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homesweethomeMrL , in Dumb fucks

The new thing is shitting on the graves of Big Oil ancestors. On TikTok, obviously.

The outrage it provokes will undoubtedly solve the climate crisis. And, worse case scenario, people film themselves defecating on a grave. Which is snif so brave

JohnSwanFromTheLough ,

That's a pretty good one to be fair. Like pissing on Thatchers grave, it's satisfying.

Kaboom , in Move Stonehenge to Tuvalu to Protect it from the Effects of Climate Change Activism

What does stone henge have to do with climate change? Is it owned by a oil company? Is it spewing emissions from a hidden tail pipe?

Speculater ,
@Speculater@lemmy.world avatar

I think it's a reference to the mechanisms under stone henge and the heat they produce, it has to reach the surface of Earth eventually.

intensely_human ,

If they’d just turn the damn thing off for a hundred years or so we’d have no problem

FunderPants ,

Nothing really, but the protest does shine a light on humanities superficial respect for historically important monuments and cultural sites especially when it comes to climate change.

Stonehenge is a culturally important site, no doubt about it, and the reaction to the protest has been swift and strong and includes criminal charges. But the same state that condemns these actions in the harshest terms is timid in the face of the much more destructive acts of climate change.

Where is the outrage over the climate driven erosion of the Cliffs of Dover? Or the surge risk to the tower Of London? Or Orkney Islands? Not even to mention the risks to human health, food production, invasive species, and fires.

Personally, I'm done carrying water for big oil and climate deniers by focusing on the method of protest instead of the message.

FunderPants ,

Just a note for anyone disagreeing with the sentiment of my last line. I would have agreed with you a year or two ago, but then I read Martin Luther King's Letter from the Birmingham jail and it changed my mind entirely on the nature of protest, nessecary tension, and the role of so called moderates in perpetuating injustice.

Give the letter a read, hear some analysis on it, it might change your mind like it did mine.

Keeponstalin ,

Do you have a link to the letter? I haven't heard of it before

FunderPants ,
Keeponstalin ,

Thanks!

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

protest does shine a light on humanities superficial respect for historically important monuments and cultural sites

Interestingly the former leader of the Taliban argued exactly the same way when asked why they destroyed some world famous statues in Afghanistan (but compared it to the total lack of care for the actual humans living in Afghanistan, which is ironic considering the source... but hey, everyone is the hero in their own story 🤷‍♂️ ).

TheOctonaut ,

Do you understand the difference between blowing up ancient statues with dynamite, and throwing some chalk on stones that have been in place since the 1950s?

JackGreenEarth ,
@JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee avatar

Stonehenge has been around for millennia, not since the 1950s. What are you talking about?

TheOctonaut ,

The stones of Stonehenge have been there for millennia, yes, but they are only in their modern configuration since the 1950s, as a best guess reconstruction of something that had been lost long ago.

stonehenge

The Bamyan statues were much younger, but were largely intact as they had been for 1,400 years. And, y'know, got blown up rather than doused with a bit of colour (which frankly was probably a better recreation of what happened at the real Stonehenge than the LARPing the faux druids do).

umbrella ,
@umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

very well said, carry on

Oisteink ,

It’s a great way to remind people of the disaster ahead, and force people to mention it. Even if in a bad tone, they still have to remind themselves that it exists .

intensely_human ,

In another thread someone was arguing that stonehenge is valued. And it’s the implication that’s the message.

He didn’t elaborate on the implication, but he said “What do you think people are gonna do next if this doesn’t work?”

So maybe the strategy is just attack things people value until climate change is fixed

dream_weasel ,

Which is, frankly, overwhelmingly stupid.

groet ,

Activism can never ever ever ever ever achieve anything if it doest cause discomfort. A demonstration that doesn't block roads or disrupt services is just invisible. And causing damage to a landmark is disruptive and discomforting.

There is also the point that oil companies will just shoot you if you were to vandalise their office.

dream_weasel ,

Perfect! Go find a list of parents with one child and punch those babies. Then figure out which grandparents have the most grandkids and stomp their feet. Next set an orphanage on fire when everyone is playing outside. All these things are exactly as related to climate change as putting beans on art or paint on Stonehenge.

