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More 128TB SSDs are coming as almost no one noticed this launch — another SSD controller that can support up to 128TB appeared paving the way for HDD-beating capacities

More 128TB SSDs are coming as almost no one noticed this launch — another SSD controller that can support up to 128TB appeared paving the way for HDD-beating capacities::Phison quietly revealed an updated X2 SSD platform at CES

n3m37h ,

I may have just jizzed in my pants

tsonfeir ,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Maybe the price will dry you off.

femboy_bird ,
@femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Too late

gregorum ,
@gregorum@lemm.ee avatar

That’s cool and all, but the only reason I would want that capacity is to store stuff that I would want to store for much longer than a lifespan of an SSD. Only HDD’s have that kind of lifespan. Like a gigantic video library/archive. I guess these aren’t for me.

But if they drive down the price of high capacity, HDDs, all the better. 

ANIMATEK ,

It’s not for you. It’s for enterprises, but I can drive down the prices of shit you would use. No noise, better performance, less energy; it’s a win-win.

gregorum ,
@gregorum@lemm.ee avatar

Yeah, that’s what I figured

falkerie71 ,
@falkerie71@sh.itjust.works avatar

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I remember that SSDs lifespan mainly depends on how much you overwrite the drive. For 128TB, it should take you a very long time to overwrite the entire drive, let alone couple hundred or thousand times to kill the drive. I know that bit rot also happens on SSDs, but that applies to HDDs as well, and good drive maintenance practices should alleviate the issue. Though for archival purposes/cold storage, tape drives are probably better.

billwashere ,

Really depends on the content, type of use, architecture, and the file system. You’re not wrong, some situations would take centuries to wear this guy out.

grte ,

If they are loading the drive up with media for archival purposes how much overwriting are they going to be doing, anyways? Theoretically the drive should last a very long time for that purpose.

deweydecibel ,

Right, but if the point isn't for the drive to be actively used, and instead just hold data for archiving, then there's little reason to spend more money to get an SDD for that purpose when an HDD will hold that data just as well and for much cheaper.

The benefits of SSD over HDD are almost entirely in performance, so if SSD can develop further to provide a tangible benefit over HDD for long term storage, and do it for cheaper, then we can fully move away from it. But I don't think we're quite there yet.

Passerby6497 ,

The lifespan of your data isn't nearly as long as the lifespan of the cells storing your data. Due to leakage of of power from the cells, and the more and more dense these cells are being packed (leading to smaller differences between what voltage maps to what binary value), SSDs have issues with bitrot. With a disk this size you would need to have data regularly checked and refreshed (rewritten) to ensure the data being stored was still correct and not corrupted.

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

All storage has issues with bit rot. There haven't been any studies to show that SSD is disproportionately affected.

ridethisbike ,

What is bit rot?

Plopp ,

When bits of data on a storage medium goes bad for seemingly no reason. If you've ever had a library of files and all of a sudden there's a file that won't open even though you haven't touched it.

blurg ,

In 2016, HDDs were more reliable (MTBF).

In 2022, for the first 5 years, SSDs are looking more reliable. With more of a constant failure rate (1%/yr), than the increasing failure rate of HDDs after 5 years.

(Caveat: not just bit rot, but general failure data.)

linearchaos ,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

There's a caveat there. We've had some new tech in SSDs come out very recently, new enough not to be in those charts will still have to see.

bobs_monkey ,

SSD lifespan is expressed in terabytes written (TBW), wherein yeah they can sustain so many writes to the flash chips before they can't anymore.

QuarterSwede ,
@QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

HDDs typically don’t last as long as SSDs due to their mechanics failing. Data is there but it just won’t spin. I’ve yet to have an SSD actually fail. Every HDD I’ve ever owned, save one, has.

SplashJackson ,

I had one fail three weeks ago....but I been using it nonstop since 2013. Yeah, it was 128gb

gregorum ,
@gregorum@lemm.ee avatar

This has not been my experience at all, nor is what I know from general knowledge— that, due to rewriting, SSDs become unusable within 3-5 years, whereas the typical lifespan of an enterprise HDD is 5-7 years, perhaps longer.

In my own use, SSDs of mine seem to crap out around 5-ish years, whereas HDDs get 7+, and the $/GB ratio makes it a no-brainer, esp for video library/archive storage where it’s mostly read/write no rewrite and long-term storage with no need for very high-speed access (like for editing 4/8K).

I buy enterprise HDDs that never spin down and last forever— they use more power, but I don’t pay for that. SSDs wear out just by reading and writing and become unreadable over time.

