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Donjuanme ,

I saw one in the bay area Sunday, it absolutely had a distinct mud/baby-poop patina. Couldn't believe how much it stood out, how non-practical it appeared to be as a truck (I'd take a Rivian r1t any day for functional truck), and just how rusted it appeared to be (I thought it had driven through mud at first, but it was way too evenly dispersed), it couldn't have been a year old, or seen more than ten days rain.

taiyang ,

Lol; now to be fair (and I'm by no means a truck guy), I find the Rivian absolutely adorable with it's unique headlight design. Makes me think of Megaman every time I see one, for some reason.

Ok, adorable might not be what a truck driver wants to hear, but I'm the kind of person who yells "tiny dick" to himself every time I see a F-250 or bigger, in pristine condition and nothing in the back. Adorable = not insecure = cool dude or dudette.

Guest_User ,

Do specific cars actually make you think of other men's cocks? I too think pavement princess trucks are a joke but I just don't understand why other people seem to think of genitals when they see vehicles.

taiyang ,

It's mostly a joke, and my wife laughs when I see a mini or something and say "that dude must have a huuuuge cock!"-- a line I say less now that I have kids, haha.

That said, there is a certain kind of guy who most certainly takes offense most when genitalia are brought up. That, I believe, correlates with pavement princesses. (And while I hate to admit it, I've also kind of enjoyed co-opting the term "cuck" use since it tend to cut the deepest against the very same kinds of people who use said term. Has zero effect on my more liberal friends, too.)

Guest_User ,

Huh I guess there isn't an age limit to dick jokes lol thanks for sharing!

Kbobabob ,

I think I'd prefer a patina over the bare stainless. It would make it look like something out of mad Max. There are steels that will form an oxidizing layer that actually protects the metal.

Raxiel ,

Weathering steel, we used it for bridges all the time a few years ago, although it seems to have fallen out of favour recently. Asset owners liked it because you don't have to repaint it every few years (good for both reducing disruption and avoids having people work at height).
The patina can look quite nice (in my subjective opinion) but it's not particularly resistant to impact, and requires a thicker section size than painted steel.
Automotive application could certainly be... Interesting.

RattlerSix ,

I mean, don't buy a car from a conman folks

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

Watch it, you'll make the musky bois froth.

jaemo ,

Mmmm. Frothy musk.

givesomefucks ,

One way to keep the Cybertruck’s stainless steel body from rust and damage is to get it wrapped. Interestingly enough, while Tesla saved some money by not clear coating the truck’s body, the automaker offers a “Satin Clear Paint Film” and a “Color Paint Film” for the Cybertruck that costs $5,000 and $6,000. The “self-healing, urethane-based film” protects the truck from scratches and corrosive substances. After hearing about the issues that current owners are having with rust and corrosion on their trucks, we’d consider the film to be a must-have for Cybertruck owners.

There's a fix, it just cost 6k...

deegeese ,
@deegeese@sopuli.xyz avatar

Selling you back the clear coat they never gave it.

PersonalDevKit ,

The car equivalent of launch DLC that should have been in the base game

vinylshrapnel ,

They keep using the words “stainless steel” which is an alloy created to be rustproof by removing the iron out of it. So how exactly is this stainless steel if it rusts?

ChapulinColorado ,

There are different qualities of stainless steel. Remember kids, it’s stain less not stain never.

vinylshrapnel ,

I guess there is still iron in it. Looks like they didn’t use an alloy with enough chromium for the application.

Lucidlethargy ,
@Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works avatar

Tesla, cutting corners?! Say it isn't so!

nilloc ,

Well it has to be workable/formable, weldable and crack resistant under stress. Just welding most stainless mess with its ferrous properties.

Peppycito ,
@Peppycito@sh.itjust.works avatar

Forming it screws it up too. Work hardening after forging can make it magnetic.

lars ,

In addition to funny is this also actually true?

Peppycito ,
@Peppycito@sh.itjust.works avatar

Absolutely. Why would they call it less if it's actually never? That would be exceptionally terrible marketing.

lars ,

Sure, “less” means “fewer” or “not as much as”.

But the suffix “-less” means “without”:

  • flawless: no flaws
  • spotless: no spots; clean
  • fearless: without fear
Passerby6497 ,

Reckless: without wrecks

model_tar_gz ,

Nah, that’s without Rekts.

Peppycito ,
@Peppycito@sh.itjust.works avatar

So then it's genius marketing. Stainless absolutely stains and rusts.

DanglingFury ,

Yeah. I have a small pocket knife i carry everywhere, it is stainless. I've had it for years, and frequently bring it in the water with me clipped to my swim suit (incase i need to cut a tangled rope). I wash it like a dish with soap and water, i use it hard and put it away wet, and it has been fine for years and years.

After all this, i took it on a single trip in salt water, it spotted with rust that night.

I also have a Sig P938 SAS which has a stainless slide. I keep that dry and oil it on occasion, and yet that one spotted with rust within a year despite me taking good care of it. Luckily sig replaced the slide but this taught me one good lesson.

Different grades of stainless make it different grades of rust resistant. Kind of like calling IP67 electronics, like the iPhone 7, "waterproof" when they can only really withstand splashing. Some can get dunked, some can't.

kiwi5400 ,

I'm being pedantic here, but stainless steel still has iron in it. The addition of chromium forms an oxide layer on the surface that prevents rust. If the body is rusting, that means they used a shitty grade of stainless. Stainless with an appropriate amount of chromium (and nickel) is expensive as fuck.

Peppycito ,
@Peppycito@sh.itjust.works avatar

Stainless can go goofy after working it. Work hardening can even make stainless magnetic. Sorry, I don't know the physics of why.

