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Treczoks ,

FTFY: Windows feature that screenshots everything labeled is a security “disaster”

captain_aggravated ,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

How does this make Microsoft money? What's their path to selling the result of this feature?

elxeno ,

Probably targeted ads, since they claim the data doesn't leave the device, they get the AI to figure out what type of ads to show.

fine_sandy_bottom ,

This. The answer is always ads.

elxeno ,

And they get it for free, using your electricity and hardware for the AI and also avoids some liability that comes with your personal data/EU compliance.

exanime ,

You need to drop big money for the new PCs that can run this crap... Plus you can bet they'll mine your data and sell you off like a chubby prostitute from the 1800s

librejoe ,

This, they are getting kickbacks from laptop OEMs because people will now need to buy expensive computers again. They were stagnating there for a while finding a way to charge people alot who only need a PC for basic tasks, and now they will be buying a laptop basically the same price as a entry/mid gaming laptop. Now you cannot use price to say "oh windows laptops are cheaper than macs". That's out the door. As I said above though, disregarding privacy, Chromebooks are what most people only need for their day to day tasks, and arm based ones last super long on a single charge.

aard ,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

As a non-Windows-user I see that as a good thing. LLMs are not going away - but that kind of nonsense at least will make sure all PCs will eventually have cheap and reasonably fast AI acceleration. Which is required for killing off centrally hosted LLMs (plus nvidias cash grabbing)

trollbearpig , (edited )

Hahahahahahahahahaha. Just like crypto obsesion gave us cheap crypto chips in all personal computers? Get real dude, this is just a way for them to steal even more data from people. Nothing good will come from this. Quite the oposite, we will see yet another price increase in hardware because all AI dumbasses will hoard them yet again. Don't forget these are the same morons that were pushing for cryptos and nfcs hahaha. These are people who believe in magic free money, too bad they sometimes get it because our society is built by retards. I really can't stand people looking for a possitive in this dissaster ...

SuperSpruce ,

The NPUs are good, provided that they can be used the same way dedicated GPUs are used: By 3rd party applications to accelerate certain intensive tasks when you demand them.

However, shoehorning AI into the OS itself definitely screams buzzwords. AI and OS's are polar opposites: You want an OS to be fast, predictable, and reliable. AI is currently slow, extremely unpredictable, and hallucinatory (i.e. unreliable).

zerofk ,

Don’t worry, DRM-ed content isn’t recorded, so big companies’ IP is protected.

Deceptichum ,
@Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

Always keep Netflix open and playing to stay safe?

Rinox ,

I think only the player is blocked, and would be shown in the screenshots as a black rectangle

Wispy2891 ,

So it’s not a new feature. Since windows 95 print screen can’t screenshot videos for technical issues. Instead of fixing the bug they’re promoting it to feature

Rinox ,

It's not a bug, it's 110% intentional and not only for the windows default screenshot utility. The whole pipeline is built in such a way to prevent you from taking screenshots or capturing video of a DRM protected player.

Even in Linux, afaik, you can't simply take screenshots or record a Netflix movie playing in the browser. Yes there are ways, but not with the default applications (you need to break the encryption)

Wispy2891 ,

I remember that in the windows 9x age I tried taking screenshots of the matrix avi and all I got was a black rectangle. I assumed that it was how the graphics worked as when pasted in paint it would act like a “hole” where if you moved the window it stayed in the place of the video player. Like if it’s not in the graphic buffer because it’s an accelerated directx video or something like that. Not an expert and also more than 20 years passed and my memory is wonky

dual_sport_dork ,
@dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world avatar

That's precisely how the old ATI TV tuner cards worked. They masked part of your display and any pixels that were the mask color became the video player, because the decoding and injection into your video signal was happening in hardware on the tuner card, not on your regular graphics card.

This allowed you to do dumb stunts like scribble hot magenta areas anywhere on your screen with MS Paint and the scribbled areas would magically become video from the TV tuner.

Xantar ,

Make Mario my desktop background and stay protected forever by the holy power of Nintendo's lawyers.

perviouslyiner , (edited )

Can you add a banknote or EURion symbol somewhere to dissuade image-processing software?

librejoe ,

Kirbo will step in with Luigi with a cross.

ndondo ,

If the data stays on a local device why is drm protection even necessary 🤔

helenslunch ,
@helenslunch@feddit.nl avatar

Because it is locally accessible and could be distributed elsewhere. I guess? I'm not sure what kind of copyrights can be broken by a screenshot in the first place.

fox2263 ,

How different is this vs the previous feature which was their version of apples Time Machine?

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemmy.world avatar

This isn’t file backup. This takes a screenshot every few minutes, OCRs it, and stores all that in an unencrypted SQLite file in your user folder for anyone to grab.

