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Twitter/x.com is now forcing you to disable Firefox's Enhance Tracking Protection.

Firefox’s Enhanced Tracking Protection (Strict Mode) is known to cause issues on x.com

There were no "issues"; everything was working completely fine. This is a deliberate decision to force people to turn off tracking protection.

I saw a recommendation to use Firefox's container extension https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers, but it's disabled in private browsing windows, and I always use private browsing windows.

MaximilianKohler OP ,

More info & discussion https://lemmy.world/post/15491742.

daisyKutter ,
@daisyKutter@lemmy.ml avatar

Stop using twitter for f*cks sake

banazir ,
@banazir@lemmy.ml avatar

Seriously.

TrickDacy ,

It really baffles me how often I still see it talked about. Especially on Lemmy. I never liked it myself but now the musk owns it, I would've assumed there wouldn't be much controversy here: it's dead and gone, move on, people.

bolexforsoup ,

Problem is it isn’t gone and it’s still helping foment huge political/social issues in the US. It impacts us whether we want it to or not.

Doesn’t mean I use it. I don’t. But it negatively impacts my life all the same.

Broken_Monitor ,

Ah yes politics, the thing that can be discussed in 140 characters or less. Twitter is definitely the prime place for this discourse.

I get what you’re saying, I really do, I just think its super fucked up that our politicians have collectively decided this is THE place to engage people when there is no political topic that could possibly be discussed properly this way. I’m pretty sure I already exceeded the limit just saying this.

Sabata11792 ,

It doesn't matter if its the worst possible place if its still the only place they can operate in. The biggest soap box is what they want.

KarthNemesis ,
@KarthNemesis@kbin.social avatar

i'm fairly sure the point (whether calculated, or more likely, mostly not) of having politics moved there is because there is no political topic that could be discussed properly there. it makes for good, distracting noise.

it makes for a lack of meaningful critique, or for that critique to be instantly buried in bad actors. noise is a shield. noise is easily dismissable.

monetized social media, in general, is made to be clickbait, to feed negative emotions because that's what gets people addicted to outrage, it steers people towards thinking less and reacting more. nuanced discussion and thoughtful spaces are drowned out and cast aside for the loudest and most obnoxious players. this is appealing for someone trying to uphold the status quo or push society towards hate.

i don't think it's a coincidence that politicians have moved there, that spaces have become so polarized and negatively charged, and that the most prime example of both of these happenings is xwitter. everything is connected in this big, terrible, and vaguely randomly evolved system. i do think evolution is the best word for it. what lives, survives to propagate. it doesn't matter how healthy it is. the result is this blind, meandering, gargantuan worm, following the scent of blood, feeding on the worst of it all.

xwitter is easy and, notably, if you're a powerful white man, you can build your base with no accountability. it exists in this space where it's the most serious news source that almost no one takes that seriously. of course it's appealing.

daltotron ,

i’m fairly sure the point (whether calculated, or more likely, mostly not) of having politics moved there is because there is no political topic that could be discussed properly there. it makes for good, distracting noise.

It's more stupid than that. The idea is that 140 characters is a lower barrier of entry for a reader, compared to reading a series of paragraphs that might be able to at least talk about something, or attempt to summarize an issue. It's why accounts like wint can pop off, and become so prolific.

KarthNemesis ,
@KarthNemesis@kbin.social avatar

Two things can be true.

daltotron ,

I mean I just don't think it's so much a calculated effort by the ruling class as kind of a natural evolution of the market taking hold of and exploiting the human mind to the nth possible degree, such as they have always done.

KarthNemesis ,
@KarthNemesis@kbin.social avatar

You're phrasing this as a rebuttal when these points were an explicitly acknowledged part of my original stance. It is a bit odd.

whether calculated, or more likely, mostly not

everything is connected in this big, terrible, and vaguely randomly evolved system. i do think evolution is the best word for it. what lives, survives to propagate. it doesn't matter how healthy it is.

Both quotes from my original posting, here. If you want to point out something that I had missed, it would be more time efficient to have picked something I had missed?
I'm bemused.

daltotron ,

I'm gonna be honest most times when I write a response I'm taking a shit and not paying very much attention to the thread which it belongs beyond my vaguest recollection to what was said

unreasonabro ,

the stinking corpses of all these corporations that don't realize they're already dead impact all of us, but they're still dead, aren't they? hnnngg die already!