If I were editing giant chunks of video in 8K, and needed enormously fast cache rates and transfer speeds over thunderbolt 4, obviously, I’d go with the SSDs, especially if I had a studio I was working for that could afford to replace them when they were out. But that’s not my use case.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

I've had at least 8 SSDs fail in various ways personally.

gibmiser ,

Man I has to read that 4 times before it registered. Fucking he'll shits nuts

Thatuserguy ,

Call me when they somehow fit this on an SD card in another 10 years

n3m37h ,

Whatcha talking bout? There are many ads for 128 Tb drive on TEMU and Ali Express! Like for cereal man, they show proper sizes and everything!

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/s if ya didn't get it

QuarterSwede ,
@QuarterSwede@lemmy.world avatar

I read it as 128GB. Then I was like, ohhhhhhhh. Sweet!

db2 ,

as almost no one noticed this launch

That's because we're having trouble just getting food. A shiny new and expensive SSD isn't even on the list at this point.

greybeard ,

At that size they are certainly targeting enterprise and cloud servers. Cool that they are getting that big, but they probably cost as much as a house.

the_post_of_tom_joad ,

At that size they are certainly targeting enterprise and cloud servers

Dunno, have you seen the new Medal of Honor?

WarshipJesus ,

I haven't. Was it just announced? I loved that series as a kid.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

4.5k would be a pretty cheap house.

femboy_bird ,
@femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I think ur off by an order of magnitude (still ur gonna be hard pressed to find a house that cheap)

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

Ok, but the disk costs 4.5k

randomaside ,

That's some nice density you got there. While you're at it...

Can I get a 12.8TB drive 1/10th the physical size (m.2 2230) and has a steady transfer rate of 2.4GBs that costs <$200 dollhairs? Pretty please 🙏

kylian0087 ,

Sir, you forgot a 0 their...

OrderedChaos ,

There there. It's okay.

ripcord ,
@ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

That's they're they're.

emptiestplace , (edited )

Unless you're using a NUC or similar, M.2 is the worst form factor - and consumer grade drives are all shit. If you're in the market for storage I'd recommend looking at used enterprise U.2 drives in the 0.5-1 DWPD range. Adapters (PCIe or M.2 to U.2) are super cheap.

Edit: 12.8TB is gonna be a stretch, obviously, but even Solidigm TLC drives are quite a bit better than any consumer grade drives and I've seen some of the 7TB models go for surprisingly cheap.

randomaside ,

I am using NUCs.

captainastronaut ,
@captainastronaut@seattlelunarsociety.org avatar

I’m holding out upgrading for the holographic nano dark matter drives that have infinite storage capacity and RAID data into 3 alternate universes for security.

archchan ,
@archchan@lemmy.ml avatar

Some high tech alien's porn stash is embedded in the fabric of our universe and that's the reason we exist.

Agent641 ,

This is why I feel like an interdimensional cumshot all the time.

KingofHearts615 ,

Damn, Interdimensional cumshot sounds like an obscure metal band.

Alexstarfire ,

Are we the porn? Some alien's weird fetish?

helpImTrappedOnline ,

If we are, the story's gone to shit.

rustyricotta ,

That's their kink.

Agent641 ,

We are all lemon-stealing whores

rustydrd ,
@rustydrd@sh.itjust.works avatar

My laptop has a 256GB SSD, and even this still feels plenty to me. Not sure what I'd even do with 500 times that much space.

Wizard_Pope ,
@Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

Store 3 new AAA games?

whoisearth ,
@whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

This gave me my first legit lol today thank you

melroy ,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

don't exaggerate. Stores 2 AAA games.

Wizard_Pope ,
@Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

Store one AAAA game. Ubisoft seems to have started making those.

eager_eagle ,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

when they add melee combat to skull and bones it'll become an AAAAA game!

Wizard_Pope ,
@Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

Time for AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA games fast approaches.

VindictiveJudge ,
@VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world avatar

There's already AaaaaAAaaaAAAaaAAAAaAAAAA!!! -- A Reckless Disregard for Gravity.

DAMunzy ,

Gotta have that swap space to install!

melroy ,
@melroy@kbin.melroy.org avatar

Which game?

rustydrd ,
@rustydrd@sh.itjust.works avatar

Should've added that I don't use this laptop for gaming. I also don't store multiple AAA games in parallel. But I get your point.

eager_eagle ,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

that's for enterprise use; also plenty of uses in a data-driven world to run predictive models on.

TwilightVulpine ,

Games eat up my SSD at an alarming rate. I could see myself using several TB easily.

