Then why did you recommend FreeTube in the first place? I'm fully aware of LibreTube, Newpipe and Grayjay, but I choose to use Revanced due to factors mentioned in other comment. Using an alternative clients such as those listed above does not solve the global issue of Google making fucking stupid decisions, even if you yourself are not touched by them because you happen to use Newpipe
Are you asking Hal to fix Google's business making decisions?
Jokes aside, the community welcomes all alternative clients Desktop, Mobile, etc. No one can fix Google's poor decision making except Google. What can we do as consumers of Youtube to fix what is broken in the short term? Any alternative interface that fixes the problems for which we have control over.
I found myself frantically tapping on the x on your screenshot before I remembered I was on lemmy... I am still too angry at youtube (and myself) for the time I have wasted on shorts to try out anything new it suggests. Plus it tries to recommend right wing crackpot youtubers to me everybso often which is really annoying. /rant
Holy crap, the amount of hate in here, and no actual description of what it does. It's essentially your normal home feed, but only the videos with thumbnails of the selected color. It's also way over at the right of the home feed filters, so it isn't like it's being shoved down your throats.
Yea, seems like a fun and quirky feature, but unfortunately I don't think there's anything big tech companies can do at this point to turn things around with public opinion given how utterly egregious their other sins have been (and continue to be).
Most people love YouTube, I know it doesn't feel like it when you're inside the Lemmy bubble but the big tech companies are far more popular than anything we like
I care because it shows YouTube is more interested in wasting resources on dumb, pointless features rather than fixing various problems that have been plaguing content creators over the years
At this point I feel like it's intentional, and either way, am not surprised. Unlike a lot of other commentors here, I don't see the point in wasting mental power on worrying about it.
The resources used to implement this aren't the same as the ones that would be used to address some of the other issues, as the ones I know of are more social/legal ones.
I bet this was mostly done by a single coder who showed it off and management thought it was a fun thing so added it to the main site.
Why not? Not you, I mean but why not have it as an option?
Frankly I wouldn't use it either, but I can absolutely see the appeal. Sometimes you want some warm tones, sometimes you want cool tones. Maybe you're having a Green party for 4/20 and you're playing Green Day and watching green videos idk.
Lol dumbness aside, my immediate thought was "this seems like it could be nice for those who sleep to videos" - I know that I don't always want a white-blue heavy video but something darker and red
Okay, but what if your darker and redder video is super loud and obnoxious and your blue-white video is quiet and calm? Or the dark red one is strobing and the blue-white one is calm and soft? That's the problem with just sorting them by color. Color doesn't really tell you anything about the content of the video. I mean I supposed this very out-there idea of a 'green party' could be a weird usage case, but I think that's a very unusual event and doesn't really justify the feature.
Pretty sure the solid colors are for people who need to shine a specific color of light, and there's no simpler way to quickly do that. You either download a new app, or google image search and try to find something you can zoom in with.
Remember in the very early days of the apple app store they had shit like a virtual beer so if you held the phone up to your lips it looked like you were drinking a mug of beer? Pointless but kind of showed off the phone's capabilities? There would have been an app for put whatever color you want on the screen" with a set of RGB sliders. But nowadays that thing would require file access, phone, SMS, camera and payment permissions and would ruin your life for installing.
Yeah I'll take an F-droid recommendation as proof of my case. Not many people are doing even that amount of side loading even on Android and forget it on iJewelry. We certainly have arrived in a place, haven't we?
Why take it as proof of anything? I wouldn't know about google play alternatives as I havent launched that in years, and I've never had an iPhone, I only answered to the extent of my experience
I haven't bothered with F-Droid because at this point I either use apps that aren't in open source repos, like my credit union's app, the built-in apps like the camera, or I just use the web browser. Because the whole "app" ecosystem on any platform is more about exploiting me than being useful. "There's an app begrudgingly for that."