TrickDacy ,

Yes exactly. Which is one of a few reasons why I wish people would stop using it

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

I've found a fair amount of strong loyalty to the place from all sorts of people. I was never a twitter person, so I don't understand it, but AFAICT, all sorts of people have a real emotional bond to the place, like for them it's been their main internet experience in life or something.

PlexSheep ,

I just like watching it burn

MaximilianKohler OP ,

I made accounts on Mastodon and Blue Sky but most people still use Twitter, so if there's info you're looking for, or if you want to share things, you're forced to use what most people are using.

TootGuitar ,

I deleted my 2007-era Twitter account in 2022 and not once have I felt like I was missing out on any “info” or felt like I wasn’t able to share things.

RaoulDook ,

I've never had a Twitter account and never felt the need for one, also haven't been missing out on that junk. I've read lots of tweets, on occasions when I was offered a twitter link for whatever, but just never felt like I needed to join up at all. Just seems like a waste of time to get on social media where all the posts are just small bits of opinionated content without much depth.

PopOfAfrica ,

Seriously, I just dont understand microblogging. It seems deliberately shallow.

bolexforsoup ,

What info do you need from Twitter you can’t get elsewhere unless you’re a journalist? Genuine question this isn’t bait lol

blargerer ,

I just accepted I'm not getting the information now; but a whole bunch of small creators will basically only talk about their content and schedule on twitter. Like if something is going to be late, they are going on vacation or they are doing an extra stream or etc.

bolexforsoup , (edited )
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daltotron ,

What's the pod?

TootGuitar ,

I’m not sure, but wanted to add another hot take: if you’re a journalist and you use Twitter as a primary source for your work, you’re not a journalist.

maegul ,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

I hear you ... most people are still there (I've claimed in the past that it will be the MS Windows of social media, that no one really openly talks about using but is actually everywhere).

But I feel it may be useful to distinguish FOMO and social media gossip from actual useful information. I'm not saying there's nothing useful on Twitter (I don't actually know). But we're talking about microblogging and social media here.

Broken_Monitor ,

Thats cool but it is a transitional thing. If you keep going back the transition doesn’t happen. Stand your ground.

Coasting0942 ,

You can do your part to get that info off of Twitter.

Get a separate browser just for Twitter use. If there’s info that’s only on Twitter re-post it elsewhere.

TootGuitar ,

This is the internet; you can say “fuck” here.

DmMacniel ,

Fecking hell

bolexforsoup ,

Don’t do that it’s annoying. If someone doesn’t want to write out curse words, more power to them. It doesn’t inconvenience you in the slightest. It’s just a patronizing comment that has been made into a meme.

pimento64 ,

Good, maybe the people who do it will be shamed into shaping up or shipping out.

Synnr ,

Can any late teen-early 20s armchair philosophers once-over this for me?

I have a theory. Never before on the internet (going on 30 years of it) have I seen so many curses used but not fully spelled out ('f*ck' for example).

I believe the change has to do with social media and specifically short-form video apps (Tiktok, IG Reels, Youtube Shorts) - not all of which I am familiar with, but I know at least YT and I believe TT does as well. When curse words or words like rape and murder are used in text (or 'subtitle' text on screen) the video reach can be penalized in some way. I assume it's similar in comments.

So you have a ton of the younger generation consuming hours each day of censored curse words, and in their mind it becomes just what you're supposed to do, socially. They end up doing it with each other over text, and consequently in comments. I have a younger co-worker who will gladly say "F*ck that dude hes a b*tch" in group chat, and when I asked him why he doesn't just say the words he's using, he said "I just don't like to curse." Which makes no sense to me, as it's the same word and intent.

I know some Lemmy instances will remove words, but generally only 'bitch' and derogatory slur words.

So I hypothesise it's simply unexamined social conditioning, where they see their peers doing it so they do it too, never questioning why.

onlinepersona ,

Makes sense. It's the USAtion of the world. Their puritanism is spreading. Wouldn't surprise me if people started censoring themselves when saying "moist", but getting excited when talking about guns, wars, and bombing the middle east.

