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response to recent trends rule

here are some hyper-polluting individuals:

  • the Rolling Stones’ Boeing 767 (5,046 tonnes of CO2)
  • Lawrence Stroll (1,512 flights)
  • Thirty-nine jets linked to 30 Russian oligarchs – (30,701 tonnes of CO2)

relevant quote:

But I will say this, a movement can't get along without a devil, and across the whole political spectrum there is a misogynistic tendency to choose a female devil, whether it's Anita Bryant, Hillary Clinton, Marie Antoinette, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, or J.K. Rowling [or Taylor Swift]. And there's always gonna be people who seize on any opportunity to be misogynistic. So I would advise trans people and our allies [or environmentalists] to keep in mind, that J.K. Rowling [Taylor Swift] is not the final boss of transphobia [anti-environmentalism]. She's not our devil. The devil is the Republican Party, the Conservative Party.

—Natalie Wynn (emphasis and bracket text mine)

edit: if you can’t respond to this without using the c*nt expletive it is not helping your case lmao. mods are we okay with this? in any case, please don’t feed the trolls.

edit 2/FAQ: “but why did she threaten legal action against that college kid though?” still shitty, but refer to this comment for a good explanation of the context behind that decision.

She only threatened legal action since those memes started before when her flight movements got the attention of the right in an attempt to make her less credible of a voice speaking out against trump. And knowing how batshit insane trump cultists can be and how she’s basically the single most hated person of his base I’m not surprised that she feared for her security. Those records were public for years but the legal action only happened after someone created that meme and even fox news suddenly cared about plane emissions…

and another good comment

[…] For Swift, this is legitimate fear. I don't know if you've ever experienced actual fear for your life, but it's crippling, and it effects your psyche. To experience that on a daily basis because of an app? You bet your goddamn ass I'm going to talk to my lawyers about what my options are.

sources/timeline for the above:

lessthanluigi ,

Well, there is Dexter Holland (Lead singer of The Offspring) that flys his own private jet. So you can yell at him now

lud ,

Flying your own jet isn't better or worse than having someone else fly it.

But if his private jet is a normal private jet and not a small Cessna then yes he should stop flying it.

Jumuta ,
@Jumuta@sh.itjust.works avatar

why is everyone fixated on private jets lmao, it's prolly not a significant part of billionaires' footprint

Skyrmir ,

Pretty sure it's a campaign message. Throw lots of 'oh look Taylor is destroying the environment with her jet' noise around the interwebs to try and discredit her voice against Trump. It's a PR campaign designed by toddlers.

Geobloke ,

Put a carbon tax on jet fuel and use the proceeds to build better carbon neutral public infrastructure and she can fly as much as she wants for all I care

stanka ,

Unfortunately the target audience is also toddlers, so it is very effective.

starman2112 ,
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

The venn diagram of people concerned enough about the climate to dislike Taylor Swift and people who would ever vote Trump are two distant, distant circles

FlyingSquid ,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And yet, Trump voters just love the owner of an electric car company.

They care more about attacking than consistency.

Stovetop ,

It's not about Republicans caring about the climate, it's about delegitimizing Swift's statements against them. They can paint her as a hypocrite and drown out anything she has to say, basically.

spujb OP ,

every day i wake up and am sad that we live in a world where PR designed by toddlers works :(

theneverfox ,

No, it's a lot of their footprint. And it's entirely temporary - a mansion should last generations, but a flight on a jet is instant carbon with zero long term value

gmtom ,
@gmtom@lemmy.world avatar

It's actually by far the biggest part of her footprint.

Most people don't realise just how bad private jets are.

Pilgrim ,

I agree with the general idea here, but when I started following the Swift jet tracker after the Superbowl, I saw her make two flights that next day. Seems to me, some people are taking a whole hell of a lot while the rest of us are left with scraps.

iAmTheTot ,
@iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

Levying valid criticism on someone is not scapegoating. You can criticize more than one person for the same thing.