Really? What stock apps? I'm struggling to think what built-in app on my Galaxy S10 will just paint the screen any hex value I want. The tool I'd reach for on my Linux desktop is the Drawing utility (basic raster editor similar to MS Paint).
The simpler method is to load whatever stock application that came on your mobile device/computer OS that allows you to color the screen exactly as you desire. They're offline too.
The ASMR and meditation community sometimes embrace a specific colour aesthetic for videos. They're also all pretty similar in terms of audio level etc so I can see this working well in that niche.
I just used it and I thought it was kind of cute. It’s obviously “useless”, but as a small (I assume temporary) change I thought it was interesting to see how different “genres” of videos tend to color code themselves in the thumbnail.
I’m all for small, fun little things in websites. Like anytime google has an interactive daily theme
Remember the old days, when your aunt would send you an invite to a facebook game that would predict which celebrity you're most like based on unrelated and harmless pieces of data, like:
(1) Your favorite color,
(2) Your first pet's name,
(3) The school you went to,
(4) Your mother's maiden name
(5) Last four digits of your social security number
(6) Birthdate
This sounds similarly comical if it was intended for data collection.
EDIT: I've reconsidered. Knowing color preferences is very useful for an advertisement company.
There are millions of youtube videos uploaded every single day. Why do I always get the exact same stuff in my recommendations? And why does YouTube shorts keep playing the same clips over and over again? Even the ones I disliked.
Oh man I needed this! Not the stupid extensions that play it in a normal YouTube window or something. I just wanna remove that crappy short form video stuff altogether.
You should never dislike on YouTube. They just view it as engagement and will give it you more. To actually get rid of content that you don't like, you need to use "not interested" in the context menu.
Google gets more money if the video has more ads. Google also pays more in bandwidth and storage if the video is really long or high res. Also, advertisers don’t like drugs, violence or guns, whereas makeup and mobile phones are totally fine, so those videos are a suitable background for ads.
All of these variables go into the calculation that determines the sweet spot for Google, and the search results are ranked accordingly. You may be looking for an hour long video essay on the torture methods seen in the Hellraiser movies, but Google really wants you to spend more time on 5-minute crafts instead. Actually, 30 s shorts would be even better, as long as they keep you preoccupied.
I like algorithms giving me suggestions in all sorts of ways, but not shady ones. None of the people around me seem to mind, but I worry about a company like Google strongly influencing what information we consume. Even if they didn't use this influence, it's dangerous to have them in the position where they could.
You have the correct idea, but it's way too late for most people. This "pre-selection" made by most services have been in place for a long while, and these days people even complains when they are not fed with it.
It is a sad state of affair; thankfully at some point enough people might move away from these automated suggestions, but I'm not holding my breath.
"Dissenting" here meaning using a swear word within 1 minute of an ad break, videos under a set length, and new content not dropping every week, in addition to what you normally think the word dissenting means
A lot of the most popular YouTube creators only post every few months and their content always gets plenty of impressions
They have a rule about not swearing at the start of a video because of the auto play feature and various accessibility tools, having it is probably better than the result of not having it.
I regularly get offered videos of all lengths including variations of mr skellybones that are between 8 and 15 seconds, though since shorts were added those are normally uploaded there now. Yes shorter videos earn less money and yes of course they do, why wouldn't they? If lord of the rings was two minutes long then I
I imagine the box set would be cheaper.
Creators have repeatedly spoken about how their videos and channels get suppressed priority if their videos arent released on a regular rapid timeline. Massive creators with huge followings can push through that by way of having insanely large fanbases who have notifications turned on. That does not change the facts of youtubes prioritization system.
Thats a nonsense excuse, because the autoplay doesnt pause at 2 minutes, and swearing within the time limit doesnt take you out of potential autoplay queue. Its because advertisers dont want swears in proximity to their ads, which is why the video gets demonetized. Youtube themselves said this when they established the policy.
