different sources. Am I supposed to pay $5000/year just to cover my bases?

As with everything else in [CURRENT YEAR] the value proposition is so absurdly out of step with reality that fixing it basically relies on rolling out the guillotines.

Wogi ,

Not only do people expect free access, they feel entitled to endless free content.

God forbid YouTube charge a subscription fee to help pay creators or show ads. No no, we all gotta jump on whatever app makes it free of ads and denies anyone a single cent for the content consumed.

Even if YouTube is the actual devil, other platforms exist that do a better job of paying creators but we don't talk about Nebula, we just talk about getting around the ads at YouTube without letting YouTube ever see a cent. As if having millions of videos available at the touch of a finger to anyone with an Internet connection is somehow free.

CileTheSane ,
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

The problem with YouTube is they will keep adding more ads until people stop tolerating it.

It used to be a single ad at the start of the video you could skip after 5 seconds. Now it's multiple unskippable ads before the video starts. Often you don't know if this is the video you want anyway, and if it's not you spent more time on the ads than the video itself.

Once you do find the video you want you get random interruptions mid sentence for more unskippable ads. If people just shrug and say "they have to pay for it somehow" then YouTube rubs their hands together and puts more ads in until they find the point where more ads = less viewership.

If the single "skip after 5s" ad was untenable long term then they shouldn't have started with a service they couldn't actually provide. I'm sick of these companies purposely running an unprofitable business just to get users, and then when they change the model to try to become profitable act like it's the users fault that the company sold them on something they can't maintain.

If you want to support a creator do it through Patreon. The amount they get from YouTube is garbage. If I didn't have a way to block YouTube ads I just wouldn't watch YouTube anymore, so they aren't losing any money from me running an AdBlock.

Wiz ,

Nebula is good. Maybe different models besides YouTube are in order.

Some seem to do OK with:

Peertube + LiberaPay

Randelung ,

I'm not visiting any of those sites regularly. I'm not subscribing to any outlet without sampling their content, either. So that was always going to fail.

In the before times you were able to purchase one edition of a paper and be done with it. Now it's subscription only, so they won't see a dime from me.

4grams ,
@4grams@awful.systems avatar

IMHO the problem is the same one as everywhere. Companies are no longer interested in creating products, they are only interested in creating revenue streams. I've been working on my finances lately and it's incredible how many 'products' have become subscriptions over time.

I'd love to be able to buy a day's access, or access to an article. If I want to share it, I'm willing to pay a small fee to show it to certain folks. I feel like there could be a market there but in the current financial climate it would never get any interest or backing because it wouldn't be a method to capture people into a reoccurring billing cycle.

TheMonkeyLord ,
@TheMonkeyLord@sopuli.xyz avatar

Something I think is interesting is that, in order for companies to adopt these better non ad reliant models, they would have to dramatically scale down.

In a climate where ad and clicks = revenue, your solution is to scale as large as you can and pump out content to maximize views. But that wouldn't work under normal models

4grams ,
@4grams@awful.systems avatar

if I ran the world, these tech companies would get the ma bell treatment, heck the current phone companies need a round 2.

Ragnarok314159 ,

As does the entire financial sector

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