Welcome to Incremental Social! Learn more about this project here!
Check out lemmyverse to find more communities to join from here!

pewgar_seemsimandroid ,

*mint

DriftinGrifter ,

switch to nix after encountering dependancy hell and broken packages

Darorad ,

That's the fun part though

iAvicenna ,
@iAvicenna@lemmy.world avatar

shoving down mandatory AI down everyone's throats I see? Probably part of a behind the scenes push by government or sth since they will be tracking and recording everything going forwards. I can even see people crying "But think of the AI!"

oo1 ,

skynet

Delusional ,

Is this for real? They're already quitting support for win10? Ain't no fucking way I'm going to win11 so Linux it is I guess.

zcd OP ,

Bro linux is SO FUCKING GOOD nowadays, you're going to love it. Debian, Arch, whatever its all gravy

sirico ,
@sirico@feddit.uk avatar

Yeah great move to arch after windows 10 big slow clap their guys gg

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

70% of the market. Half of those computers can't even run windows 11. Good to see Microsoft taking charge in the fight against the environment by asking tens of millions of people to throw away their perfectly good computers and buy new ones

JackbyDev ,

For real. I'm genuinely trying to grasp why. Is it seriously just so they can require secure boot and then say Windows 11 is secure from ransomware even though that's a feature of the motherboard and not the OS?

BCsven ,

They have added so much ad stuff and other garbage that the OS is slowing down, to combat the user perception that the OS is slow they have increased the hardware requirement.

chiliedogg ,

The home-user PC market has been hit HARD by smartphones and tablets. Suburban families no longer have a desktop in a home office plus a laptop for each member of the family. They may have a laptop, and it's probably a Mac.

This decision is too make people buy new devices or upgrade to an OS that has a lot more tracking built in.

Microsoft is pressing AI and other data-scraping tech hard, but they're necessarily going to have to have enterprise and government licenses that allow admins to block those features for legal and security reasons.

So they desperately need new home users they can data-mine.

reallyzen ,
@reallyzen@lemmy.ml avatar

I see I sideload of Gentleman Agreement with the hardware vendors here:

  • Hardware Vendors : "Oh No, The Market is Slowing Down!"
  • Microsoft: "Hold My Beer, it's Payback Time"

Everyone wins. Well, the usual suspects win as usual. The environment and the customer can go kiss Mr Gates and Mr Dell's asses.

DragonTypeWyvern ,

Windows 10 can't take screenshots at will...

That they will admit, at least.

growingentropy ,

I can't wait for some new bargain Linux machines.

Kallioapina ,
@Kallioapina@lemm.ee avatar

What would be The Linux that works for most windows games and majority of enterprise corporate software? Or a linux version that can get older warez windows software to work, like Photoshop CS 6 and the like?

misspacific ,
@misspacific@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

popOS just because they have an installer that includes nvidia drivers out of the box.

Sylvartas ,

I second this. Works almost flawlessly out of the box (I had to install another version of the Nvidia driver from the pop shop because my 3080 didn't like the 470 version but other than that I had no issues, except with some games that require a kernel level anticheat)

Kallioapina ,
@Kallioapina@lemm.ee avatar

1Ooh that sounds nice, because I have an Nvidia card.

PlexSheep ,

Installing pop os on my desktop failed.

Sylvartas ,

How ? I did manage to accidentally lock myself out of my main Nvme drive the first time because I chose the encryption option and fucked up the password because of keyboard layout shenanigans, so I reinstalled it without encryption because I'm the only person with access to this PC anyway, but everything else went smooth as butter.

PlexSheep ,

I don't remember the error, but it was the Nvidia edition on my old 2016 bought desktop. I restarted the install 3 times, and it failed at the same point.

I still don't have an OS on it at the moment, because the error was after formatting.

Sylvartas ,

Was it some vendor's prebuilt PC maybe ? Those can have some weird parts that can be hard to get to work properly on Linux.

PlexSheep ,

It wasn't potentially and I ran several Linux distributions on it over the years, including Manjaro and mint.

