My friends and I still use TS3. The audio quality and voice activation is better than Discord's, and the desktop app doesn't take ten fucking gigabytes of RAM to run.
The absolute largest group of players in any game stuck with Mumble. That would be The Goonswarm Federation in EvE Online. We have just over 25,000 people, and well over 100,000 characters in the Alliance. In fact, AFAIK, all of the major alliances have to use Mumble because it allows more than 100 people in a room
Don't you have to host Mumble somewhere? With Discord anyone can create a server and invite friends for free with no technical knowledge required. That's a huge plus. I also remember RadCall was a thing for a while, at least where I am from.
Yes, you need to run the service somewhere. But anyone can do so (Foss).
With discord my experience is limited but I currently understand it's a service model so you're dependant on a company, which can pull the same sh*t teamspeak did at any time.
Not needing any technical knowledge just means someone else is running it, possibly being able to lock you in. And in the case of discord, you already are locked in and have to accept whatever they think up.
I don't think that people are trying to find an eternal solution. Nothing lasts forever. When Discord turns to shit, something else will take its place. There is no need to worry about that when it offers too many advantages today.
nah I'll just continue to mod my client until the death of it. If discord ever decides to ban mods, then most likely yeah I'll move. Default discord is so fucking bloated and unusable.
As long as you're on discord, privacy is just not a thing. However, there was this 1 plugin i really liked, called File Name Randomizer or something along those lines. It would just rename any image you upload to the platform to someone generic. Other than that, there's the disabled telemetry that some clients come with, but that's the extent of what I know.
I remember moving to mumble from teams peak because it allowed pretty cool levels of configuration.
Back in the late 00s and early 00s I was doing world of warcraft raiding. I had the server setup to have one key for main raid and another to talk to only officers. Quite useful especially in bigger raids.
Also as I recall for any remotely large ts server you needed to pay. The self hosted one was always gimped. Mumble you could self host with no limits.
For a group our size (we regularly have over 800 people on our mumble, peak is somewhere around the 1.3k mark if I remember correctly), it would also be very cost prohibitive to use TS
Lol wut, they never claimed servers were independently controlled. Maybe you just didn't look into what you were signing up for.
When you go use different servers on Minecraft realms are you under any impression those are not controlled by Microsoft?
When you choose a different server on World of Warcraft do you think it's a non-blizzard server?...
Like just because you put yourself into a state of bad false assumptions didn't mean they tried to trick you. People have been saying this about discord from the beginning you just never cared to look.
Did you actually think this or are you just inventing a person in your mind that this has happened to? Lol
Umm.. People have been using the phrase "Direct message (DM) me" since forever in the game and online comms world. Private message wasn't a concept until after DMs were later encrypted. And we always knew, that if we didn't control the servers, even encrypted, those messages were subject the server operators.
Your logic is giving me the impression that you're younger and didn't go through these experiences.
No, the term PM has been around before DM was the norm. Forums generally used the term PM. Ironically, not remembering PMs being the term prior to DM is making me think you're younger for not remembering it.
You're right. Had to dig into my memory for this one and fact check myself.
IRC, BBS, and most forums (of the era) used PM or SP. MUCKs and a few other tools used Whisper. ICQ introduced "IM me". Part of me remebers using the term "DM" for IRC messages, but I used IRC fairly regularly well into the 2010s.
However, the forum I spent a ton of my younger years on used "Direct Messages" which has likely polluted my memory. Since it was a technology related forum, that was probabaly a customization from the operator to distance everyone from the idea of "private" since everything was clear-text and unencrypted back then. That or I'm confusing "IM me" from the ICQ/AIM/MSN days.
Point being, nobody thought "PM" meant secure and not visible to the server operators back then. It just meant that only you, the recipient, server operators, and 1337 h4xx0rz could see your messages.
What a trip down edited memory lane that was. Thanks for fact checking me.
Neither have I. Generally if I want the impression of it being private, it will need to be encrypted and a whole skew of other criteria comes in. Still doesn't change the fact that growing up they were referred to as "PM's" for the first half of my life.