Basically anything on your screen is recorded and stored, theoretically forever.

fox2263 ,

What use is it if it its not backup?

tabular ,
@tabular@lemmy.world avatar

Data harvesting.

themoonisacheese ,
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

It's fed to an ai. Supposedly so you can ask it "what's this product and where can I buy it fast" instead of using your fingers like a normal person.

barsquid ,

Exactly. You know how people are suspicious that they were talking about something and later see ads for it? Microsoft will now capture all your inputs to build an ad profile. "It doesn't leave your computer," yeah your computer just makes hyper-specific requests for ads.

muntedcrocodile ,

Unfortunatly had to upgrade to windows11 thank god for tiny11, winutil, MAS, and virtualbox.

librejoe ,

If you don't need winapps/battery life start looking into Linux

muntedcrocodile ,

Ohh i only run windows in a vm. Am loving the linux propaganda this might finally be the year of the linux desktop.

librejoe ,

Oh lol good. The only issue I have with Linux is laptops and battery life. It's a YMMV situation as some have same or better battery life, while some it's alot worse than windows even with tools like tlp and stuff.

TheGrandNagus ,

And for battery life, see if you can find any info on what others have got with your machine. I've got anything from a fair bit better, to the same, to an absolute catastrophe.

NaibofTabr ,

If you’re faced with the tradeoff between security and another priority, your answer is clear: Do security. In some cases, this will mean prioritizing security above other things we do, such as releasing new features or providing ongoing support for legacy systems. This is key to advancing both our platform quality and capability such that we can protect the digital estates of our customers and build a safer world for all.

Satya Nadella, CEO of Microsoft, 03 May 2024

You keep using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means.

sirico , (edited )
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

How has it taken them this long to publish the story? Real frontline tech journos

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

Kinda funny, not too long ago it was a fun mental exercise if you were paying attention to the tech industry to try to think of the ways in which Google or MS could fall.

Now, AFAICT, neither are falling any time soon, but there certainly seems to be a shift in how they're perceived and how their brand sits in the market (where even so I'm still probably in a bubble on this).

But I'm not sure how predictable it would have been that both would look silly stumbling for AI dominance.

And, yea, I'm chalking recall up to the AI race as it seems like a grab for training data to me, and IIRC there were some clues around that this could be true.

orca ,
@orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts avatar

Microsoft has become a weird one. On the side of things like GitHub and VSCode, they’ve done really well and have fostered amazing tools. I have friends that work on the developer side of things there and love it. But then you look at Windows and it’s a damn abomination. It’s easily one of the most anti-consumer pieces of software in existence.

JeeBaiChow ,

Microsoft: trust us bro!

orca ,
@orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts avatar

I just installed Nobara today so I could finally rid myself of Windows hell and it’s been amazing.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Is that a linux distro?

Quik ,

It is, a gaming focused Fedora distro to be exact.

Dudewitbow ,

Nobara is a Fedora distro(essentially backed by IBM) by Glorious Eggroll (developer who made Proton GE) designed to be more gaming user oriented, as many of its preincluded configs and applications were tailored to gamers.

TxzK ,
@TxzK@lemmy.zip avatar

Calling Fedora IBM backed feels so wrong but technically true I guess.

sasquash ,

I am currently using Fedora mostly for gaming. I wonder what's different to Nobara?

themoonisacheese ,
@themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works avatar

From their site:

Fedora with user-friendly fixes added.

It seems the fixes are mostly related to better onboarding and avoiding the terminal for basic stuff, like adding yum repos. If you're already familiar with Linux it shouldn't offer you much beyond the nice-to-have kernel patches and better Nvidia compatibility.

sasquash ,

Thx. Nvidia compatibility was the only problem I had so far. But I could solve it myself. Will check Nobara maybe the next time I get issues.

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

It's also preinstalled with Steam and Lutris, and includes a pile of graphical tweaks for running games and video editing suites like daVinci Resolve, etc.

I_Miss_Daniel ,

Lol I read that as Norton at first!

taiyang ,

I just installed Norton Anti-Virus Suite and it's been amazing. I haven't been able to use my computer since!

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

No chance the crypto-mining trojan can make any money for it's creator, Norton uses up all available processing power doing whatever the fuck it is that it does.

librejoe ,

Norton OS. It's just full of trials to their software.

orca ,
@orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts avatar

Oh god why lmao. NortonOS™️

sailingbythelee ,

I want to do the same, but I'm on the fence between Nobara and Bazzite.

orca ,
@orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts avatar

Bazzite looks like it’s way more customizable and expanded. I might actually dual boot it out of curiosity.

Lost_My_Mind ,

Source: DUH!!!!

Xantar ,

Another study: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/b60e96a8-e225-40bd-8c74-f869e04b4e13.jpeg

then_three_more ,

Peer review https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/007/242/no_shit_sherlock.jpg

Grass ,

the only irl person I know says it like: "no, shit-sherlock" and that's just how I read it in my head now

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