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foggy ,

Execs: what can we do?!

Jim from marketing: We could throw ads into windows 11... That'll get em flocking! People love ads!

ArtVandelay ,
@ArtVandelay@lemmy.world avatar

More AI in the start menu!

foggy , (edited )

Execs: Holy shit. Give him a raise.

Lay off everyone else while you're at it.

RagingSnarkasm ,

Hang on a sec, this isn’t Google!

Plopp ,

Speaking of, let's see if we can get that Prabhakar Raghavan guy, he seems to know what he's doing.

lemmytellyousomething ,

With that attitude, you'll never work in marketing...

REPLACING the start menu with AI is the way to go!!!!111

xavier666 ,
@xavier666@lemm.ee avatar

Ads will continue till the users fall in love with ads

JigglypuffSeenFromAbove ,
@JigglypuffSeenFromAbove@lemmy.world avatar

In my company they legitimately try to convince us that our users love ads.

I conducted user research on one of our websites, which showed complaints about the amount of ad placements we have been throwing at them. The execs responded by telling me "but we are actually HELPING them, we're showing them products that will improve their productivity and processes". Then, they came up with ideas for new ways we can place MORE ads on top of the ones already there. I'm sure our users are loving it!

Starkstruck ,

Good god that's actually insane. Corpos have completely lost it.

JJROKCZ ,

It’s more like the execs know that ad revenue is a significant chunk of the revenue stream and cost very little to implement so they’ll keep growing that until it starts measurably impacting other revenue centers in the org

yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Where is the research part of "marketing research"? lol

AeroLemming ,

You should tell them that if users love ads so much, you should add a slider to let people control how many ads they get. Surely they'll only increase the ad count, right?

SuperSpruce ,

On a related note, YouTube just gave me a pop-up advertising premium again, only this time the cancel button was "No, I like ads."

I was gonna sit back and watch an hour of YT (with ads) but that pop-up rubbed me the wrong way and I didn't watch anything so that I might skew the A/B test in favor of no dark patterns.

cy_narrator ,

"Solution" is to break Windows 10

MrSoup ,
@MrSoup@lemmy.zip avatar

I hope they do. I would laugh very hard.

tyrant ,

Isn't that literally their road map? It's supposed to be end of life shortly

IronKrill ,

End of life ≠ breaking it. It will continue working as long as Microsoft doesn't touch it and apps support it.

Hotzilla ,

Well, win10 is going End-of-life next year.

altec ,

After trying Windows 11 for a while, I just gave up and installed Kubuntu on my computer. I still use a Windows VM for some things, but I make sure to firewall the shit out of it lol

Sabata11792 ,

I switched to Nobara. I still got to dual boot 10 for a few games but I'm in no rush to get the install set up. I tried 11 and its just pure ensitifacation.

altec ,

I'm actually scared to dual boot. I've heard too many stories of Windows updates messing up the bootloader

Sabata11792 ,

Wndow's will constantly change it's self to be first on the boot order both in EFI and on the BIOS. It's a pain in the ass to override it every time and it will switch back every time. I haven't had it blow up recently but have had issues with older versions.

It also hangs my BIOS every time it switches the boot order without consent :/

xapr ,

I haven't switched or started dual-booting yet because I haven't had time, but I've read the recommendation that the best way to do dual or even multiple boot is to have separate physical OS drives and select which one to boot from with the BIOS boot selector. Smaller SSD drives are pretty cheap these days, especially if you get them used on ebay or whatever. I picked up a Samsung 240 with 0% wearout for like $20 bucks.

ichbinjasokreativ ,

Kubuntu is a very solid choice!

NutellaIs4Lvrs ,

My work laptop recently updated to Windows 11 and man, what a pile of garbage. If I could downgrade, I definitely would

RiQuY ,

What's stopping you?

EmilyIsTrans ,
@EmilyIsTrans@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

The computer is probably locked down and all software/os provisioned by their IT department

NutellaIs4Lvrs ,

Yes, exactly. I’m not really allowed to do anything other than some minor personalization of appearance.

sfunk1x ,

Thankfully I only have to use Windows to play video games. It would be terrible having to use it everyday for work.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

It really isn't that bad if you run a debloat script.

TheGrandNagus ,

Man windows sounds complicated. All these scripts and programs you've gotta hunt the web for, opening the command prompt or doing a load of registry edits to not see ads everywhere.

