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AFC1886VCC ,

I need two women to cuddle in bed with. Purely for economic reasons of course because I can't afford heating 😎

Shou ,

I remember reading The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. Where criminals were sent there to work. Because of this, there were never enough women. Polyamory was the norm. Except the writer showed one man, married to multiple women. No co-husbands.

I only got halfway the book due to the writer's ceaseless complaing about women. So I am not sure if there are co-husbands at all.

HexadecimalSky ,

At what point does everyone need to be married to everyone and we remake communism?

cumskin_genocide ,

Poly people are just Muslims in denial

reverendsteveii ,

The polyamory will continue until we can form a ska band.

iiGxC ,

Polyskamory

Theme ,

My favourite pokemon

Ranger ,

Could we still have a pen & paper RPG group?

CptEnder ,

The real answer

reverendsteveii ,

what do you think ska bands do when they're done pickin' it up?

Hyphlosion ,
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My brain read skeksis instead of ska. And now I can’t help but picture a band made up of giant, overly-dressed, wrinky old birds rocking out in a dank cave.

JasonDJ ,

Multiple wives might get you greater revenue but they have higher expenses.

Men, if you want more net savings, don't get multiple wives. Just get one husband. Problem solved. The gays figured out how to game the wage gap long ago. Lesbians still have trouble though.

BeMoreCareful ,

30%•2

The math checks out.

werefreeatlast ,

Very much agree. Plus dicks are fun to play with! Right? I mean we all play with ours while sleeping in the dog h...couch! Right? But I think lesbians do better too.

Ranger ,

Why can't I have both?

CptEnder ,

Yo straight up all my gay and lesbian couple friends are rich AF though haha. One lesbian couple owns like 50 acres and a fuckin ranch mansion in Texas that's easily worth $5Mn + their livestock. My buddy Joey owns like 5 houses in 3 countries and lives in the Caribbean. He def figured it out.

phx ,

On the other hand, divorce is also expensive especially with rent costs so I wonder if some people just add to the relationship without moving out...

interdimensionalmeme ,

Also males can stack neatly in bed

chiliedogg ,

Interestingly though, on average, gay and lesbian married couples both make more money than heterosexual married couples.

JasonDJ ,

Probably because a lot, if not the majority of LGBT couples are DINKs. Makes it a lot easier to focus on career/education when kids aren't around.

secret300 ,

Ive never heard the term "DINK" What is that?

IGuessThisIsForNSFW ,

DINK - Dual income no kids

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    Crow ,

    I don't know exactly who you're talking about, so I can't really make my own opinion on them, but the way you describe it feels weird. Polyandrous visibility is important, and your comment feels like "it's fine if they do it in their own homes, but I don't want to see it in public"

    Emmie ,

    Yeah I don’t know why they have beef with polyamory and why watch it then. I guess probably some ingrained catholicism issues

    I think I am gonna block them and nothing of value will be lost

    Hamartia ,

    There are some Catholics that are reactionary morons but the majority are not. Describing religions by the worst people in them doesn't really come across as tolerant. Which ironically is what you're accusing them of.

    Emmie , (edited )

    The whole catholic doctrine is fundamentally flawed and incompatible with progressive world. I am not very tolerant of it at all. I can’t tolerate bullshit

    This isn’t some high horse I am trying to ride but a pragmatic approach vs something that is fundamentally against me.

    I don’t pretend I have the keys to the only true and ultimate best way of life but I am simply pragmatic in my war against that which hates me.

    If I was POC I would fundamentally hate Klu Klux Klan out of innate will to survive. This is very similar. I don’t get to pick sides or have a luxury of tolerance here.

    Similarly with so called right wing nationalism. I don’t have any choice other than to keep battling against them on sea, land and air. Even literally so if needed. My loyalty to my kin is unwavering and I would be willing to die for them if it was necessary. Thankfully it isn’t. However I am ready. Believe me.

    The current struggle however requires different action. Drastically lowering influence of Catholic Church is very important objective we must secure. As the influence of it wanes, so our freedom increases. One day we will see the world we fight for, where no one has to fear to be themselves.

    Luckily, it is not very hard to expose various CC pedophilic affairs which severely undermines public support for this institution. It has decreased here to 60% from 80% in 3 years and the churches are rapidly emptying thanks to the brave and brilliant journalists.

    Emmie , (edited )

    There are also those that view me as some political ideology, a choice so to say. However this couldn’t be further from the truth. My identity is the same as race or the colour of hair I was born with. To deem it a choice is fundamentally a hostile action to my very existence which will of course be met with appropriate reaction as needed out of the necessity for survival.