Ok. And? That means literally nothing, youtube pays creators signifigantly less for not meeting the 10 min mark even when the number of ads run is not different. No one gives a shit what you were reccomended. Youtube still runs the same number of ads on 4-9 minute videos while paying the channel less for not crossing the threshold.
Yeah that too. But I mostly meant a mostly opaque list of keywords that get you demonetized, and it's possible that there is an AI that assesses how likely a video is to put a viewer in a "click ad mood" or how likely it is to keep viewers watching. Unfortunately I don't know exactly how it works, but if they do this, I assume they also do a whole lot more subtle things.
Controversial videos might actually do fine if they keep viewer watching and clicking on ads. But many things critical of the current consumerist and propaganda model at least gets a chilling effect. Creators know this is more work so many would avoid it. And some might not be able to make a living even though their content would be valuable for society and drop out.
So alphabet (massively) shapes the content our society sees the tube.
Honestly, the only social media i clearly see this is instagram and their comments. They sort by controversial to get engagement and an emotional response and affects my mood negatively tremendously (can't find a single clip with a woman that doesn't have a misogynistic comment in top10). TikTok is heaven for me in comparison, it's my happy place.
Or the videos you watched years ago and still remember. There is more youtube video than my lifetime why the hell would i watch the same shit over and over again?
Disable your viewing history. I don't go on YouTube deep dives like I used to, but at least my suggested videos aren't all related to some previous dive I've done anymore.
That is stupid. I wish it would just let me block channels for real in search. Also, I wonder how that works if you’re colorblind?
If I want something news related, that doesn’t mean I want to see Fox News or other random right wing nutjobs who scream into the camera about “wokeism” every day for 4 hours.
Disable Shorts (uBlock lets me filter them out, at least)
At the very least let me control the fucking volume on Shorts instead of muting/unmuting them only if you're going to force them down my throat (seriously, it makes the entire video format unwatchable on Desktop because every fucking Short video is so god damned loud)
Disable holding left-click to fast-forward a video (I do this thing where I'm about to pause a video and hold down the click until they're done talking and this change is just so fucking stupid, I don't understand who needs to hold down left click to fast-forward)
Actually block channels I'm not interested in
Block videos based on keywords
Recommend videos based on the one I'm currently watching if my watch history is disabled
Seriously, since disabling it YouTube does nothing but recommend "trending" crap that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm watching
If they'd implement even half of that, my user experience would shoot up through the roof. But, you know, they couldn't give a rat's ass about user experience.
I'd also like them to fix the search. It only returns a small handful of results and then the rest is just recommended stuff not relating to the search
I know it's been said many times, but I truly miss the old internet. Fuck this homogeneous, corporatized, spyware ridden, ad infested, data harvesting, soulless, pile of fucking dogshit called the modern internet.
Not only that, let me hide whole dumbass channels. Then apply a similar function at Google search so I can spare my eyes from seeing a 1000 temu ads with each result.
Just let my choose which sites I want to block from showing me search results and ads.
Add "autoplay the next episode of the podcast I'm watching if it's available." Yeah, youtube, I really wanna watch Well There's Your Problem #138 immediately after Well There's Your Problem #43. Idiot.
Disable holding left-click to fast-forward a video
Oh god yes I hate this so much. If I want to control the playback speed of video there is an option in the settings for that. If they wanted to make it an option to fast forward by doing something rather than just changing the setting globally, it would have been better if they had picked literally anything other than me having to keep my finger on the mouse button. It should have been if I hold down the right arrow key.
Currently the set up that makes youtube somewhat tolerable for me is, Ublock Origin (obviously), sponsor block, Return youtube dislike, Youtube-shorts block , and UnHook. Another option would be to use invidous, Freetube, or NewPipe, but all of them are not perfect and have their own limitations.
Also, I wonder how that works if you’re colorblind?
This was probably a joke but I can actually answer that for you.