Of course you are exactly right: this is why all the great protests you hear about for civil rights, women's rights, and reproductive rights all started by going where it was safe and fucking up some art and history.

You can have a disruptive impact and not be a totally entitled piece of shit.

JacobCoffinWrites ,
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Skullgrid ,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

“What do you think people are gonna do next if this doesn’t work?”

So maybe the strategy is just attack things people value until climate change is fixed

Which is, frankly, overwhelmingly stupid.

I'm pretty sure if they start killing oil executives and portfolio organisers things will start changing pretty sharpish.

dream_weasel ,

This is also not "attacking things" it's attacking people. I can't argue against the fact that it might be effective though.

Skullgrid ,
@Skullgrid@lemmy.world avatar

people are a subcategory of things

modus ,

I once read a conspiracy theory that these "activists" are actually funded or hired by oil companies to lower peoples' respect for activists. Sounds plausible, but I've never seen proof or evidence.

Bertuccio ,

Just Stop Oil targets culturally significant objects to highlight that the viewer's outrage at direct attacks on those objects is greater than the viewer's outrage at the same attacks against those objects by the creators of climate change.

If throwing washable paint on Stonehenge pisses you off, you should be even more angry at big oil for progressively destroying the entire planet. Any call for the arrest and immediate punishment of Just Stop Oil members should also match calls for the immediate punishment of big oil execs.

It's juvenile, but it's pointed.

vardogor ,
@vardogor@mander.xyz avatar

but i've already been angry at them for that. why assume i wasn't? now i'm just also worried about historical sites. personally, so lost on what this accomplished

stabby_cicada , in Dumb fucks

You don't understand. That protest provoked an emotional reaction in me and I didn't like it. Responsible protests don't hurt people's feelings. They went too far.

Shawdow194 ,
@Shawdow194@kbin.run avatar

Responsible protests don't hurt people's feelings

I'm sure all the equal rights protests MLK orchestrated were highly accepted by the moderates and racists across the country and didnt hurt their feelings at all

Oh wait, protest arent about your feelings but instead are about making critical changes in infrastructure and society

Hatred and violence are not things protests are meant to inspire. But changing how you feel about an issue is exactly what they are meant to do

stabby_cicada , (edited )

How naive. True change doesn't come from offending moderates - true change comes from making moderates comfortable, so they feel secure and confident that the change you won't harm them. Any protest that makes people uncomfortable about society or their own actions is counterproductive and just makes things worse.

Take Colin Kaepernick. Taking a knee during the national anthem before a football game was exactly the wrong way to protest racism, because it angered people who loved football and loved America, who should have been his natural allies. What Colin should have done was been even more patriotic and sung the anthem even louder, to express how much he loved America and how he wanted to see it become better. That would have inspired people who supported his cause, without offending people who disagreed with him, and there would have been no controversy.

That's the way white moderates want to see people protest. Being conformist and forgettable is how we make change.

Am I still being too subtle?

ruckblack ,

LOL I think you're fine, people need to unlearn needing an /s tag

Shawdow194 ,
@Shawdow194@kbin.run avatar

Colin should have done was been even more patriotic and sung the anthem even louder, to express how much he loved America and how he wanted to see it become better. That would have inspired people who supported his cause

Calls me naive LOL

Shawdow194 ,
@Shawdow194@kbin.run avatar

Yeah I get this is /s but it doesn't really convey over text

Dont feed the trolls

disguy_ovahea ,

I know you’re being sarcastic, but you’re actually partially right.

A successful protest reaches people outside of a cause, compelling them to learn more, in hopes that they ultimately become a supporter.

Performative radicalized protests are only compelling to those already behind the cause, and immediately discredited by those you need to reach. It may actually drive resentment for the cause in the people who were planning to see Stonehenge that day.

Five ,
@Five@slrpnk.net avatar

A successful protest reaches people outside of a cause, compelling them to learn more, in hopes that they ultimately become a supporter.

Performative radicalized protests are only compelling to those already behind the cause, and immediately discredited by those you need to reach.