    Religion is a choice, even politics (though not always as you can see). Who you are isn’t a choice it is simply a fundamental right that needs to be won in a war if needed the same way ethnic groups fight for the rights to exist in peace.

    Hamartia ,

    It's perfectly legitimate to have issues with any organised religion but damning everyone brought up in their traditions is myopic.

    I was brought up a catholic in Northern Ireland during the troubles. Similar prejudice was routinely trotted out to justify treating us as second class citizens. So surprise, surprise even now as an atheist, I find it a bit triggering, as anyone mght imagine, to hear someone singling out my persecuted community in such a toxic mischaracterisation. I didn't ask to be catholic but I was brought up in a community of caring and open minded people. Sure there were arseholes but guess what every community has them.

    Emmie , (edited )

    I know the scripture and the official interpretation and that in itself is enough. I am not damning, you misunderstood me. I am not proclaiming that catholics are worse. I just find it aligning with my best interests to pursue downfall of catholicism so to say. It is rather calculated and well thought position than some kind of fit of anger or even hate. It is what benefits me.

    If this interpretation ever changes then I will reassess the situation. For now it is beneficial for me to hold this position considering the deeply ingrained rules of that religion being incompatible with me.

    There is a bigger enemy however - Islam. I’d be even willing to temporarily join the catholics against them to stop the wave of Islam from spreading to Europe which would be disastrous for me.

    Frankly if the Catholic Church changed a little and modernised their conservative interpretations they would be an extremely valuable organisation to me to help me ensure my continued well being and survival.

    It could indeed happen in the near future considering the tendencies. To ensure their own survival they will probably have to remodel some of their core philosophies. However the current pope is clearly clueless and unfit for this considering the awkward and dumb attempt at staying neutral during Russian invasion. It was a terrible move. A mistake that can cost everything this organisation really.

    Hamartia ,

    I'm sorry but you come off as just another nutty reactionary to me.

    Have a good day.

    Emmie , (edited )

    I am merely intolerant of an intolerant organisation. It can be summed up in one sentence really. Not every organisation needs to be tolerated. Some are too oppressive.

    Find some better religion. A one without thousand years history of killings, murder and rape. A one that isn’t a hypocritical pile of junk.

    Hamartia ,

    I don't call for an end to America over its hundreds of years of killings, murder, rape, slavery, genocide, ecocide, innumerable hypocrisies, and corrupting hegemony. I don't come on here and sweatily proclaim that all I hope for is the fall of the American ascendency. I don't because I recognise that America like Catholics or Muslims is a vast mix of people with a wide range of lived experiences and view points. And that not all of their history is terrible. Some of it is actually commendable. And the actions of the leaders often do not line up with the majority of their people.

    Yes, true, Catholic church is outdated and reactionary with way more than it's fair share bad actors but there are also hundreds of millions of Catholics, and people with Catholic backgrounds but no longer practicing, out there that are a wide mix of human beings that deserve a basic amount of respect.

    You can, for clarity, include within the parameters of basic respect, to not have to endure your overgeneralising hostile invective.

    Emmie , (edited )

    Being American isn’t a choice but religion is. And I also would hope for America fall but the problem is that it needs to be strong to face China and Russia. It’s true that the history of America is shameful at best and outright criminal at worst. We all have our pieces of national guilts. Religion however serves nothing. It’s just a drug for the mind, to placate the brain from the raw, cruel reality of cosmos. Not for me to say that it is inherently a bad thing in itself however catholic church definitely is a bad thing in itself. Again, find better religion.

    However in thinking about choices we must also consider the shameful indoctrination of children by Catholics this is the only reason why it could be said that it isn’t their choice. Because it was made for them. It’s tragic and criminal. Such practice should be prosecuted.

    This is a reason I usually pity Catholics rather than hate them. Because the choice was made for them. They had no say whether they want to be indoctrinated or not. Usually it is so ingrained that even years later after they leave the church they have problems with natural bodily functions.

    Is this really a hallmark of healthy organisation? No. It is nothing more than a cult.

    Such organisation should be pushed to irrelevancy if we want to progress further as a civilization. Their influence must wane. Which is a process that has already started.

    American fall would also be welcome however, it is currently impossible due to character of geopolitical arena. We need strong America with their tanks, aircraft carriers and nukes. We need NATO. In this way I am sort of a patriot. I believe in the power of steel to defend us from the bloodthirsty Russian dictators. Thus my heart sees american military with joy, being well aware it is the only thing between me and Putin’s rainbow genocide.