DarkDarkHouse ,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

These days it’s easier to game on Linux than it is to debloat Windows

sfunk1x ,

I've been a hardcore Linux gamer for 15+ years, but there's some games that just don't work on Linux, unfortunately. Sim racing was something I wanted to get into so I could get familiarity with some tracks before I actually go drive them, so putting up with windows long enough to launch the games is something I can deal with.

If M$ starts sending me ads mid game, then I might start looking for other solutions.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

That's absolutely untrue. The debloat tools have a GUI and presets where it's basically a single click to run them.

I seriously tried gaming on Linux with like 5 different distros, and it was a struggle to get things running not completely awfully. Windows doesn't have those issues.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

It's not really a hunt. Just Google "windows 11 debloat tool" and it's in the top 3 results.

https://m.majorgeeks.com/files/details/windows_11_debloater.html

TheGrandNagus ,

You find all kinds of crap when you search for things like that, you need to do your research on what's trustworthy.

I see a lot of Windows users say "oh you can make windows not terrible, you just need to install this random modified Windows ISO that there's no way of knowing if it contains malware"

It's absolutely a hunt.

nul9o9 ,

I am dreading the upcoming Windows 11 upgrades at my work. They made everything so fucking hard for me to get into to troubleshoot issues for our users.

MakePorkGreatAgain ,

win11 is hot trash. seems like every other windows release is a skip. did Ballmer enshrine that or was it Gates?

psycho_driver ,

Hmm well . . .

Windows 95 - revolutionary UI changes for its time

Windows 98 - hot garbage update

Windows 98SE - fixed hot garbage and was ok

Windows ME - hot garbage

Windows XP - Windows 95 for grown ups

Windows 7 - This is where it breaks down, since from what I hear 7 was actually pretty good (been a linux user since the ME days) - but if you're counting Windows XP was Windows 5 so maybe they worked on 6 and just didn't release it to break the curse

Windows 8 - Everybody should have just moved to linux at this point

Windows 10 - Who knows. You should have been using linux

Windows 11 - If you're not using linux now you shouldn't have a computer

Kr4u7 ,

Yeah but u missed vista between xp and 7 so it works out

psycho_driver ,

Oh shit you're right, and Vista was a giant turd sandwich.

MakePorkGreatAgain ,

it was so bad. didnt help that it had higher hardware requirements than win7, and we didnt really have affordable ssd's then so everything was so slow - or, that's what my memory says, I havent used a spinner disk in a long time.

Evilcoleslaw ,

It wasn't so much the lack of SSDs. Vista had much higher memory requirements than XP. At the time, OEMs were still regularly shipping systems with sub-1GB RAM installed. Those OEMs put pressure on Microsoft to change the Vista- Ready certification requirements to include their shitty builds that couldn't really run Vista.

In addition, dual core machines were only just coming to market, so there were a ton of systems with single core CPUs. Plus, with the changes to several driver models and some of the verification requirements (sound, graphics, needing to provide x64 drivers to get verified) from XP to Vista many vendors decided to EOL their products instead of write new drivers. I know many sound cards were EOL that were literally still on store shelves.

hollyberries ,

You forgot Vista before 7. The list didn't "break down" because Vista was the steaming pile of shit in between.

8 sucked, 8.1 was good at least in my opinion. 10 was when I fucked off to Linux land permanently after using it on and off for 15 years and have never been happier.

MakePorkGreatAgain ,

yeah 8.1 wasnt that bad (supported it, didnt use it), 10 was way better than 8.1 imho. thinking win10 is going to be my last win though.

hollyberries ,

I admit that I am a bit biased. During the 8-10 years I tanked my startup by going all-in on Microsoft Store apps because I absolutely loved my Windows Phones and was convinced that they were the future, especially when Continuum was announced (and it actually worked!).

The disenchantment started when Microsoft forced developers to rewrite their apps for Windows 10 after already having forced the mobile devs to do it from 7 to 8. The hatred ramped up when they killed support for the Lumia 950XL 6 months after launch. I freaking loved that phone.

It pissed me off so much that I went to Apple lmao talk about cutting off my nose to spite my face.

Khanzarate ,

You forgot Vista between XP and 7, and it wasn't great, so the pattern holds up remarkably well.