Not everything has to be foss, it is in company's best interest to not make it as malware. In last 20 years that I have had TS installed on my server and client, have I had it act like malware. Discord in the other hand has instantly caused issues. Not saying that TS3 doesn't have had bugs, ofc it has had.
I may not read the source code of every tool I use, but even if the average user doesn't read the source code, having it available for inspection by others in the community increases security, trust, and overall software quality. All a user really has to do is look at the license of the software they use, typically a GPL or similar license, and consider how reputable it is. Not only that, but if you're on Linux already, you can just get most of the software from your distro's repositories.
No, you should have the freedom to use it if you want. All I'm saying is that you can't really call TeamSpeak a better alternative, when they're both just as bad (they're both proprietary). If you're looking for a better alternative, consider using Mumble, it's FOSS.
The real question is: How in the world did Ventrillo continue to exist after TeamSpeak came along?
Vent was an object lesson in hostile UX. It sounded like shit, changing any kind of setting (even basic things like individual volumes) was a a gymnastics routine, and mics constantly clipped despite settings.
Unpopular opinion, ventrilo was better than team speak. It didn’t sound like crap especially when you had good server codecs and it was extremely easy to use and lightweight.
I don't think that's unpopular at all, I only ever used vent in highschool and uni, some of the groups I ran with even went back to vent from TS becauae of the sound quality. It was simple and easy to use and pretty much everyone had it.
no reason you couldn't implement a voice bridge either, both have open communication standards. There's existing bots/libs out there for similar things already. Probably wouldn't even be all that hard to implement.
Yeah, I feel like the OP picture is more of a commentary about the overlap, or lack of overlap, between people who use ts, and people that use the service formerly known as Twitter.
Still hosting TS as the primary place my friends record things because of the audio quality and especially reliability compared to Discord, but not so much for hangouts anymore. Got Mumble in the back pocket in case the licensing goes to crap though
What do you mean? Genuine question, I'm loosely familiar with the the issues with Discord having it's growing issues with data and advertising but I assumed Nitro was the worst element.
Mumble is like a reliable Toyota Corolla. You will turn no heads, but it has all the features you would need for the task (encryption, room hierachies, ACL, machine-learning-enhanced noise canceling, positional audio, choice of method input like push-to-talk, mini UI overlay atop games), and does them efficiently.
…And like a Toyota Corolla, there’s probably a decent upgrade out there, but you might be compromising on more than you think. Want a car without the manufacturer tracking you or bloated, touch-screen navigation? Many ‘modern’ VoIP options, especially proprietary ones, are literally doing the latter.
Discord enshittification is well under way, just this week I have started seeing ads in the client just above the voice channel status in the bottom left. Cancelled my Nitro immediately, no point if they are going to shove ads in my face anyway.
Currently looking at alternatives, Revolt looks promising, and can be self hosted.
Bullshit. Pics or it didn't happen. You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
Additionally, you can click on it and tell it to never show you any more quests.
Either that or you're bitching about discord telling you that it has added more voice channel mini games.
You might have seen a quest, where if you stream a specific game to your friends you get a free in-game item, but these are not advertisements.
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Advertising is the practice and techniques employed to bring attention to a product or service. Advertising aims to put a product or service in the spotlight in hopes of drawing it attention from consumers
I have no interest in streaming "quested" games, and whatever deal Discord has done with the developer to encourage users to engage with such games (and by extension the game's microtransaction economy), and regardless of what they call it, is by definition an advertisement. If you can't see that, then you are an ad campaign exec's wet dream. Either that, or a troll.
Schildi Chat is probably the best client I have spotted, full voice and video chat functionality in browser. People do way less hemming and hawing about downloading an app if they've already been able to try it out in web - just like discord
Well, here I was, wondering when EverQuest had added the protagonist of Space Quest to their game at some point, taking an embarassing amount of time before realising what this is actually saying.