Geobloke ,

You can, but no one is

fhqwgads ,

No one memed on Elon when he shut down his tracker? Or Kylie Jenner for the 3 minute flight?

Annoyed_Crabby ,

Totally no one memed Jeff Bezos nor Zark Muckerberg nor Tonald Drump. No one.

Spiralvortexisalie , (edited )

Taylor has long had criticism for her jet use, the meme explosion is just about the media wanting to use her as hype prop while at the same time her team sued to shutdown the flight tracker kid. Posts that seem obsessed with possible damage to Taylor’s reputation sound like it is coming from a PR firm. Does Op genuinely believe that someone sees a Jet Meme and think differently of Taylor? Is Op against Taylor being the poster child for Aviation reform? I do not understand why an uninterested third party feels the need to prevent Taylor from suffering consequences of her actions merely because other heads should roll first.

ETA: I had to check if OP was a PR FIRM, check OP’s own response to Taylor Jet Memes: https://lemmy.cafe/comment/4651417

kautau ,

I agree with you but “lol maybe Taylor herself is a jet, that’s funny” is far from PR material

Spiralvortexisalie ,

I viewed it as an answer to my question “Does Op genuinely believe that someone sees a Jet Meme and think differently of Taylor?”, I only saw the post because I checked if it was PR firm.

spujb OP ,

thanks for your commentary.

  1. taylor swift absolutely should face the consequences for her actions. there is no good billionaire.
  2. these memes kicked off in 2022, and Swift reduced jet use (significantly, but not perfectly) in response, something i have never seen from any other individual. she is still worthy of criticism but i question if what she is getting is proportionate.
  3. it is now 2024. i am concerned to see that Fox News is using this debacle to discredit her (good and positive) call to increase voter participation.
Droggelbecher ,

She isn't getting the most hate because she is the worst offender, she is getting the most hate because she is the most famous and most beloved offender right now. People already hate the likes of Musk. Not saying this is the only reason and there's no sexism etc involved, but it certainly is part of it. And I'd argue if calling attention to rich people's environment sins, it's going to get more attention the more famous and well liked the offender is. It's 'yes ALL billionaires are bad, even the one who's likeable and pretty and makes good music and never says unhinged right wing stuff'.

gmtom ,
@gmtom@lemmy.world avatar

No one memed on Elon when he shut down his tracker?

Yes they did? When he announced he was buying twitter/everyone/ was miming on him because they knew he was buying it to shut down that account.

spraynpray ,

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    gmtom ,
    @gmtom@lemmy.world avatar

    No u.

    BluesF ,

    The only reason this has blown up is because she threatened that tracker with legal action. It's the Streisand effect 100%. The same shit happend when Elon Musk shut down the account that was tracking him.

    Geobloke ,

    Gee, it's almost like she's worried about stalkers or something. And I was on the net when elon tried it ands it wasn't like this

    beardown ,

    You're treating her better than Elon purely because she's a woman. That's sexism

    Geobloke ,

    Never said she was better. I am saying boys are treated differently to girls

    beardown ,

    You're saying it's valid and good for her to worry about stalkers. You are not saying the same about Elon. This is purely because she is a woman and he is a man. This is sexism.

    Women are not delicate flowers who need to be protected. Men are not tough monsters who do not need protecting.

    Billionaires are destructive enemies of humanity - gender doesn't affect that analysis

    LainTrain ,

    You are correct in entirety.

    Geobloke ,

    Lgbtiq have the same struggles as heterosexuals

    Coloured people have the same problems as whites

    Third world problems are the same as first world problems

    Go home mate you're cooked

    beardown ,

    ?

    spujb OP ,

    posting this once more for reach—
    this is a common misconception i am seeing, where people are getting the timeline reversed.

    The uptick in memes kicked off most significantly in December, and while, yes, the cease and desist was embarrassing fuel for the fire, there is no evidence that it was causal in any way.

    Odelay42 ,

    Objectively and demonstrably false

    starman2112 ,
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Have u ever seen anyone mention any billionaire on this platform?