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    Crow ,

    Just because someone was annoying about it doesn't mean it's okay to be shitty towards others of that group

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    Crow ,

    Well, I think you're annoying and you're the one coming into this here post with a shit opinion about a minority you're not a part of. You're not the victim here, your behaviour is unprompted

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    SkyeStarfall ,

    Bruh, you're the one coming in a post about polyamory ranting about polyamory

    Just ignore and move on?? Why are you putting so much energy into this

    Shialac ,

    Just don't watch their contet if it hurts you so much?

    mynameisigglepiggle ,

    But dumpster fires can be entertaining

    ElderWendigo ,
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    This sounds remarkably similar to the attitude of that homophobic uncle crying about the gays shoving their lifestyle in his face by just existing. Maybe reevaluate your hang-ups.

    Korkki ,

    Re-establishment of clans and tribes will soon become an economic necessity for the poor. Unions would of course be better, but I'm not holding my breath.

    Ranger ,

    Counterpoint: Clan night raids with fire & steal on the local oligarchs & tyrants.

    Buddahriffic ,

    Realistically, it will be poor tribes vs poor tribes more often than not.

    Dagwood222 ,

    Read Neal Stephenson's "The Diamond Age."

    Book has a lot of idea, but one of them ios that the old nations have broken down and people become part of clans, some small and some nation sized.

    RizzRustbolt ,

    It's also a fairly good introduction to programming logic.

    Dagwood222 ,

    "Go pick up a loaf of bread. If they have eggs, get a dozen."

    "Here are the 12 loves of bread you wanted."

    radicalautonomy ,

    r/theonepolyjoke

    nowwhatnapster ,

    TINKs

    blindbunny ,

    When my partners realized Doug's neighbors were the dinks

    match ,
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    The T stands for [2,3,10,12,13,...]

    thisbenzingring ,

    🎶 Come and knock on our door...🎶

    thisbenzingring ,

    https://lemmy.sdf.org/pictrs/image/4e4de656-5366-4a4f-8d61-50e48ec208bb.png

    mindbleach ,

    You could room without the fucking, but I mean, have you seen streaming prices?

    blindbunny ,

    All three in my triad are ADHD no one else cares enough to try to understand us but we have eachother.

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    BakedCatboy ,

    Beyond that I also feel like the dating pool is just super small. Me and my partner have been poly for 4 years and still don't have any other consistent partners.

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    emidio ,

    That's being poly

    DragonTypeWyvern ,

    I love that society just reinvented harems and slapped a new label on it.

    nickwitha_k ,

    Not reinvented. Just categorized. Harems would be a form of polygamous relationship. There are tons of different forms of poly relationships, including cheating while in a "monogamous" relationship.

    Ranger ,

    https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/f56c940f-8640-41ac-876d-174f27a22bc1.webm

    gimpchrist ,
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    This shit right here is why I'm not poly.. it was a fucking joke your crowd has never been able to understand humor. God. Way to make me feel gross about the whole thing and ruin it.

    Ranger ,

    I'm autistic & tend to take statements with minimal social cues at face value, also I'm willing to bet money autistic people are over represented among poly people. I didn't intend to make you feel gross but how do you think your joke made me feel?

    Crow ,

    That's actually really cool and shows just how different polyamory can be

    StaySquared ,

    LMAO these kids today are going to be left so fkin confused about reality. It's as if it's better that they get married by the age of 15 just so they can avoid all the crazies out there who will eventually turn them into the crazies out there.

    BigFatNips ,

    When did Matt Gaetz join Lemmy?

    StaySquared ,

    Oh lawd, please no. I hate bought politicians. From local to state to federal.

    Crow ,

    Let me guess, you're also against "identity politics" because it will "confuse the kids"

    StaySquared ,

    The only identity (geo) politics I acknowledge is Global South and West. In the Global South, there really isn't identity politics and nor does the general consensus of the Global South want to embrace identity politics. All identity politics does is divide us further and keeps us unfocused and enslaved to the government. Sooner or later identity politics will self devour, regardless of what side you're on. To be frank, I don't like democracy - mob rules. It ultimately ushers in degeneracy and corruption.

