Ive had a pixel before with grapheneos but that comes with its own problems, it still uses google services just in a sandbox.
Its cool but I just ended up switching back to normal android because Id rather deal with google entirely or not at all. Not some half and half bs which is unfortunately what android is. Even at the most basic form AOSP is basically unusable without some random google service running in the background.
You don't have to use Google services. They are fully optional, and not installed by default. AOSP/GrapheneOS without Google services is very usable, there are only very few things you can't do without proprietary services. You still have the option to create a separate user profile (which are also improved by GrapheneOS btw) to install Google Play services, and keep it isolated from the rest of your apps and data.
Hate that the overwhelming majority of phones don't have the ability to just install an alternative OS. I know it's because of hardware, but holy hell, the amount of hardware on PCs Linux supports is massive, and only a fraction of it is hardware that has released any real specifications to create a Free version of its driver. I don't think we've really concentrated on creating such things for phones in the same way or we'd be able to throw a phone UI version of Linux on nearly any phone out there. As it is, each alternative is limited to half a dozen or a little more of generally the same phones, and they're generally expensive as hell.
Where's my btw I use Arch phone? Because I want my btw I use Arch phone.
Linux phones might already be good, that's not the issue.
The issue is apps like my bank app, I need to be able to access and manage my bank accounts from my phone. How is that going to work on a non android phone?
If there is a solution for things like that, I'll drop Google in a heartbeat
Different shortcuts, ways of customizing the browser, etc. the browser may feel like second nature to you currently, but for others, there's friction in changing the software you've use for over a decade, and I say this as a current Floorp user
I guess a more honest way to phrase it is "people who are unwilling to learn a new browser", since there's nothing specifically difficult about Firefox.
Let the blame rest with the user that won't learn, and not with the software they refuse to learn.
I use Floorp and JUMPED to it from Firefox because I had a mediocre Firefox experience. I fancy myself a power user and was not a fan. The idea that the majority who try Firefox and have issues are in the wrong and the minority who enjoy the experience are right seems backwards...
I'll be honest; I bounce between several browsers - Firefox, Chromium, Chrome, and even sometimes Edge, and sometimes it takes a second for me to even remember which one I'm looking at. Firefox is great for very specific work flows I have, but for a lot of other things, most other browsers will do.
Maybe it's because I tend to bounce around that I find it very interesting to hear that FF is difficult to use.
What shortcuts are different? Basically most of web browser shortcuts are universal, e.g. Ctrl/Cmd + L to focus on the URL bar, F5 or Ctrl + R to reload, Alt + Left/Right arrow to go back/forward, Ctrl + D to bookmark, Ctrl + T to open a new tab, Ctrl + W to close a tab, etc. I've been using these for decades across different browsers, god damn they even work in Apple's Safari
I'm not a user of brave, but I did a quick Google and it looks like they're ad blocking will be unaffected. As for other extensions, I think that at least some will be supported for a year, while others may break immediately but I didn't take too deep TBH
There is absolutely nothing difficult to use in Firefox. If anything it's easier, as most of the settings aren't arbitrarily hidden to prevent you from changing them. There are also fewer bullshit settings because they aren't harvesting your data.
I switched to Firefox 6 months ago as a test experiment. I literally have NO REASON to ever open chrome again. Imported my passwords and the transition was smooth as butter. And I am a stubborn turd that hates change. Firefox plus Ublock origin and superagent fixed everything wrong with the internet for me.
What gets me about this change is that it hurts enterprise more than anybody. I don't use chrome anymore for anything in my personal life, and haven't in several years now. However, it's the only browser I can use for work. 🤷🏻♂️
I'm similarly wondering about these changes getting ported to MS Edge. I have Ublock Origin on Edge on my work computer now, but if they move Edge to Manifest v3 then I guess Ublock won't work, then my work browser will be less secure.
please use "I still don't care about cookies", the original one has been bought by Avast, who in turn belong to Gen Digital, owner of AVG, Norton and Avira - not the most trustworthy names anymore.
i referred to this part of your post - the addon does not add filter lists but skips GDPR Cookie dialogs by denying all. you can install it from addons.mozilla.org
Browsers based on chromium do not have to follow exactly what the main branch is doing.
If they want to keep supporting MV2 or support different rules for MV3, they can. Albeit it's a bit cumbersome.
yup, I use Vivaldi and will never use another browser. has everything I need right in it. built in ad blocker and tracking blocker, integrated with the Fediverse, insanely customizable, and it's lighter than firefox. I like firefox but i find it to be a ram hog.
It depends. It will not affect many of them until 2025 when enterprise support for v2 ends and by then other arrangements and fixes might be. Brave in particular I would not worry yet.
Pros: vertical tabs, web apps, side panel, workspaces, many customizations. to be clear tho, Firefox has already stated they will be incorporating most of these features by version 130 or sooner.
Cons: no mobile app, video playback with DRM may be an issue on some sites, uncertain future, essentially it's maintained by one dev so if they ever go the future is uncertain.
tl;dr, Floorp is kind of like Vivaldi with customizing and privacy in mind, but based on Firefox's gecko engine
Instead of being a dick about it, why don’t you show what they’re doing and why you don’t like it, so we can all be educated and/or have a conversation about it, so everyone can decide for themselves if it’s a problem for them?
Probably because they knew it'd devolve into stupid comments like yours. Honestly what were you trying to achieve by just baselessly calling someone a Mozilla shill?
But for anybody curious, the "AI" that Mozilla will be implementing is entirely optional, trained on open source datasets that have been ethically sourced, works entirely offline, is run locally, and doesn't send your personal info to Mozilla.
It will be used for things like better offline translation, finding alternate sources for articles if you want to find them, spotting fake reviews, as well as accessibility features like a better screen reader and image descriptions for images without a manually added description tag.
Personally my issues with AI are pretty much entirely related to stealing training data, and using AI as an excuse to push more ads and scrape more userdata. That's not the case here, and this should not be treated like Google/MS's AI features.
You find it stupid because without me you wouldn't have needed 3 entire paragraphs explaining away a "feature". You're obviously too idiotic to realise that though, and would prefer people to not know about the AI.
Ironic considering you think it's such a good feature lmao. As if. You're just post-hoc rationalising the enshittification because you all drool for Firefox like good little shills.
I'm curious, what exactly are your issues with the AI implementations the poster above you mentioned?
Because to me, they seem like very specific usecases where they actually offer benefits. It doesn't seem like someone just went "everyone is doing ai... Let's slap ai on Firefox so we stay one of the cool kids!".
Example: I live in a country where I don't speak the language. Instead of using a plugin for Firefox which translates e.g. government sites by sending them to Google translate, FF has been handling this locally for a couple of months now. Seems like a win to me.
Similarly, I imagine that vision impaired folks will receive a real benefit by not having to deal with the way-too-large number of websites not providing alt tags for images.
If (yes, I know, big IF) the models FF ships are indeed ethically trained and run fully locally... Then I kinda don't get the issue
It had its lows and highs in my opinion. But yeah Firefox on desktop is a great experience right now. Sadly I can't say that about mobile version, it's frustrating to say the least.
Not that benchmarks matter a whole lot these days, but I think for some benchmarks it was faster than Chrome. It's close enough to not even be a factor, in any case.
Also, it has a feature that Chrome seemingly has no analogue for, and that is: containers.
I never entirely stopped using Firefox. I still use Chrome alongside Firefox for certain things at work.