    VaultBoyNewVegas ,

    Musk gets far worse said about him.

    Zehzin ,
    @Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

    Nice.

    Poppa_Mo ,

    This isn't wrong, but the uptick in these memes coincides ridiculously with Trumps recent desire to latch on to her name.

    The narrative is constantly being spun by these fucking goons.

    474D ,

    The uptick is due to her threatening legal action against the flight tracker dude and being all over TV for football this season. I find it hard to believe the trumpers give a shit about the environment. But I suppose they could hop on the bandwagon if it fits their "enemy"

    Stovetop ,

    They do give a shit about people who give a shit about the environment, at least.

    Following the whole Taylor Swift/Travis Kelce/Superbowl nonsense where conservatives were worried it would provide a platform for Swift to be more vocal about her opposition to Trump, this whole "scandal," if one can call it that, is mighty convenient in that it drowns out any other message she would have to say.

    Now if she says anything against Trump, anyone can just point to her jets and claim "Democrats are supposed to care about the environment, yet Taylor Swift can't stop flying everywhere in her two private jets. Is a hypocrite someone you should take political advice from?"

    spujb OP ,

    this is a common misconception i am seeing, where people are getting the timeline reversed.

    The uptick in memes kicked off most significantly in December, and while, yes, the cease and desist was embarrassing fuel for the fire, there is no evidence that it was causal in any way.

    474D ,

    Please show me an onslaught of memes even 1/10 comparable from December to this past month. I'll wait. Just because Trump is shit doesn't mean we stop criticizing others who are wrong as well, even if they are against him. Trump is a billionaire asshole, Swift is a billionaire asshole, neither gets a pass.

    spujb OP , (edited )

    will you actually change your position if i provide the requested information?

    because here you go. documentation of an onslaught of conspiracy memes tracing back to September 2023 but continuing into December. and, as you correctly note, it transitions to the airplane memes again in late January 2024.

    edit: make no mistake, i do not defend her. just clarifying the order in which things occurred. conservative anti-Swift sentiment was strong well before the Sweeney cease and desist, which provided the strong foundation for recent trends.

    474D ,

    Thank you for providing that first source with no mention of plane memes at all, which is the entire point of the conversation.

    spujb OP , (edited )

    i mean good news if you are looking for a significant numbers plane memes in December 2023 you are chatting with the choir lol. i don’t claim that those exist in any significant number at that time so i think there was some misunderstanding and we may agree on this point.

    my analysis is that a resurgence of plane memes arose out of pre-2024 conspiracy sentiment, to put it shortly. this is in parallel with Pappa_Mo’s comment. i hope we can recconnect and see eye to eye on this. because yeah i do agree that there was a 2024 uptick in memes, though i had originally worded it in a “fuel-to-the-fire” way, your wording is not wrong.

    474D ,

    I'm not denying that conservatives haven't targeted her. I'm saying she drew fire from both sides and it's not fair to write it off as just trumpers because she deserves flak from both sides with her shitty practices.

    spujb OP , (edited )

    okay excellent! i apologize for originally misunderstanding your position (other commenters have maintained that this is only, happening because of the Sweeny situation) and thanks for hearing me out. it seems we are fully in agreement.

    474D ,

    It seems so, have a good one, my dude.

    spujb OP ,

    likewise 😎

    blindsight ,

    The point is that the scapegoat is usually female. Why is Taylor Swift being singled out for her private jet use? Is it because her use is assumed to be less legitimate because she's a woman?

    A quick Internet search brought up this:

    Among the most polluting jets covered by the list was a Boeing 767 wide-body aircraft used by the Rolling Stones. It emitted an estimated 5,046 tonnes of CO2, the equivalent of someone taking 1,763 return flights from London to New York City in economy class.

    Aircraft owned by Lawrence Stroll, the billionaire owner of the Aston Martin Formula One team, recorded a combined 1,512 flights since the start of 2022. His private aircraft, including two helicopters, also made the most journeys of 15 minutes or less.