Anti Commercial-AI license

bolexforsoup ,

I’m sure that factors in, but people censoring their curse words online has been going on for decades, as has the refrain “you can curse on the Internet.“

bolexforsoup ,

I’ve never had the experience of seeing young people refrain from using curse words. It’s usually as people grow up they see it as an immature way to communicate. I personally use them a lot, but in formal settings I certainly don’t. Some people simply don’t turn the switch on and off and elect not to use them so much. I don’t think that’s such a bad thing even if it’s not how I operate. It’s up to each of us how we want to communicate, so frankly, I just don’t concern myself with it.

As for people self censoring online, I have seen that since my old messageboard days when I was a kid. “You can curse on the Internet“ is a pretty old meme. Literally decades.

taladar ,

People who see it as an immature way to communicate won't use the words at all. People who are actually immature despite growing up will use the word and think it makes a difference if they put an asterisk in there instead of spelling it out.

bolexforsoup , (edited )
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taladar ,

I am not judging people for using profanity, I am judging people for thinking fuck vs f*ck makes a difference.

bolexforsoup , (edited )
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LordPassionFruit ,

There are other things that get self-censored due to filters. The two that I'm thinking of are "suicide" and "murder" (which a lot of people reword as "unalived" or "committing game over").

Another one that I saw was a history summary channel I watch on YouTube couldn't get monetized because they kept mentioning Hitler (in a video about the end of WW2) so they had to keep saying "the toothbrush moustache having Austrian man" to get around the censor.

Rolando ,

[Grandpa Simpsons voice] Back in my day, we used to say "pr0n" instead of "porn" to avoid keyword spotters, and saying it that way just got to be a habit. Nowadays e.g. twitch comments auto-mods have block lists. I think kids just do the same thing.

What's funny is when you're watching something like an AI summary of a movie on youtube, it'll use euphemisms like "self-delete" instead of "suicide" and "naughty place" instead of "brothel" to avoid the algorithm penalties you mention.

Synnr ,

That's true, there is the Scunthorpe problem. I guess we're just doing another 20 year cycle like we have for all of civilization. If someone centuries in the future finds this comment chain, please name the solution to your 20 year repeating fractal math problem something like the CockSyn Solution. I want to be like Shadow from American Gods. Or more accurately like Pythagoras with his stealing murder cult.

TSG_Asmodeus ,
@TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

As another poster said, we used words like pr0n, and one that I personally have never used either of that replaces the "er" ending of a word with "a."

Hell, half of the time we used l33tsp33k was to avoid using specific words.

This is not a new thing.

Facebones ,

Its happening with "killing" or "dead" being subbed for unalive too. I don't inherently think its bad, just culture moving forward and changing how it always has. "Its simply unexamined social conditioning where they see their peers do it so they do it too never questioning why" Thats just society, friend. Why does anybody do anything?

I'm 36 and don't understand plenty of young people's shit now, but that doesn't inherently make it scary or bad. I don't really have a point here I guess, except that we should strive to not be the old men who yell at clouds about "those damn kids." Life and time marches on, things change, and thats fine. 🤷

fossilesque ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Unalive etc came about as a way to skirt TOS violations and demonitisation.

Facebones ,

I'm aware, but it's made its way into peoples vocabularies IRL as well.

TootGuitar ,

Don’t tell me not to do things.

unreasonabro ,

shiiiit

Rolando ,

Golly!

USSEthernet ,

Gee willikers

superduperpirate ,

“Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-it”

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daisyKutter ,
@daisyKutter@lemmy.ml avatar

Sir this is a Wendys, go rant somewhere else for fucks sake

TheLowestStone ,
@TheLowestStone@lemmy.world avatar

Excuse me, I'm going to have to ask you not to curse here.

RickAstleyfounddead ,

Who are you to assk

Scolding0513 ,

this is a Christian Minecraft server

jballs ,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

I always thought it was "fuck's sake".

TootGuitar ,

If you read what I posted and thought I was ranting, I’m not sure what to tell you. Touch grass for fuck’s sake?

Coasting0942 ,

Stockholm syndrome is made up but posts like these keep convincing me it’s real.

jsomae ,

Perhaps they meant to put the asterisk in Twitter's name like so: *

JJROKCZ ,

And Reddit, and Facebook while we’re at it

buddascrayon , (edited )

I was resistant to ending my use of reddit, but now they have nerfed the mobile site so bad I can't even login anymore so I've stopped trying. I still peruse it on my PC at least once daily but I think that the moment RES finally stops working will spell the end of that.

