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Mammothmothman ,

Land of the fee and the home of the grave

Kolanaki ,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I keep seeing an ad that starts off with "the best things in life are free! Air... Water..." And I'm like "where the fuck are you that water is free?"

nokturne213 ,
@nokturne213@sopuli.xyz avatar

Somewhere someone has a well?

thurstylark ,

Did that hole in the ground spontaneously appear of its own accord, or do you think it might be more likely that a professional was paid to do that, along with installing electrical equipment in the hole to bring the water to the surface for use?

Well water ain't free either.

PineRune ,

My dad had a well at once house he had. Something broke on it, and the city (suburbs, but still) stepped in and forced him to pay several thousand dollars to have excavators come out and hook the house up to city water. They wouldn't let him fix the well.

Edit: I think the pump gave out, and the city stepped in because zoning laws changed since the house was built. The well was grandfathered in to old zoning laws until the pump broke.

NinePeedles ,

Anecdote about living on a well. We live in a new house in the New England. The cost of our water is the cost of the electricity to run the water pump. It's not very expensive.
The best part /s about having a well is when there's a bad storm that knocks out power, we lose water.
When neighbors in the area know a storm is coming, we have to take steps like filling our bathtubs with water to use for flushing our toilets and stocking up on gallons of water from the grocery store.

nokturne213 ,
@nokturne213@sopuli.xyz avatar

I grew up with a well, I also grew up without indoor plumbing, and my father still relies on that well. We eventually installed a manual pump, but at some point the electric pump was replaced and the manual was never reinstalled.

thurstylark ,

I'll bite: Arkansas (and probably some other states that I'm less aware of)

It's an old law from the westward expansion days which says that any establishment that sells food and/or drink is not allowed to charge for the serving of water itself. Some businesses get around this by automatically upcharging for a larger size than their "standard" drink serving size (read: anything beyond "small"), or by charging for the cup, but the vast majority still follow the spirit of the law and don't charge for water because of the cultural momentum.

You're still right, though. There are costs associated with acquiring and maintaining a supply of potable water, so this law effectively forces businesses to eat the cost of the water they serve to customers. However, that's such a small percentage of a restaurant's water use that it's trivial to cover by other means.

pyrflie ,

Anywhere diarrhea isn't the norm. This means well water (holy shit is that a lot of digging) or treated water. Either way that shit costs money. The alternative is boiling. Tea and alcohol were popular for centuries for a reason. Clean Water is something of a modern luxury.

anguo ,

Tap water is free in Montreal, Canada. You pay for a small fixed rate along with your electricity bill, but the water pipe network is so old and leaky they never actually installed meters.

LodeMike ,

The fuck? Is water free in that town?

PeepinGoodArgs ,

Being underpaid despite working really hard and being a victim of Wells Fargo's overdraft tricks in the late 2000s.

MentallyExhausted ,

Those fuckers opened a credit card without my permission and funneled overdraft fees to it. Ruined my credit as a young adult.

Pyro ,

Confused on how letting someone else use your water can be illegal.

doingthestuff ,

I got the same response when I was helping a neighbor who needed electric repairs and had to shut off all of his power for a week. A cop saw an extension cord running between our very close homes and at least he warned us to disconnect immediately and if they saw it again they'd shut off our power.

cerement ,
@cerement@slrpnk.net avatar

there’s the Florida man who’s been repeatedly arrested for feeding the homeless …

doingthestuff ,

Oh man I work with a food pantry that serves a weekly free meal and we've been trying to get a commercial fire suppression system for many months now. The county and township have been making it as difficult and slow as possible. And really expensive.

YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH ,

They put people from food not bombs on trial in Houston not long ago. The jury came back with a non guilty verdict because the law is fucking stupid and feeding hungry people is always good.

Neato ,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

Jury nullification for the win.

Natanael ,

There was a similar case where they couldn't even get to a trial because almost every single potential juror disqualified themselves immediately when they heard what the charges were by stating they would not uphold that law (the court only want people on the jury who will plausible apply the law "neutrally")

YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH ,

“I am pro every law. Please put me on this jury so I can do my duty. No, I have never heard of jury nullification. Fuck the homeless, am I right your honor?” - me desperately trying to get on this jury

maculata ,

Hide the cable

quindraco ,

Why would they shut off your power? You'd be paying for the extra power being delivered to you, right? Why would they care what you did with it?

And regardless, that's a far cry from it being illegal.

DessertStorms ,

Those making the money off of our basic needs also own the politicians "working for the people" (via "lobbying", aka bribery), so they essentially make the rules for themselves, and they don't like "competition", simple.

LodeMike ,

I'd assume the excuse is "multiple households using one tap would strain it" or something??

Creosm ,
@Creosm@lemmy.world avatar

If the tap can handle the functionality it was made for it would be a disservice not to use it

Vorticity ,

I'd guess they're saying that the person using water from the hose is avoiding the consequences of non payment while they still owe money.