    Thirty-nine jets linked to 30 Russian oligarchs – including Roman Abramovich, Leonid Mikhelson and the recently deceased leader of the Wagner group, Yevgeny Prigozhin – were responsible for 30,701 tonnes of CO2 (equivalent to the total average carbon footprint of around 1,000 Russians).

    Source

    So, attacking billionaires who are abusing private jets is totally fair, in general, but always singing out the woman who does so is misogynistic.

    Where are the Rolling Stones or Laurence Stroll memes?

    iAmTheTot ,
    @iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

    There have been memes about lots of shit head billionaires. The Taylor Swift ones are popular right now because she Streisand'ed it by trying to get that tracker taken down.

    sneezycat ,
    @sneezycat@sopuli.xyz avatar

    I mean there was a Twitter account that followed Elon's jet and was banned. That was the first time I saw a big meme around billionaires using jets. And I'm pretty sure I've seen other people criticized for it too. I feel like the focus is on Taylor this time around, but it's just one of many. Although I'm not saying there's no mysoginy involved, but I don't think she's singled out if you think of a couple years timeframe.

    LainTrain ,

    The rolling stones are at least two people (corpses?) which makes their use (presumably to and from an elderly home) at least twice as efficient as taytay

    spujb OP , (edited )

    thank you for this! your link didn’t work for me but i think this is the one.

    and note that posting a taylor meme doesn’t make you misogynist—it just means you are playing into misogynist tropes and unfortunately giving freak MAGA propaganda a disproportionate platform.

    not here to call anyone out, just asking us to consider what effects our trends and memes have on the broader world.

    reric88 ,
    @reric88@beehaw.org avatar

    This changes everything

    1stTime4MeInMCU ,

    Thank you for saying this. I have nothing else to say but an upvote seemed insufficient!

    spujb OP ,

    thanks bestie 🫶

    recklessengagement ,

    I like this format for public address

    Your points have been heard and my opinion has been swayed

    spujb OP ,

    yo thanks :) take care 🫶

    arymandias ,

    The Taylor airplane meme has basically been played out and is no longer funny.

    But for me the reason I found those memes funny is the same why I find it more interesting to take the piss out of Bill Gates rather than Musk. Everyone already knows Musk is a complete nut job. But there seem to be an alarming amount of people that think Gates is genuinely a good person because of his stupid charity.

    From what I see Taylor Swift is just a business woman doing business, and she is very good at that. So most decisions she makes are because she assesses that they are good for her brand, and this includes political decisions/ standpoints. The airplane angle is one of the few things she can not control in this regard, and that is why I find/found it funny to stress that point.

    Cataphract ,

    The concept of the airplane meme might be loosing steam, but I enjoy the creative works and get thrilled when I see a new level added on. The airplane for bed, airplane for an airplane, it's the same category of humor in which I can find an Onion article entertaining even if I read a serious news article about the same subject.

    Pohl ,

    I’m not sure I fully understand the criticism to be perfectly honest. Is it actually possible to have a mega pop star of that type without them having a more intensive carbon footprint? Like she can’t really fly commercially for a lot of reasons. Tour schedules are one thing but can you imagine the scene it would make?

    Fame is really just letting one person, who we consider special for some reason, use the resources of many. They get to live an extravagant lifestyle and we get the cultural benefit their work.

    Bottom line: private jet travel seems to me like a requirement of her job. I’m not about to sit here and shame everyone for the carbon output that their job requires of them. She is not some capital class, passive income, leech. The lady works.