Zehzin ,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Mint also does, no?

misspacific ,
@misspacific@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

dunno, if it does, then yay?

sherlockholmez ,

Mint.

Psythik ,

Garuda Linux Gaming Edition is another option if you can get over the teenage "Dr4gonized" theme. I'd recommend it over PopOS because it's basically Arch with everything you need for a smooth transition from Windows pre-installed. PopOS is Ubuntu-based.

jawa21 ,
@jawa21@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Garuda has been great to me. Changing the universal theme in KDE is a really painless process, too.

glitchdx ,

I'm to dumb for ARCH, and I find default Fedora and Ubuntu very annoying (although I haven't tried them in a while). I did have a good experience with mint several years ago. What distros should I consider?

rodbiren ,

Mint is still basically mint from several years ago. Having tried a dizzying array of them it continues to be easy and hated on because it doesn't involve text based configing your life away. That said, because it lags behind compared to other distros in updating the kernel, the thing that makes new hardware work, it can have a hard time with things made recently. Try the edge ISO, which has a newer kernel. The team is working on more frequent updates, Wayland (a thing you ideally never have to ever know what it is), and just delivers a comfortable desktop experience since I first screwed up my computers with Linux in 2007.

JackbyDev ,

Is LMDE easy tok? Snaps scare me. (I have Nvidia 30xx btw.)

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot ,

Neither version of Mint use Snaps.

Zink ,

Mint uses the good parts of Ubuntu without the bad parts.

rodbiren ,

The Ubuntu version is still probably the best. You won't have to think about graphics drivers or printers. It all sort of just... Works. They rip the awful out of Ubuntu and keep the excellent, world class, support in place. You'd be hard pressed for find a better commercial and non-commercial support. You can easily search for any problems you do run into and there will not be some esoteric DISCORD as your support. There are countless forms with literally thousands of people probably somewhat knowledgeable on how to address issues. Things like CUDA and dev work are also extremely supported. My barometer is how much time I have to crap away to get a printer and scanner work. Both of which just work with Linux Mint out of the box.

gwen ,

when i used mint, the things that would perfectly solve all my issues without any of them returning ever were 11 year old youtube videos with 1k views. mint community is the best /srs

Valmond ,

Mint has became Linux 7 IMO. It just works.

zcd OP ,

How about PopOS?

lemmylem ,

Debian

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Linux Mint, Pop!_OS and ZorinOS are pretty nice for new users. If you want to get a little more advanced, maybe check out something like Fedora Atomic (e.g. Kinoite, Silverblue) or Universal Blue (Bazzite, Aurora, Bluefin). Arch isn't actually that hard, they have an installation script that makes everything super easy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YE1LlTxfMQ), or you could watch a video on how to install it manually (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JYIAaLrwcY, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC7NMbl4goo)

gwen ,

currently trying to move my mom to linux because she hates windows spyware (especially with co-pilot), will be trying zorin and mint with her.

unrelated but is libreoffice calc good for basic excel stuff? she isnt doing anything very very complex on it, but if something breaks i do NOT want to install windows and go through that whole thing again. (i do not use libreoffice calc, just writer and sometimes draw for pdfs)

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Never really used Excel or LibreOffice Calc either, but I think it should be fine. OnlyOffice is another option to check out.

gwen ,

wasn't onlyoffice bought out by a corp?

barsquid ,

You might be thinking of OpenOffice? OnlyOffice is at least open core under AGPL.

BuboScandiacus ,
@BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz avatar

Fedora is really nice now

greywolf0x1 ,

Fedora is too stable and boring, same as Debian and Opensuse, Ubuntu is just ugly

desconectado ,

Hahaha, too stable and boring... Do you use OSs as a form of entertainment? No wonder why people can't take Linux enthusiasts seriously.

greywolf0x1 ,

Fedora is too stable and boring, same as Debian and Opensuse, Ubuntu is just ugly

barsquid ,

The rpm-ostree versions are exciting and powerful.

keyez ,

I am running EndeavourOS which is arch wrapped in an installer and easy updater oneliner to update all your system and AUR packages. Still do have to interact with pacman and yay to install most things but really gives you a leg up to get started.