LodeMike ,

Yes I know but if the police are doing it there's gotta be a law and that law presumably had some discussion.

Hacksaw ,

The consequence is the water is shut off. There is no avoiding that.

The neighbour is PAYING for every drop of water that comes out of the hose. Who uses that water isn't up to anyone except the neighbour since he owns the water he paid for.

Any other interpretation of property rights is due to people trying to punish the poor for their poverty.

Vorticity ,

I don't disagree with you at all. I'm just pointing out the logic of the people who made the laws and those enforcing them.

sverit ,

Fuckin waterdealers!

ada ,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The "left" government of my country deciding that overt inhumanity towards refugees was not only something they could overlook, but also something that they were going to make part of their formal policy

And then years later, I transitioned. If I hadn't already have been pushed over the line, that would have done it...

SurfinBird ,

All these years later, still annoyed that the answer comes before the question.

PineRune ,

I thought you were making a political statement at first. "How does this make sense?" I asked myself. Oh, they mean the twitter/other platform format.

SurfinBird ,

Yeah at this point I’ve seen these reposted enough that the political statement has lost its punch but the Twix formatting bothers me even more.

Zagorath ,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

I thought it was whinging about the dumb premise Jeopardy half-heartedly uses…

LodeMike ,

Because the quote poster is using it wrong. She should have replied. Quote posting is supposed to be used like a screenshot of the original post but not a screenshot.

stebo02 ,
@stebo02@sopuli.xyz avatar

On Xhitter it actually depends whether you want to share your story to other people reading the replies, or rather to your own followers. This case is the latter.

xor ,

i’m annoyed that even if i boycott evil social media sites and try to use the fediverse, half of the posts are still screenshots from twitter….

Annoyed_Crabby ,

I'm also annoyed that these are "meme" now.

DavidDoesLemmy ,
@DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone avatar

What country would do this?

Creosm ,
@Creosm@lemmy.world avatar

Clearly not a good one, that's for sure

Vorticity ,

As an American, I'm betting on the US. The likely argument is that the person using their neighbor's hose still owes money to the utility company and allowing them to use water for free is allowing them to avoid consequences of non payment.

Ridiculous, but the logic seems like something I've seen many times in the US.

shneancy ,

I've seen it in Poland in certain places too. Some residents of a multifamily block of flats have their heating turned off at all times, but the block owners still demand money of them because "they got passive heating from their neighbours heating"

ffs as if this wasn't a service you buy but a privilage to use it

UnityDevice ,

I mean that makes sense at least, because otherwise the adjacent neighbours will be having to pay more as they're still heating their apparent. You do have to make some sacrifices when living in a block, that's one of them.

Swedneck ,
@Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

you have to make some sacrifices when living in a block, like paying for extra heating if others have it turned off :)

UnityDevice , (edited )

Well I believe if someone is benefiting from a common good, they should contribute to that good, but maybe I'm not Laissez-faire enough for this world, or "leftymemes".

hessenjunge ,

I used to live in a flat Germany where I never needed to turn the heat on as I was surrounded by overheating elderly people. I did not save on heating as the counter somehow measured room temperature, but warm water/gas consumption. This was a couple of decades ago in Germany.

Karyoplasma ,

Access to water should be a human right. But how would Nestlé make money if it were? Think about the shareholders!

quindraco ,

Nah, the attitude expressed here makes the water utility less money, and hence makes no sense in the US.

valek879 ,

You would think that but you underestimate how much the system likes to punish those who labor for it.

NickwithaC ,
@NickwithaC@lemmy.world avatar

A real shit hole...

Tb0n3 ,

Who the fuck gave the cops the authority to shut people's utilities off? I can maybe understand if they meant to say the cops supervised the utility worker.

BluJay320 ,
@BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

My right to exist becoming a political issue definitely played a part

Ensign_Crab ,

Initially? The DMCA.

MehBlah ,

Ah, yes the DMCA where a accusation is enough to get you banned but there is no penalty for making the accusation.

Karyoplasma ,

I used to upload stuff to youtube, mainly for friends to watch, and I got false copyright claims on every single one of them. I concluded that YT does not want me to share videos with my friends, so I stopped.

Ensign_Crab ,

Not to mention the part where companies can just make reverse engineering and interoperability illegal by putting in one little encryption layer.

Aceticon ,

Being right smack in the middle of the Investment Banking Industry in the 2008 Crash and after that and seeing how those who did the worst shit got rewarded and everybody else got to be squeezed to pay the bill.

Before that I actually believed the "merit" bollock from Neoliberalism.

(It's more than that, but that certainly brough me back as a thinking adult to my younger leftie roots).

crispy_kilt ,

gestures broadly at everything

unreasonabro ,

yeah p much

01011 ,

The educational system. Then seeing how the judicial system works and how it's no different from how "justice" and punishment is meted out in the educational system to further the lies of "merit", "hard work" and "intelligence".

TokenBoomer ,

What Radicalized You? is a great podcast.

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