    FWIW, I don’t really think I could name or identify one of her songs. Everything I know about her is what bleeds through into my media sphere. She could be a real shitheal for all I know.

    kautau ,

    The issue isn’t that she has a private jet or uses it, it’s
    that it’s used for 13 minute flights.

    https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-private-jet-jack-sweeney-flights-1868272

    And also, that someone built software to show publicly available data on how inefficient the use of her jet is, and then her team threatened legal action against them

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/02/06/taylor-swift-jet-tracking-legal-threat/

    Her jet was 28 miles from it’s destination, the president of the United States still travels that destination by vehicle (granted it’s a motorcade) but still far more environmentally friendly than burning fossil fuels in a jet to hop over to the next airport

    Pohl ,

    Meh, sometimes I drive places a really should have walked. Same shit different scale. I am not moved to anger by this. Eliminate fame or accept that it’s resource intensive.

    iAmTheTot ,
    @iAmTheTot@kbin.social avatar

    different scale

    Yeah that's kind of the entire point.

    GnomeKat ,
    @GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Meh, sometimes I drive places a really should have walked.

    sounds like you are part of the problem

    wrath_of_grunge ,
    @wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social avatar

    really that depends on a number of factors. like how big the jet is, etc.

    some of those planes are pretty small.

    my friend and i worked with a guy for many years, that was also a pilot. he was a pretty frugal dude, but was fairly smart with his money. flying his small plane was a bit of a hobby for him. he owned a store location in the city we were in, but also had another store location about a hour/hour-and-half drive. sometimes he would take his plane, as it was actually cheaper and faster to go to the airport, get his plane prepped, fly out, do whatever he had to do, and fly back.

    undoubtedly he was using this as an excuse to fly his plane a bit. but i definitely know he wouldn't have been doing it if it was costing him any significant amount of money. he wasn't loaded, and was always about saving some money.

    HerbalGamer ,
    @HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works avatar

    ok but I don't think many billionaires are out there flying Cessnas to save a bit of money.

    theneverfox ,

    There's no way that was a jet. A jet is in an entirely different class than a little prop plane... It's like comparing a motorcycle to a tank

    ninpnin ,

    For the short trips, there's literally no reason not to have a car and a chauffeaur.

    Pohl ,

    How does car get to the place the jet landed? Another bigger jet full of cars? That’s how the presidential motorcade works. Seems really consumptive, but it’s one person who leads a nation of 350M, so it also doesn’t make me angry.

    ninpnin ,

    jesse what the fuck are you talking about

    VaultBoyNewVegas ,

    A swiftie who's being really fucking obtuse.

    wrath_of_grunge ,
    @wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social avatar

    different cars in different locations.

    for example if she flys into a airport on the Eastern side of the country, you'd just contract out a car there. many airports even have multiple car rental companies on site to handle such things. for more upscale stuff, there are usually smaller flight companies around the airport, and they handle all the details.

    you just fly the people in, they get the car at that location, and then drive to wherever they're going.

    in the case of musicians, if they're on tour they usually have busses they charter, along with large semi trucks to drive the gear and stage stuff.

    gmtom ,
    @gmtom@lemmy.world avatar
    How does car get to the place the jet landed?

    She rents one you smooth brain.

    Pohl ,

    Sigh…

    People who have enormous fame or import like miss swift can’t exactly travel public roads in an unmodified car from fucking Avis. Not only is fame a tremendous distraction on the road, but she is also a lightning rod for insane people who are known to be heavily armed.

    I mentioned the president’s motorcade because she has some of the same problems. She and the president share security problems you don't have. Those security problems have expensive and carbon intensive solutions. You’re not smarter than all the people who work on the problem. I promise.

    Now, before you start name calling on the internet why don’t you flip that dog’s breakfast of yours into the on position.

    gmtom ,
    @gmtom@lemmy.world avatar

    can’t exactly travel public roads in an unmodified car from fucking Avis

    Eye roll.....

    Yes they can and they do. I work for one of the big 3 and when I was an intern I had to do things like book travel for artists, including one of the biggest artists in the world, and they literally do just take an Addison Lee to the studio, or talk show or whatever they're doing.

    Taylor Swift doesnt need a fucking motorcade and we dont need to bend over backwards to accommodate pop starts like they're fucking royalty.

    Now please, take a moment before commenting on something you know literally nothing about to think if stating your irrelevant opinion as if its fact is worth anyones time reading it.