First of all, afaik there is no scientific consensus that people see the colours the same way. In fact, we most likely don't. The visual colour interpretation is mostly likely merely added on by our brains basing on the knowledge of wavelengths. In other words, there is no such thing as "absolute blue". There is "a blue" which is the colour each one of us' brains was taught to call blue by simply showing the sky. If I were to look through your brain (but not through your eyes, eyes understand wavelengths), we would probably disagree on each and every colour.
Second of all, there are different kinds of colour blindness. It is in fact an umbrella term for different disabilities. My understanding is that they usually involve a spectrum between two hues. So most colourblind will simply be unable to tell a difference between objects of two colours: for example red and green. They see them as slightly different versions of the same colour. However it would be wrong to say that the person in question sees red as green or vice versa, because, again, there are no "absolute colours". Their eyes cannot distinguish between these two ranges of wavelengths and the brain interprets them as the same colour.
And finally, colourblind people, when diagnosed, are fully aware of being colourblind, and furthermore, they DO NOT see in black and white. Even if a person cannot distinguish red and orange, then they still are aware there is a difference that most people around can tell and that there are concepts and feelings associated with them.
What I am trying to say is that a colour-blind person would probably still be able to, for example, associate "red" videos with action and blood, and "green" ones with nature and calmness, even though this distinction is not palpable to them.
Either way, this filtering with thumbnail colour is fucking stupid.
Very interesting - my job involves a lot of Excel and charts, so I recently took a training on how to make those more accessible for colorblind folks. So that’s good to know!
There will never be another one again. Storage, Bandwidth, Server, etc etc costs would be too astronomical for anyone but another multi-billion dollar company to spin up a competitor.
There are small scale niche efforts, Like for guntubers, or that stupid members only floatplane thing, but none of them will ever compete with youtube, because they don't have the scale or reach. and never will.
and considering i've never heard about it until you just mentioned it, I guess that means its very not big and very not a youtube competitor.
Also, a p2p video site will never work. cause you will just be offloading the bandwidth and storage burdens onto individuals who are far far less equipped to handle suhc things on their personal connections than a major video provider.
I believe it works like Bittorent (and things like Windows updates) where there is a swarm of peers that simultaneously upload and download to/from eachother, so the original creator, or any single user, doesn't necessarily need much bandwidth. There are some disadvantages to this, but it is manageable, and works for many other things. If it actually became a thing, I imagine sponsored/patreon-funded creators would pay someone to seed their videos to ensure availability and quality. Fans would probably help too. Technically, it's a viable option.
But yeah, with how walled-garden the Internet has become, it probably won't become popular without massive amounts of marketing and doing things like signing exclusivity deals with popular creators, which needs a lot of money.
Thats still going to get up petabytes of bandwidth at scale, and it will be sobs like you eating the cost of it. Which is why it'll never work.
Bandwidth is cheaper the bigger in bulk you buy it, which is pretty much the only reason youtube of today is viable at all.. All your peer2peer idea does is the same thing that every business in America does... Socialize the costs and privatize the profits.
It has been a long time since i've heard someone go crazy on the whole "p2p can fix anything/everything" spiel though. Its long since been overtaken by the whole "blockchain can fix anything/everything" spiel, so it was quite nostalgic hearing it again.
Thanks :) I've always been extremely pro-decentralization (that does not use blockchains to "solve" byzantine fault tolerance and sybil vulnerabilities). I'm fine with things being somewhat less efficient if they're decentralized, and fine with creators and fans eating the costs about things they're passionate about (though it would probably turn semi-decentralized with companies offering seeding/content-delivery services at low cost). The rise of symmetric home fiber connections further increases viability. But, I agree that it likely will never become mainstream.
Really wish there was a better way to host videos that doesn’t require a multibillion dollar company’s backing
Archive.org. For now. But people keep uploading full copyrighted movies to it and there appears to be no content moderation, so at some point there will be a massive lawsuit and it will be shut down. And that will be an incredibly sad day because it is currently also a source of useful public domain footage like the Prelinger Archives. Without the Internet Archive, we will not have a non-commercial archive of public domain footage.