    Mods, please don't ban me. We should have open discourse.

    dejected_warp_core ,

    Get this weaksauce, lame, half-assed attempt at building divisive speech outta my house. Troll harder or go home.

    radicalautonomy ,

    Are you saying you want three boyfriends but for them to not be allowed to date anyone besides you? Because that's called a harem and I don't know anyone...male, female, or otherwise...who would be interested in something so inequitable.

    If you'd not have a problem with your three boyfriends having other partners, then that is literally being polyamorous.

    Ranger ,

    It the boyfriends didn't know about the arrangement it would just be cheating.

    radicalautonomy ,

    Agreed, but what I wrote wasn't intended to imply that at all. I posited two scenarios, both of which would require full knowledge and consent of all parties: OP has three boyfriends who know about one another but are not permitted to have other partners of their own (harem), and one in which they know about each other and are free to date other people (polyamory).

    refalo ,

    Most women I know also feel the same way i.e. they don't want multiple partners but their boyfriend does

    TheBat ,
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    Look for bi guys then?

    SuddenDownpour ,

    Find me two twinks that look breedable and submissive.

    Crow ,

    Is polyamory just a joke to you? It's fine to be uncomfortable with the concept, be monogamous if you like, but treating it as a joke and calling it disgusting isn't very nice

    puchaczyk ,

    Polymisery

    TheBat ,
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    Looks like name for next TOOL album

    captainjaneway ,
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    We're getting closer and closer to wrapping back around and just having community. Just remove the sex aspect and boom you got a community going.

    match ,
    @match@pawb.social avatar

    you ever wonder if communities typically did just have a bunch of sex but revisionism happened

    Ithral ,
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    I'd guess they did, but I have no way to prove it. Let's build some and find out.

    uriel238 ,
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    For most of the existence of human species (according to the scholarly consensus of anthropologists) we existed in bands of adults who would intermingle freely. Adolescent men would raid nearby tribes and kidnap their young women, which is the means by which genes were exchanged between tribes.

    All the monogamy and licensing happened after agriculture and the great leap forward once tribes became big enough that infectious diseases were no longer contained through pure isolation. We see the misogynistic trends rise in late Hellenic periods and then Christianity cranked it up to eleven, so now we imagine even our migrant hunter-gatherer ancestors paired off.

    As a note, during the middle ages, it was super important among aristocracy to assure ladies-in-waiting were virginal before they were wed, and then used purely as heir machines, but the serf class routinely banged like bunnies in springtime. And while frowned upon by the more piety-minded clergy, it was generally ignored because a) Child mortality was something awful and every kid that ever reached majority was to be celebrated, and b) The labor shortage was extreme everywhere. There was always way too much stuff to be done, and so every pair of hands was welcome, even when they were attacked to an idiot, a malformed hunchback, a ne'er-do-well or the bastard progeny of a mixed coupling.

    Curiously, as we see in the birth of Mordred, pre-Christian European traditions included suspending adultery limitations during holidays, which happened at least once a season, sometimes twice. So even in societies where monogamy was the norm, there was a defined space for getting a bit on the side. (Useful when your partner was infertile.)

    So yeah. Right in one.

    SubArcticTundra ,
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    Thank you, for being the expert when we needed one.

    uriel238 ,
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    You're welcome to what I know, though I'm just someone who's read more than a little pop-science. I'm not accredited or anything.

    TotallynotJessica ,
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    even when they were attacked to an idiot, a malformed hunchback, a ne'er-do-well or the bastard progeny of a mixed coupling.

    The serfs probably become more fit than the nobility over time because they had far more evolutionary pressure and diversity. The bloodline rules limited the nobility more than anything. One capable person doesn't change much genetically in the grand scheme of things. Nepotism and inequality are anti-meritocratic.

    Ranger ,

    https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/pictrs/image/a4beb32c-6c82-4b67-b66d-ee1ced0c86b5.png

    The loop-de-loop

    TotallynotJessica ,
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    Royal families are just so sad and pathetic. Ultimately, everyone is worse off, even them.

    QuaternionsRock ,

    Adolescent men would raid nearby tribes and kidnap their young women, which is the means by which genes were exchanged between tribes.

    We see the misogynistic trends rise in late Hellenic periods

    hmmm

    uriel238 ,
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    Yeah, adolescence is weird, and some of this is guessing based on other primates. Gorillas, for example, evict familiar adolescent females shortly after puberty while welcoming strange adolescent females, which informs how we model the behavior of pre-agriculture migratory human tribes.

    (I should add we don't presume that it was the same everywhere either, so it's quite possible that some prehistorical humans had different means of managing their teens than sending the boys off to wage war and letting the girls get kidnapped in kind by raiders. Once we go that far back, we have to rely on archeological data, which is very selective in the tales it tells.)