8 felt like a mobile OS, because it was.

10 is OK. Not as good as 7, broke support for a bunch of things, really amped up the spyware feeling, but it works OK.

Then 11.

Probably still can have a computer though, it's just not fully yours on 11.

psycho_driver ,

Probably still can have a computer though, it’s just not fully yours on 11.

That's a good point. If you leave 11 on your computer, then you don't own it anyway.

Microsoft is just allowing you use of the hardware to run their data mining software on.

henfredemars ,

Honestly, I just got tired of fighting with it and took my OS into my own hands. Grew tired of the services being pushed in my settings getting reset to whatever Microsoft pleases.

jqubed ,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

I feel like Windows 7 was peak Windows. I have an old machine I still turn on sometimes with 7 but it just seems so much better than 10/11.

JovialSodium ,

"Peak Windows" is a fun one to ponder. I'd probably pick XP for fairly high reliability and fairly low bloat. Or 2000 if taking business oriented versions in to consideration.

jqubed ,
@jqubed@lemmy.world avatar

2000 was a great one; we ran it on most of our home computers at the time. I’d say it was my second favorite.

oo1 ,

widdows 2000 was the pinnacle for me, beat XP until i wanted to go to 64 bit.

Apart from having 64-bit, XP was a step back; even if I don't count the fucking dog thing.
XP was a fair bit harder to de-bloat than win 2000 and they were hell-bent on forcing internet exploder on the world.

XP was also at a time when Linux was becoming pretty easily usable and mac osx was impressive too - I remember using those imac coloured egg things at university in 2000. They were good apart from the mouse, and ran MS office pretty well.
StarOffice was already better than MS-Word at dealing with .doc format across versions.
and ancient version of Wordperfect were miles better for WP anyway ("reveal codes").

windows XP was already down to gaming, adobe and CAD/other specialist apps, plus maybe MS Excel that just weren't as good or not available on linux.

Cold_Brew_Enema ,

DAE WINDOWS LITERALLY HITLER?!?!?

CrazyLikeGollum ,

As others pointed out, you're missing Vista from your list. You're also missing Windows 2000 for Workstations (between 98SE and ME) and 8.1 (between 8 and 10) both of which were pretty good releases.

leftzero ,

You forgot Vista between XP and 7 (probably because your brain blocked that traumatic experience).

Sludgehammer ,
@Sludgehammer@lemmy.world avatar

Windows 10 is pretty crappy but tolerable, everything I've seen about 11 suggests it's a utter shit show.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

I really don't have any issues with it, but I debloated it as soon as I got it.

floridaman ,

So you removed all of the windows 11 from the windows 11, sounds pretty tolerable.

TheGrandNagus ,

Not like Windows 10 doesn't have heaps and heaps of bloat and spyware. Windows 11 just continues the trend.

aStonedSanta ,

It made the trend visible to non power users atleast. That’s for sure.

Linssiili ,

Yeah, the secret is to debloat it all the way to 7. Going under that is not advisable expect under doctors supervision.

henfredemars ,

I heard it’s pretty good with the bloat stripped. Honestly, if I’m going to start modifying my system I decided I’d rather have an OS that supports it properly.

More power to you though!

otter ,
@otter@lemmy.ca avatar

Do you have any guides or tips for others that might want to do the same?

'clean up your PC' type programs get sketchy, so reliable recommendations would be appreciated

yol ,

As far as a debloater goes I recommend this one. Not only is it fast, it also has options to reverse all the things you did previously.

https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat

yamanii ,
@yamanii@lemmy.world avatar

Beware of those things, all the people you see complaining that the store doesn't work when they want to use gamepass were debloat users.

pearsaltchocolatebar ,

This is what I use. . They have a good preset, and there's also the option to install 3rd party apps and do UI tweaks.

Cornelius_Wangenheim ,

Same, but I run a "pro" version that I acquired from work like a decade ago.

sebinspace ,

Starting to think MSFT are no longer targeting users that care about that stuff. They’re going after the ignorant/complacent/corporate. I think they realized the rest of us were a lost cause as soon as Linux was remotely an option.

slaacaa , (edited )

I’m from Eastern EU but work in Germany in English. As I grew up with my native language’s keyboard, I always set that up, but turn the display language to English.