    TimewornTraveler ,

    How does car get to the place the jet landed? By... driving there? What's the confusion? Why are you so concerned that someone will John Lennon her yet Keanu Reaves can take the subway?

    Sprokes ,

    Few centuries ago special people (who have power) have slaves but things have changed. Maybe they shouldn't do concerts every week all over the world, they shouldn't fly over the country to assist to the opening of some store,....etc.

    You know things change and we should adapt.

    LainTrain ,

    Bleh, she's a brand, not a person, she doesn't work she's just a part owner of the brand, and celebrities need to be abolished anyway.

    ninpnin ,

    in response to public pressure, Swift recently cut back on private flights and downsized to one jet

    So the memes worked?

    Agent641 ,

    She donated one of her private jets to an underprivileged kid who didn't have any private jets.

    spujb OP ,

    yep! the memes worked over a year ago. see my sources below. my concern is that the memes are spiking now when the joke has already made a difference. again, this is all valid criticism in a vacuum! but i encourage folks to consider how much the MAGA crowd has latched onto Swift as their “female devil.”

    24 flights per month at the beginning of 2022

    12(ish) flights per month at the beginning of 2023 while she kicked off her massive eras tour

    ninpnin ,

    Recently or a year ago? I think both, as she did get of the other plane just a few weeks ago.

    spujb OP ,

    flights were reduced in early 2023. and you are correct that she got rid of one of the planes super recently. sorry for the confusion, hope this clarifies :)

    schnokobaer ,

    It's a valid criticism, I'm just wondering where 90% of those folks criticizing were the last 10 years, when it would have also been a valid criticism against her, but only a select group of people called it out and I recall precisely zero memes on this specific topic. Curious, that this has only become a mainstream meme now that there is a defamation campaign actively being conducted against her by right wing media.

    starman2112 ,
    @starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

    I think it more coincides with the legal threats against a person who was keeping track of her flights

    Deceptichum ,
    @Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Because most people don’t give a shit about her until she’s in the news and she was recently all over the news?

    I remember people making jokes about it last year on reddit too, so they only come up when she becomes relevant to most of us.

    I find the whole “you’re just criticising a billionaire because she’s a woman” angle or “it’s because right wing smear campaign” to be much more sus. Obvs some PR firm working overtime to frame negative remarks about her as something more sinister.

    Her, musk, and any other billionaire deserves to be eaten. No remorse for these shitscum.

    TheBat ,
    @TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

    Because most people don’t give a shit about her until she’s in the news and she was recently all over the news?

    Funny how fame works

    beardown ,

    All billionaires are evil. That includes all female billionaires

    gmtom ,
    @gmtom@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah it's almost like she did something recently that got her in the news about this.

    Something like sending a cease and desist letter to the kid that tracks her jet threatening bullshit legal action.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-08/taylor-swift-issues-cease-and-desist-to-student-tracking-jet/103440402

    DessertStorms ,
    @DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

    This is the issue, not criticising Swift in general.

    OP misses the mark in my eyes, not because the misogyny isn't fuelling the recent wave of criticism from the right (who couldn't give two fucks about emissions since they don't believe in climate change), but because it lumps all criticism of Swift together, valid or not, almost feeling like it's pro-Swift rather than being anti-misogyny, and fuck being pro Swift, and excusing any of her actions (downsizing from two jets to one isn't worthy of any praise nor defence, it's not like she can use both at once, and is still flying just as much).

    You can (and should) call out misogynists without defending the billionaire.

    spujb OP , (edited )

    thank you for your nuanced response :)

    i absolutely hear your qualms with my post and i wish i was a good enough rhetoricist to quell them, but i’ll just say i 100% am not in this to defend Swift. when the memes kicked off over a year ago in mid 2022 i found them really funny and rhetorically useful. she deserved the eyes on her that she got because it was proportionate to the damage she is causing.

    but now it’s 2024 and she has reduced flights by over half (depending on how you count), and it’s only now that the meme has really become fashionable? this is where i see the issue, that the collective ridicule for her is now disproportionate to the damage she is involved in.