That's not how any of this works.

A protests' success is judged by how much publicity it receives, and the disproportionate scale of the reaction from antagonists to the movement. Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem was a successful protest because he was a public figure and had a national stage, and the reaction of conservatives throwing fits over a symbolic gesture highlighted the racism typically hidden in polite white society. The police riot in Selma got national attention because of the graphic scenes of white police beating black folks in Sunday dress, and the scale of the police response to people engaging in peaceful protest revealed the violence inherent in Jim Crow apartheid.

Likewise, the Stonehenge protest was extremely successful because it received international attention, and the disproportionate outrage over harmless dust compared to the real threat of climate change puts a spotlight to the widespread apathy of society to the threat.

You think protests are supposed to reach you specifically, because you're sympathetic to the protests old enough to read about in history books. But your opinion of those protests is mediated by the society that those protests have already successfully altered. The moderate of the past would have considered those historical protests 'performative' and 'radicalized' as well. They would also be on the wrong side of history.

Holzkohlen ,

If we just lick those boots hard enough...

jjjalljs ,

This is a solid example of Poe's Law.

Lucidlethargy ,
@Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works avatar

Go spray permanent paint on the homes of the CEO'S who actually destroy the environment. Then, I'll cheer.

Instigate ,

You’re welcome to do it in their stead. I’ll happily wait for confirmation that you’ve done the thing you want others to do but aren’t willing to do yourself.

explodicle ,

You won't even hear about it!

MyTurtleSwimsUpsideDown , in Fascism belongs in a Museum!

Alt caption: Woke, liberal arts professor attacks free speech advocates.

/s because Poe’s law

eluvinar , in Move Stonehenge to Tuvalu to Protect it from the Effects of Climate Change Activism

this is good, but I think we should build our own (illegal) stonehenge. Or maybe a pyramid. Not only it'd be nice to have something other than microplastic standing after the society collapse, it'd be a huge powerplay. As we seem to be wanting to join earlier civilizations that are no longer here (nor remembered that fondly) it seems only adequate.

My geographic area doesn't really have stone available, best I can do is a mound :(

fogstormberry ,

maybe it is time to leave a lasting megastructure as our tombstone

poVoq ,
@poVoq@slrpnk.net avatar

The entirety of Dubai doesn't count?

I_Has_A_Hat ,

They tried that in Georgia and then someone blew it the fuck up.

Longpork3 ,

Ironically, a plastic megastructure could probably outlast a stone one... Lego-henge?

eluvinar ,

I don't think that's how it works. Plastic degrades fast (especially with UV radiation), it just doesn't fully go away. That's how we get microplastic and harmful chemicals everywhere.

Fiivemacs , in little yellow boxes how I missed you

No name is disgusting and Loblaws needs their time in court

LordSinguloth , in Move Stonehenge to Tuvalu to Protect it from the Effects of Climate Change Activism

A thousand wrongs won't equal a right.

Notice they aren't doing this to the biggest contributing countries to global carbon emissions. Shameful display.

FunderPants ,

I'm not sure what to take from this second half, is protest only valid if it happens under a set of circumstances and targets you've chosen? Is protest by a westerner invalid if they don't take a net zero canoe to India or China or Saudi Arabia to deface something there? Surely not.

Transporter_Room_3 ,
@Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website avatar

Well, depending on who you ask, a protest from a westerner is invalid simply because it's a westerner.

Doesn't even matter if it's supporting a "non-westerner" cause, because then you're just another colonizing westerner appropriating something you couldn't possibly undertand. Regardless of your actual understanding, of course.

I really don't know what the OP comment is even trying to say, it just comes off as weirdly confrontational.

MrMakabar ,
@MrMakabar@slrpnk.net avatar

Yeah what a shame that the UK still allows some form of protest and does not just shoot them like the Chinese. /s

Seriously the UK is the fithed largest cumulative emitter and even though that is over litterally centuries even recent emissions are well above the global average. Combine that with a government, which allows even more oil and gas drilling, while even opening up a new coal mine. The UK is doing better then quite a few other countries, but it is not exactly great.