BCsven ,

Zorin if you want a simple to use system, or with a different learning curve OpenSUSE if you want GUI configuration for everything that would be CLI based in another distro. YAST2-GUI GTK has everything covered from setting up services, tweaking kernel, to adding users, altering hardware setup, GUI package selections and snapshots for rollback if you accidentally wreck your system.

fossilesque ,
@fossilesque@mander.xyz avatar

Mint. Try them all out here: https://distrosea.com free, no downloading.

abbotsbury ,
@abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

Fedora is great, if you don't like the default UI (I am a GNOME hater btw) you can easily try out one of the Fedora Spins with a different desktop environment while keeping Fedora's stability and features. I recommend Fedora KDE for faster machines and Fedora Cinnamon for older machines or people that want something that's snappier.

Matriks404 ,

I like how they end support for OS without providing an upgrade for a lot of people. Might as well put a Linux ad in their "Your PC is not supported" bullshit.

Andromxda ,
@Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

They even have a guide on how to install Linux: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install

Kornblumenratte ,

"Bare Metal Linux". I like it!

ArtificialLink ,

My laptop which is still perfectly usable doesn't have support for 11. Im probably gonna switch to mint or popos but I know lots of ppl that dont have new laptops and they just fucked? And there are tons of end users that just have no desire to learn some of the intricacies of linux even if it is something mostly simple like mint. They're gonna have to support security updates when they see the adoption numbers. Just like they had to do with 7 till they basically got to 10.

Demdaru ,

Now now, let's keep honest here. They did provide option to install Win 11 on unsupported hardware. It's just slightly hidden, prolly to avoid people bricking their pc's an blaming MS. And also it won't update.

tiziodcaio ,
@tiziodcaio@feddit.it avatar

btw

eletes ,
@eletes@sh.itjust.works avatar

All these gaming anti-cheats better become Linux compatible cause I'm definitely not upgrading to 11

nexussapphire ,

Anti cheat is about the only thing that doesn't work but I see that as a bonus. Anti cheat is more like a virus than it ever has been with the rootkit thing.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/editorials/icons/mobile/000/007/860/ORN.jpg

ILikeBoobies ,

If enough people switch then they’ll be forced to support it

Unfortunately users tend to have a “once they support a platform I’m not on then I’ll swap” mentality

GoodEye8 ,

EAC and Battleye both can work with Proton, the developers just need to set it up. Those two cover most of the gaming anticheat market. Battleye should be as simple as the dev telling Battleye to turn on Proton support and EAC should be an SDK upgrade.

It's all relatively easy to support Linux, people just need to pressure developers to make it happen.

Bongles ,

So...

Windows 10: the "last" windows version

Release Windows 11, requires specific hardware that you can't realistically add to your existing PC. But Windows 10 will keep being updated

Windows 10 is not getting anymore updates

Love it, no notes.

drislands ,

To be fair, my understanding is the "10 is the last version" idea came from a developer speaking in an unofficial capacity and the media ran with it. It may have never been true.

jj4211 ,

While that is technically true, Microsoft didn't really make any effort to correct the misunderstanding, despite it being a widely reported story in tech.

I suspect they had a legitimate faction that was going to say "rolling release" and so they let it go.

JackbyDev ,

It was definitely an official capacity because it was a Microsoft conference, but his phrasing was more like "latest" even though he said last. I think they misspoke.

Amir ,
@Amir@lemmy.ml avatar

You can use a win10 key for win11 and vice versa, so you could just see it as an update if it wasn't for the tpm requirement

ordellrb ,

Set a timer

Shape4985 ,
@Shape4985@lemmy.ml avatar

Fedora (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

mexicancartel ,

From which program did you edit this? Which brush?

v4ld1z ,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

Wdym?

mexicancartel ,

Gimp or krita or what?

v4ld1z ,
@v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

I was trying to make a joke about this being legitimate and not an edit lol

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • linuxmemes@lemmy.world
  • random
  • incremental_games
  • meta
  • All magazines