Worked fine in 10, but with the new 11 work laptops most things are indeed English, some apps are in my native language, and some in German. And a few days ago, lock screen stock photos started appearing (instead of the company’s logo as before), with quotes in my native language. All because I want to use a specific keyboard.

Based on searching, this is a known problem, win 11 languages are a mess, and no way to fix without resetting settings and reinstalling some things, for which I would need to leave my computer with corpo IT.

CosmoNova ,

American software is terrible at handling multi lingual users, aka people outside the US. Web browsers and Google services suffer from similar problems, but the random quotes in the lock screen are certainly something new to me.

Alk ,

I have windows 11, and with startallback and directory opus both of which I had on 10) it's indistinguishable from 10. No benefits, no drawbacks. Honestly should have saved the trouble and not installed.

EngineerGaming ,
@EngineerGaming@feddit.nl avatar

I honestly don't even distinguish 10 from 11. For me, both are not acceptable on my machine, both have to be fought during daily use. Most problems of 11 originated in 10 and were already too severe.

paddirn ,

I switched from 10 to 11 about a year or two ago and haven’t really had much issue with it. It was mostly a seamless switch, much less trouble than any other Windows transition, apart from something with the taskbar I remember being stupid, but I found some third party software that fixed it. I’d love to hate on MS, but I’m just sort of mildly ok with it. Even Copilot being added in to the sidebar is whatever, I’ve found some random needs for it here and there. As long as it doesn’t go snooping through my computer and report my mountain of illicit mighty morphin power ranger hentai, I should be ok.

LostWanderer ,

Microsoft's own incompetence has made Windows 11 a failure. The system requirements really made it a flop (possibly an intentional part of their plan to boost hardware sales but create a ton of e-waste as a result). I'm running Windows 11 as my PC meets the specs, it's not a bad OS persay as it works for my day to day needs. However, if I didn't game on PC I would probably switch completely to Linux. I stay on Windows as it is for the time being convenient to do so. If the next version of Windows has a dire increase in regards to specifications...I would likely go back to Ubuntu!

JovialSodium ,

You should check protondb and see if your games of choice are supported, if you've not done so already.

I completely jumped ship from Windows the better part of a year ago now and haven't encountered a single game that didn't run, at the least, reasonably well. And usually just fine OOB. Though ymmv of course.

LostWanderer ,

It's a big YMMV experience with Linux, it just boiled down to mental load in comparison to Windows; Remembering all manner of commands and how to do certain things, along with that subset of hostile Linux users on help forums has made it an OS that I will use only in a dire situation. Linux is mostly for those who aren't afraid to tinker with the OS and have time to figure out what the hell is wrong with their PC in case of a strange situation occurring. Ubuntu worked really well for me for years (except the times it didn't, and I Googled my way to a solution each time). I did miss the ease of installing games and just having them work without extra steps (a common issue for most games). I also expanded my console games library so that the game variety is not lacking.

Windows is admittedly easier to maintain, and I never have any encountered any major concerns since the Windows 7 days and once while on Windows 10. As far as compatibility goes, I know most of my Steam and GOG libraries are compatible with Linux, since I've a tendency to buy games which are supported on Linux. I made sure to give myself a decent library as a result in case Microsoft screwed the pooch enough that I needed to go back to a Linux distro.

SuperSpruce ,

And even on hardware that does theoretically support Windows 11, budget hardware will make the most basic of tasks take forever and lower midrange hardware will feel slow. On most Linux distros and ChromeOS, budget hardware will feel slow (mostly due to bloated websites), and lower midrange hardware will feel quite snappy for the most part.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

I honestly have zero problems with W11.

This being said I only run it on my gaming PC. My laptop runs Linux and I like that better. Honestly most people can switch their gaming rigs to Linux as well. I've tried it, it's very good. I've got some elgato products which I wanna keep alive, fuck with VR a little, and freetrack is not available yet which is the real deal-breaker for me.

I played most games on Linux no problem though and it was great.

BassTurd ,

I think I've had just one issue with Linux gaming, and it was made worse by me trying to troubleshoot the error, when restarting the game for the first launch solved it out right. It was a, "have you turned it off and on again?" situations. Otherwise, everything has ran well, installed well, and was pretty seamless. All of that while running Nvidia, which is the biggest surprise.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Yep. That's been my experience too. 9/10 times it runs flawlessly, and when it doesn't it's usually easy to solve. I'm running Nvidia hardware too, and it's been no issue. I do older games on my ThinkPad sometimes too. Zero problems.