Kaboom ,

The UK is doing great per capita, for an industrialized country. Even if they have histpry, theyve since corrected.

MrMakabar ,
@MrMakabar@slrpnk.net avatar

The UK offshored most of its emissions. So as soon as you adjust for that it is about at the level of the EU on a per capita bases. However the EU has much more laws passed to actually reduce emissions in the coming years.

Duke_Nukem_1990 ,

Not good enough. Comparisons don't mean shit. This crisis can not be argued with.

Kaboom ,

Why are you giving china a pass then? They seem to argue against it successfully

Duke_Nukem_1990 ,

How am I giving China a pass? lmao

LordSinguloth ,

Remember this site is just full of people who got banned from reddit lol

chillhelm ,

If every country did as great as the UK per capita we would be completely and irrevocably fucked.

Oisteink ,

No - they haven’t

stabby_cicada ,

Wait, do you really expect British citizens to fly to the US or China in order to commit vandalism?

What do you think they'd put on their visa application? "Purpose of travel: throw paint on the Statue of Liberty"?

In a world full of bad faith "I support your cause but not your methods" attacks on environmental activism, this is one of the most ridiculous ones I've ever heard.

jaybone , in I also used to support the 'Sons of Liberty' until they destroyed all those tea merchants' private property

They are quick to point out that Jesus’ issue was that it was happening inside of the temple. He didn’t seem to have a problem with it otherwise.

greenskye ,

There's a church near me with a very popular coffee shop and gift shop in it (they're super close to the local park).

OwlPaste , in praxis

That is actually nice, is there a link to this that can be printed and posted?

stabby_cicada OP ,

I didn't find one, someone else might have better luck.

Atelopus-zeteki , (edited )
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Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Your link is broken BTW because the last parenthetical is included in it for some reason

And to save people a click: it links back to this same image

Atelopus-zeteki ,
@Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run avatar

Is this not a link that can be printed and posted? I put a space to disinclude the close parenthesis. It opens fine in Firefox. Hmm. Not sure what to change?

prettybunnys ,

They were asking for the image that the picture is of, not the picture itself.

JacobCoffinWrites ,
@JacobCoffinWrites@slrpnk.net avatar

This isn't the original, but I took the photo and cleaned it up a bit:

https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/de2005a3-d387-4949-a4f6-1ff4eac55958.webp

kostas , (edited )
OwlPaste ,

Thanks for doing this its fantastic 🤩

kostas ,

Hey, no problem. I was just procrastinating doing actual work ><

I also just found the original cat png so I added it here. Its a bit more detailed and would probably print nicer.

Snapz ,

And if you could please just go ahead and change that to "the anarcats" that'd be great... Thank you.

kostas ,
Snapz ,

Cool. We've done something important here today.

Alright, the world, takes this and run with it...

oce ,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

Or anarchats, chat meaning cat in French (but pronounced "sha").

Breve , in ChatGPT is a usefull tool in politics

I'm so glad the blue check marks are working as intended to combat bots and boost real voices. /s

chunkystyles ,

They are working! They're generating hundreds of thousands of dollars for a company billions in debt.

Duke_Nukem_1990 , in ChatGPT is a usefull tool in politics

Are they both bots?

Rozauhtuno ,
@Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

We're all bots, the real humans are busy having depression.

LoamImprovement ,

And working until dead, don't forget that. Big factor in the whole depression thing.

fossilesque ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

🌟disassociation✨️

pyre ,

yes, it's Twitter.

cosmicrookie , in I also used to support the 'Sons of Liberty' until they destroyed all those tea merchants' private property
@cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

Wait.. so we can''t even sell "God bless the USA" bibles for $60?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d8c496da-4277-43b9-8e64-a91f59058fe3.jpeg

boredsquirrel , in I also used to support the 'Sons of Liberty' until they destroyed all those tea merchants' private property

Matthew 21:12-13 (NIV):

12 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves.
13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’”

clutchtwopointzero , in I also used to support the 'Sons of Liberty' until they destroyed all those tea merchants' private property

Very on point

NigelFrobisher , in ChatGPT is a usefull tool in politics

I’m going to use that next time I need to get out of a heated exchange without losing face.

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