As for Facebook. I mostly keep it around for an easy connection to family and friend and a few meme groups that amuse me. But again, only like once a day do I check in ion that site.

Edit: I should mention that I have never and will never use either of those website's apps.

BroBot9000 , (edited )
@BroBot9000@lemmy.world avatar

Stop humouring the assholes that are still on that bigoted network. It’s X not twitter. Twitter is dead.

Every time someone calls it twitter, don’t give them the satisfaction of disassociating themselves from Musky’s X.

Oh so you’re an X’er. You like to Xeet a lot eh?

Saurok ,

Xcrete was right there, just saying

devilish666 ,

Maybe disabling WebRTC, fingerprinting & use AntiDPI (like green tunnel or Adguard) will help

devilish666 ,

I think i figured out what cause this (seems they have script to prevent strict protection from Mozilla)
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/36b1aae6-8324-44cd-927f-584ca234fd77.png

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/ca3298f6-73c1-42be-b24c-21c98968fd4f.png

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/32d96597-fa19-456f-95ea-052e85f74bed.png

shortwavesurfer ,

Seems to me like a good reason to disable x.com

possiblylinux127 ,
@possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip avatar

Yeah you do not want to visit that p*** site

BigFatNips ,

You're allowed to say poop here lmao

Treczoks ,

Which means that Firefox works properly on that aspect. Good.

bolexforsoup ,

Is protecting you from malware

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

didn't work; elon musk still breathes.

PlexSheep ,

Elon musk is not ware, therefore he must not be malware.

blusterydayve26 ,

Protec, not attak.

Now, they could still rename it FireWolfHound, which would be a rebranding I would be on board with.

fossilesque ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Firedoggo is a good boy.

Treczoks ,

Not only malware, but the sh-t that is floating high on X.

penquin ,
@penquin@lemm.ee avatar

I have an app called TrackerControl. It blocks a ton of shit. Here is one rule of thumb I have, if a website breaks because of this app, I'm not going to it. I don't need it. I can live without it. So many apps work no problem. The ones who don't, they want to fingerprint and track me.

N0x0n ,

Hey :) may I suggest rethinkDNS to have a more granular control over your installed application? Also it's possible to block everything except the apps you trust while still being able to use your own DNS/wireguard VPN/proxy...

Also If you want a more in depth overview of every connection your phone attempts to make, give Pcapdroid a try !

kratoz29 ,

while still being able to use your own DNS/wireguard VPN/proxy...

Wait, I thought the "downside" of this app was that it used your VPN connection, compared to NextDNS or the built in DNS feature of Android.

I also use AdAway rooted version and not really looking into changing it, but if you could clarify about this I could happily see it as an alternative :)

N0x0n , (edited )

Hey :)

Wait, I thought the "downside" of this app was that it used your VPN connection.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/da00e95d-744e-44a1-9cdd-4f13a46164aa.jpeg

It does, but if you have a VPN that let's you send your traffic through wireguard (like protonVPN, don't know about others :/) it will send all your traffic through that tunnel.

https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/09b06a1e-ea08-4205-8c68-9214a591a35c.jpeg

Also, there was a recent update which uses your wireguard's DNS instead of rethink's hardcoded internal DNS. That was the awaited updated I needed to fully switch to rethinkDNS.

There are still some quirks in the interface and a few strange behavior with wireguard when waking the phone up, but nothing that causes leaks in my experience, because if my wireguard tunnel isn't working rethink isn't able to make any requests !

Hope it helps :).

macattack ,

Samesies. What has become increasingly frustrating is that many opt-out emails require me to disable tracker control. It should be illegal to force tracking to avoid future tracking

Sabata11792 ,

If they tell you you don't need protection, you need more protection.

henfredemars ,

I just assumed this is because they fired all their experienced people and they don’t know how to host their website, so you’ve got junk coming from all sorts of domains in their attempt to patch something together that works.

eRac ,

That's exactly what it is. Firefox's advanced tracking protection blocks connections to social media sites from other sites so that social media can't see your behavior on the rest of the Internet.

Twitter started moving some things to a different domain and FF saw it as a third-party, blocking connections from it to the old Twitter domains.