    So then, there are some powerful goddesses in early Hellenism, for instance, Aphrodite (commonly a goddess of love and beauty), evolved from Astarte (Lover, Healer, Hunter, Warrior) who developed from Ishtar. In fact, when Aphrodite emerged from the sea foam on Kytherian beaches, Phoenician traders were coming to the Kytherian harbors, not only bringing goods and their own goddess, Astarte but also the modern Greek alphabet (before which the locals were using Linear B). So we have a path from Ishtar and this major poly-faceted goddess being reduced to a love goddess, who is then married to Hephaestus (the crippled forge) to put her in her place.

    Also curious to me is Dread Persephone who ruled the dead and the underworld long before Hades appears on scene. (Poseidon was the Olympian in Chief, and we see part of his gig in creating biodiversity, not just all the creatures of the sea, but also those of the land). Zeus and Hades were added late in the game, and the stories we have of Persephone, specifically of the abduction of Persephone from Demeter and the thing with the six pomegranate seeds comes from a single poem. Even then, winter comes not because Persephone is gone, but because Demeter is sad about it, and stops doing her job. So Persephone's role is to be mom's co-dependent emotional-support assistant during springtime, and go back to attending the dead.

    So here we have two examples of powerful goddesses that influenced the Hellenic people and culture who are then shoved backstage with the addition of Zeus and Hades.

    There's a similar event that I remember from Snow Crash by Neil Stephenson regarding Asherah, the consort to Adonai / Elohim / Yahweh. Asherah was always the ambitious one between the two, and the Canaanite temples to her were bigger and more numerous than the ones to Adonai. Eventually an ideological rift developed and the Hebrews raided all the Asheran temples, massacring the acolytes and burning them to the ground. The whole don't boil a calf in the milk of its mother thing (which informs the separation of meat products and milk products in kosher diet) is a specific reference to an Asheran ritual meal, I think for weddings, but I'm not sure.

    While I can't speak to whether misogyny is innate, I can say we've had periods in which goddesses were accepted alongside gods and in some cases were on top of the pantheon. We don't talk much about Gaea anymore even though in Hellenism she created everything on earth long before Poseidon was tinkering with horses. I think there's a division between Dionysian culture and Apollonian culture which parallels the shift from chthonic religion to celestial religion. (Chthonic gods are not to be confused with Cthonian gods, who are 20th century, and definitely celestial).

    I can say that in the middle ages and the domination of Christianity, women were completely unpersoned and regarded as chattel beasts (despite their capacity to think and talk, both of which was discouraged). Even Mary, mother of Jesus was not even given due recognition until the 12th century.

    Shialac ,

    Is there a Community on Lemmy about stuff like this?

    I followed a bunch of History/Archeology-Related subreddits to lurk out of interest, but didn't find anything good here on Lemmy

    captainjaneway ,
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    Source for the whole kidnapping aspect?

    match ,
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    The Roman historian Livy writing around 0 AD attests to "the rape of the Sabine Women", wherein the founders of Rome kidnapped and raped women from surrounding villages, which may just be mythological but is likely a factor in this concept being so prevalent.

    As a constrast, though, Madagascar was settled by a mix of Bantu and Indonesian (Austronesian) people, and genetic analysis suggests a founding group of at least 30 women from Indonesia, who almost certainly weren't stolen from across the Indian Ocean.

    anonymous111 ,

    This is a great write up.

    Do you have any books/sources to recommend on this subject?

    I've always been interested in klans persisting in the Middle East but dying out in Europe due (I'm told) to the Catholic church.

    Any interesting sources would be greatly appreciated!

    CptEnder ,

    Basically "samesies" skit lmao

    https://youtu.be/sgfQ9o2-9BM?si=OZcIhaOCm_vOCusT

    dejected_warp_core ,

    but revisionism happened

    The spotless translation of countless scrolls, tablets, and old books make this clear. They were all just roommates. Nothing to see here.

    shasta ,

    This is like half the point of polyamory

    Ranger ,

    Maybe the treasure was the community we formed as we had all the sex.

    JDubbleu ,

    This is incredibly common in SF. Many people live in co-ops and it's created an entire subculture where they coordinate large parties and events both within the co-op and with other co-ops. It's gone beyond necessity and become preferred by some because they enjoy living with lots of others. Not my thing, but many friends live in co-ops and love it.

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