FiskFisk33 ,

it rusts less, far less in fact, but it still does rust.

Also there are different grades, i bet they cheaped out

HootinNHollerin , (edited )

Stainless has chromium added. Iron is still the main element. Different stainless steels have various other elements added, like molybdenum. There’s a wide range of SS for various purposes depending on their formability, weldability, corrosion resistance, heat treatment or precipitation hardened. Some are mildly magnetic (400 series), others not (300 series). Big range of cost too. Not sure which one they used. There’s also a finishing process called passivation that should be used to reduce the likelihood of corrosion.

mellitiger ,

You are absolutely right, just for clarity:

Chromium needs to be > 12 weight-%.
If you take 18 w-% Cr and 8 w-% Ni you get an austenitic steel which is (normally) neither magnetic nor able to be hardened.

And if you add 12 w-% Cr, you remove 12 w-% Fe. So formally this is right-ish too...

Peppycito ,
@Peppycito@sh.itjust.works avatar

The answer is in the name. It's stainless not stainproof

dragontamer ,

“self-healing, urethane-based film

Urethane? You mean paint?

https://www.eastwood.com/paints/automotive-finishes/colors/single-stage-urethane.html

Its like these amateurs are figuring out why we paint cars... its because Urethane protects the metals from rust. I guess they could use Urethane film instead, but that's probably just not as good or efficient as paint...

anubis119 ,

Oil...can...

zurohki ,

I'm not sure Lemmy has many users old enough to get that reference.

anubis119 ,

Most people that can afford a Cybertruck should get it. Then again, not many Cybertruck owners are on Lemmy. But if they were on Lemmy, they'd probably pose as non-owners of the Cybertruck, thus meaning they'd pretend to not get it...
Oh no, I've gone crosseyed...

tmsbrdrs ,
@tmsbrdrs@vis.social avatar

@anubis119 @zurohki after seeing the cybertruck in the wild, I can say with 100% certainty it is even uglier irl

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

"remember when cars rusted like shitballs? What if we sold trucks that did that?"

"people buy our cars and their panels have these gaps you wouldn't see in any other manufacturer. And our cars, they seem to have a taste for the blood of children. People keep buying the cars though. We're doing something right and it's sure as hell not making cars"

"yeah but look at the stock price"

"good point"

Money fight!

dragontamer ,

“yeah but look at the stock price”

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/248b9533-9931-4745-a44e-7ec66e468c25.png

Uhhhhhh...

I think the stock market noticed this was a shit car guys. Look at that steep drop from December / January into February.

Voroxpete ,

But the good news is that if they give Musk 25% ownership he'll agree to keep running the company.

vanontom ,
@vanontom@lemmy.world avatar

What a deal. Save 25%, get rid of the cancer that's killing Tesla.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA ,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

Uh but when you look at the graph upside down it, um, I mean sideways it, uh shut up

(shitposting aside ♥️❤️♥️)

apfelwoiSchoppen ,
@apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world avatar

They should have went with weathering steel instead, and just leaned into it. This is literally Delorean all over again. Beginning to think Musk microchipped his own brain.

Kaboom ,

How on Earth do you fuck that up?

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

money

Peppycito ,
@Peppycito@sh.itjust.works avatar

I would argue hubris.

crazyCat ,

And what fuels hubris? Money

jabathekek ,
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

So, money and hubris. And cocaine.

Peppycito ,
@Peppycito@sh.itjust.works avatar

And ego.

topinambour_rex ,
@topinambour_rex@lemmy.world avatar

They should have used C#

lando55 ,

Should have repurposed the Apollo 11 source code

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

From what I hear, the panels of that car are sharp as fuck.

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

So they used the wrong grade of stainless?

FFS add it to the pile of embarrassment

SkyezOpen ,

Worse, it's a proprietary tesla steel.

Gormadt ,
@Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Given their current track record for QA I'm going to guess that it's the lowest grade they could still call stainless

zurohki ,

Depends whether Elon made the decision or Captain Sensible snuck in and did it while Elon was playing with Twitter.

It's not like Tesla doesn't have smart people, they just don't get to make the decisions some of the time.

ryathal ,

It's not really a surprise at this point. They've been avoiding automotive grade parts for a reasonable amount of their cars. Notably the screen.

csm10495 ,
@csm10495@sh.itjust.works avatar

Rust proofing. Wasn't that something dealers would add in as a scam for a few bucks?

Once again, there is a Seinfeld reference here.

I need a Seinfeld reference bot.

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/54e2fb0e-a3a9-45b9-a4fa-5621a87070af.png

ebits21 ,
@ebits21@lemmy.ca avatar

The owner must immediately remove road salt? The rust belt is nothing but 3 piles of road salt in a trench coat for half the year…

Voroxpete ,

Almost all of Canada is a no go zone for that thing at least 3 months of the year.

Asudox ,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

Thought it was Rustlang lol

tourist ,
@tourist@lemmy.world avatar

Same, but I've heard nothing but good things so I thought this was strange.

Lobotomie ,

Can someone share some information on the actual steel they use? This linkedin thread says they use 301, someone in this thread says they use a proprietary steel? (Can someone share the chemical analysis in this case?)

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-tesla-cybertruck-uses-301-stainless-steel-zhong-chen-ph-d-

filefly ,

Yeah, but when the hell is it going to get wet? You don't drive these things outside.

ExLisper ,

But isn't Rust supposed to be great and memory safe?

jerrythegenius ,
@jerrythegenius@lemmy.world avatar

Shoulda used nim or something

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