BassTurd ,

I can't run Wayland, which I think I've determined is an Nvidia thing, but that's it. I do wish there were more and better options for some softwares, but that's just the nature of the game. Specifically audio recording and CAD leave something to be desired, but there are at least some options.

ObviouslyNotBanana ,
@ObviouslyNotBanana@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah I'm patiently waiting for Wayland too

TheFeatureCreature ,
@TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world avatar

I run Windows 11 on my workstation rig out of necessity and it's serviceable as an OS... as long as Microsoft keeps their greedy fingers out of it - which they do not. W11's lack of uptake is entirely their fault and they have done nothing to grow any good will amongst their customers and, in fact, constantly treat them like money pinatas to beat repeatedly.

Frog-Brawler ,
@Frog-Brawler@kbin.social avatar

I kinda feel like Microsoft already knows about the recognized pattern of every other OS release being considered a success. That being said, I’d bet $1 they’re already spending more in the development of Windows 12 v 11.

not_that_guy05 ,

Bring back windows XP!

I_Miss_Daniel ,
@I_Miss_Daniel@kbin.social avatar

Such colourful days :)

kill_dash_nine ,

I was team classic theme for a long time. I forget the tool I used but the ability to customize the look of XP was awesome as I had a nice toolbar and start menu theme.

guyrocket ,
@guyrocket@kbin.social avatar

I think a primary use for windoze machines is gaming. I hear that the steam deck has pushed a lot of games into playable states on Linux.

So I hope this makes it much easier to switch from windoze to Linux.

henfredemars ,

I’m in this camp. I use my PC mainly for gaming, and it runs Linux. All the games I care about are supported just fine with Steam and Proton. Not every game is compatible, but it works for the ones I want to play.

I found it very easy to get my games working, but experiences will vary. Most games were zero effort because it was handled automatically.

Drummyralf ,

I moved to Linux Mint about 4 weeks ago (with optional dual boot Windows).
All the games I tried have worked so far, even when not officially supported (turn on Proton compatibility in steam settings). If your multiplayer games use anticheat, Linux is a no go.

If you happen to have 2 harddrives, try installing Linux on one to see if it's something for you.

xapr ,

People are saying in another part of this thread that many games with anticheat actually work on Linux.

Ghostalmedia ,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

I recently jumped ship to a new gig that MS’s account reps have burrowed deeply into.

It’s been about 7 years since I’ve been in a “Microsoft for all the things” shop. Now that I’m back in Microsoft land after 7 years, my first thought is “what the fuck happened in Redmond?”

The software is buggy, people are restarting left and right, and everything is missing 25% of their competitor’s features. I feel like I’m visiting a childhood home that is now occupied by hoarders.

hakase ,

I switched my four home computers to Linux Mint this week. Windows is just more trouble than it's worth nowadays.

Rooki ,
@Rooki@lemmy.world avatar

Same, its just like everywhere enshitification of companies who try to get more profitable by spying,advertising and many anti consumer practices. Linux just stays good. and / or if you dont like your distribution just swap to another, its easy :D

Untitled4774 ,

Hell you can even just change desktop environments to shake things up as well.

LucidNightmare ,

When I finally learned how do install a different desktop environment, and still use Debian, I was set. KDE!!! KDE!!! KDE!!!

MudMan ,
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Just so we're clear, the data in the headline refers to the share of Windows editions among Windows users. By their count Windows actually went up slightly in the overall Desktop OS share last month, while Linux remains basically flat at 4%.

mriormro ,
@mriormro@lemmy.world avatar

But I keep hearing everyone here saying this year is totally the year of the Linux desktop.

JJROKCZ ,

I mean, it is higher than a decade ago at least. I think most people are expecting some Linux growth when Microsoft finally axes 10 and millions of machine with no TPM have to move to Linux or face a life of no security updates

pressanykeynow ,

Windows is just more trouble than it's worth nowadays.

To be fair that's exactly how Microsoft management feels. For half a decade now Microsoft is a company that sells Linux and opensource judging by their yearly reports, other departments either don't grow nearly as fast or are just straight detrimental. So they do want you to dump that shit, preferably gaining some cash before it happens naturally.

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