Yet another reason the rebrand is dumb.

vividstructure ,

Twitter is garbage in every way - techonology, content, userbase. Not worth using.

krigo666 ,

Glad I don't use Xitter.

unreasonabro ,

Naw, it's not. i bet you can guess why

DFWSAM ,

Fuck Elon.
Fuck X.
Both are K holes.

BigFatNips ,

This is an insult to K-holes 😂

JokeDeity ,

Twitter is the second worst app in existence only behind Snapchat.

cyrus ,
@cyrus@sopuli.xyz avatar

This is a deliberate decision to force people to turn off tracking protection.

No this is a hilarious fuckup where they forgot to move twitter.com, pbs.twimg.com and more off of the Twitter domains, so Firefox started blocking it because to Firefox it looks like Social Media trackers.

Mozilla already pushed a fix.

brbposting ,

Why would anybody test that first in QA anyway?

BananaOnionJuice ,
@BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Yeah Elon is a shoot first kind of guy anyways.

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

Every software project, without exception, has a testing environment.

Some even have a separate production environment too.

Aceticon ,

Oh you sweet summer child...

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/6eb244b5-8f00-4121-9399-8ffe148c08e1.jpeg

Aceticon ,

Welcome to the Internet, were you can never be sure if Satire is Satire or somebody's genuine opinion until they confirm it's the former using a meme.

brbposting ,

You’re right about that in many cases.

That post? It two sentences.

Second sentence is a joke that couldn’t be taken seriously. As if it were a knock knock joke or something. …right?!

Aceticon ,

Somebody who is not a software developer or is a junior one who only ever worked in one or two major projects and got lucky (really depends on the country and the industry) might believe it.

It's hardly unusual for people who only ever worked in one place to think everything is like that, and some of those do get lucky (not all software development environments out there are like the US Tech Industry) and end up right after Uni in a place with some good senior techies that make sure environments are properly set up.

Also in-house development in industries were software is mission critical and new versions breaking Production might result in massive losses or death (for example, Finance) always have proper Testing and Staging environments - you don't really want to lose millions of dollars (possibly hundreds of millions if unlucky) by having all the traders in a Trading Floor twidling their thumbs because somebody didn't do, before pushing to Production, proper integration testing in Staging of some comms protocol changes done for two different systems.

brbposting ,

Wow, guess you’re right! Thanks for the insight :)

Barbarian ,
@Barbarian@sh.itjust.works avatar

I agree with everything you say here, but I thought the setup-payoff joke structure and the fact I intentionally swapped testing and production for comedic effect made it obvious enough. I guess Poe's law strikes again.

joyjoy ,

And some projects only test in Chrome. If we're lucky, they test in Firefox with default settings.

Zerush ,
@Zerush@lemmy.ml avatar

X can't avoid to seeing a growing amount of middlefingers, at least in the EU.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

i have no idea why people who are concerned about privacy would use anything associated with elon musk.

HEXN3T ,
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The Gods forbid I try to literally read something

The real question is why people keep using Twitter despite how impossible it is to even visit the website

Dudewitbow ,

because unlike lemmy where its usually about following topics, twitter is about following people, and migration requires said people who theyre following to also migrate

HEXN3T ,
@HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

While this is true, I think if this is a hassle for most people, then something is very wrong with the world

nintendiator ,

Until the creators of the content you need switch, it's one of if not the hub where the content is.

This would be easy to "solve" from the reader end if Nitter was still operational, but I haven't heard from the project or from any alternative in ages.

settoloki ,

If you stop going to twitter to see the content, the creators would be forced to move. How important can the content be?

knightly ,
@knightly@pawb.social avatar

Dunno! I haven't been to Twitter since Elon bought it and activated our scorched-earth protocols. Twitter hasn't been accessible on any device in our network since then.

cupcakezealot ,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

nitter.poast.org still works!

WalnutLum ,

The project was using a way to bypass requiring a backing account to proxy the requests, but the API update broke that

The instances that chose (and choose) to go the extra mile by creating and maintaining proxy account(s) are the ones still working

If the instance gets too popular the twitter goons quickly figure out what the proxy account is and ban it, though. So it's a constant game of cat and mouse.

nintendiator ,

I see. That sucks.

dev_null ,

Every so often someone posts something on Lemmy or somewhere else which contains a Twitter link that's interesting or relevant, and so there is value in me visiting it. Just because I don't "use" Twitter doesn't mean I don't end up reading a Twitter post every so often, because other people use it.

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