M500 ,

My steam deck typically has one big game installed at a time. At this point, I just want to finish baldurs gate 3 so I can delete it and put on some other games.

coffeebiscuit ,

I really need to clean up my picture library …

Illecors ,
@Illecors@lemmy.cafe avatar

Simple things. Lemmy, for instance, has grown to ~60GB since June las year. And that's just the db and federated media since I don't really havr any uploads. The big instancea are easily into the hundreds od gigs - I know lemmy.ca had over 300GB of media alone last autumn.

On a more consumer level - high quality 4k media eats up storage pretty fast. The phones taking pictures and video in higher and higher quality - space requirements will only ever go up.

mox ,

Lemmy federates media other than text?

Illecors ,
@Illecors@lemmy.cafe avatar

Sort of. If you check the url of thumbnail images - they'll all be from your local instance.

Some images are also federated. Take this post, for example. The link is to lemmy.world, but the thumbnail and image itself are served by lemmy.cafe.

I've never really delved into what exactly decides whether to federate a particular bit of content or not, but there's definitely more than just text being stored.

mox , (edited )

Curious. That was not the case when I started using lemmy. It was page after page of thumbnails served by remote instances, showing up as empty frames since I block off-site media.

Since you mentioned it, though, I just checked: some of the images from remote posts are now showing up, hosted by my local instance.

This is an encouraging trend for users who care about privacy (and admins who don't want their servers bearing the load of remote users). I wonder if it's a configuration change that makes the difference, or a new feature in recent lemmy versions.

Illecors ,
@Illecors@lemmy.cafe avatar

I know sdf had issues with media storage before, but that was late last year/early this one. There's noy been an update to lemmy in the week that you've joined.

Also - welcome aboard!

mox ,

But there have been updates since I started using lemmy, and since I often ignore thumbnails, an update might have changed this behavior while I was on a previous instance without my noticing.

welcome aboard!

Thanks!

femboy_bird ,
@femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Clearly you are not a data hoarder

rustydrd ,
@rustydrd@sh.itjust.works avatar

Not at all, but I see that lots of Lemmy users are into self-hosting and like to set up their own media boxes, where I can see how large SSDs could come in handy.

eager_eagle ,
@eager_eagle@lemmy.world avatar

I read 128GB SSDs and thought "who cares"

impressive.

HeavyDogFeet ,
@HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world avatar

Realistically, a couple of 10TB drives would have me covered for like a decade at least. If these massive drives bring down the price of much smaller ones, I'm a happy boy.

Steak ,

Yeah I have an old pc. Built it 6 or 7 years ago with a 1080 FTW2 card that is still going strong. For storage I have a wd 1tb drive and a 250gb ssd with windows on it. I've been fine for the most part since I don't watch 4k tv and only really play older games anymore.

jenny_ball ,
@jenny_ball@lemmy.world avatar

how much?

femboy_bird ,
@femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

40k

Plopp ,

That's cool and all. How many levels per cell? Can I have it in SLC? No? Ok then I'm good.

Harbinger01173430 ,

Do you think the normal consumer would care? All that matters is for SSD to become as cheap or cheaper than HDDs or nothing

WalrusDragonOnABike ,

Its pretty cool. Number go up is exciting.

squid_slime ,
@squid_slime@lemmy.world avatar

Bigger number better

rhebucks-zh ,

I am coming from Incremental Social, but I agree.

frezik ,

Capacity that high is for servers.

Eezyville ,
@Eezyville@sh.itjust.works avatar

Or porn

Raab ,

Servers full of porn

D_Air1 ,
@D_Air1@lemmy.ml avatar

Still can't afford it.

ipkpjersi ,

How expensive are they, $100,000 or maybe more?

Abird1620 , (edited )

$4.5k from a quick search.

Edit: I HAVE NO CLUE WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME FROM LAST NIGHT

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-128tb-petabyte-storage

This states that a 32tb ssd costs roughly $7000

BreakDecks ,

That's actually pretty reasonable.

cordlesslamp ,

≈$35/TB or ≈3.4¢/GB
Actually not a bad deal at all, consider the current SSD prices.

Blackmist ,

I'm going to need a source for that, as it's well below even regular consumer SSDs.

Abird1620 ,

Like I said, quick search, and unfortunately, I doubt anyone else looked it up. Soooo here is an article that says a 32tb cards goes for about $7000.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-128tb-petabyte-storage

bitwolf ,

Hmm.
As a personal user, 9k to not worry about storage space or redundancy, for at least a decade seems like a pretty great deal.

femboy_bird ,
@femboy_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Looks like 40k a pop

WalrusDragonOnABike ,

Given how many years its been since the first 100TB SSD released, anything short of 200TB seems kinda meh. Honestly kinda figured we'd be past the 400TB mark at this point, but I guess those sizes simply aren't that interesting from a business perspective even if just as a halo product not meant to actually sell much.

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