    does she deserve the memes still? yeah totally. is she the very best option to meme among the dozens of celebrities and capital owners who do almost identically awful things? i personally don’t think so, not quite. is it concerning that MAGA folks have latched on to her now as evil for encouraging votes, citing CO2 emissions as though they had ever given a flying fuck about them? absolutely.

    summary: i have zero defense for Swift or her actions. it is impossible to become a billionaire without exploitation. but the window of peak rhetorical opportunity for these memes has passed by over a year and it’s very unlikely that beating this dead horse is going to make any further positive change in her behaviors. i’m here to encourage you to just see that, and make your own decisions from there.

    DessertStorms , (edited )
    @DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

    I appreciate you hearing me out and yeah, I've seen you around (in a non stalkery way lol) and you don't strike me as someone who would support her, but this one meme kinda does? But then, I'm looking at it from the very far left, it would absolutely hit home with a more liberal crowd, which is probably more the target audience, so it might be just right for that. 🤷‍♀️

    I guess it just feels icky to me to have to use she only uses one jet 3 times a day now as a positive thing, plus I have a very low tolerance for lib-coddling lol.. 😂(E: nothing against those who can take it for the sake of educating them, I just can't do it anymore, I'm blunt, and it's up to them to take it or leave it)

    LainTrain ,

    I always criticized her and every other ultra wealthy PoS. Celebrity culture needs to die off as it is anyway

    Napain ,

    yeah, they only meme about her because she is a threat to the maga crowd

    casual_turtle_stew_enjoyer , (edited )

    Wtf does this have to do with her gender? Are you claiming she does not top the charts in celebrity carbon emissions, but is being used as the scapegoat instead of a man?

    The Conservatives aren't attacking her because of her gender, it's because of their her influence. Misogyny has nothing to do with it, they'd do the exact same with any celebrity of any identity/orientation because they're influence conflicts with their agenda, not because of their gender.

    This smells a lot like ground-laying for radical feminist arguments, I can't find any other reason you would be here making a mountain out of an imaginary anthill. Moreover, I can't understand why anyone upvoting this would care to see a non-humorous PSA in a "hello fellow teens" vaporware frame on a surrealist/(whatever it's called) shitposting community unless it is meant to be satire.

    edit: gendered a pronoun to make it concise who the subject was

    LainTrain ,

    Exactly, this smells of TERF rhetoric.

    onewaymars ,

    Make memes about premier league (or any other sportsperson) footballers and see them cut back on their jet planes usage... NOT!

    spujb OP ,

    i endorse this message.

    AdmiralShat ,

    Is this because she's a woman or because she's a billionaire? I feel like we make fun of plenty of men too

    emptiestplace ,

    • I'm quite confident that, more often than not, women face greater challenges than men.

    • This post is fucking weird.

    AdmiralShat ,

    Yeah, I'm not doubting the validity of the statement that women definitely have hardships men don't, but I really feel like that's not why she's being memed.

    gmtom ,
    @gmtom@lemmy.world avatar

    It's because she's threatening to sue the guy that tracks the jet.

    deaf_fish ,

    She is getting this attention because some very powerful people, who benefit from producing a lot of greenhouse gases, would prefer that everyone be mad at T Swift instead of them.

    wildginger ,

    Tin foil hat take

    deaf_fish ,

    Looks like the oil company representative found me :)

    wildginger ,

    Its adorable you think swift sent lawyer threats at the request of an oil company

    deaf_fish ,

    I never said that. You should practice reading more. Don't worry tones of people have overcome illiteracy. I believe you can too.

    wildginger ,

    tones of people have overcome illiteracy

    What did they do about overcoming irony?

    Shes getting this attention for the same reason musk got it. She sent legal threats to someone legally pointing out public data about wasteful private flights.

    Theres no secret cabal of oil magnates puppeteering internet memes. She is being mocked for trying to threaten someone over public info of her wastefulness.

    deaf_fish ,

    Yeah, I agree, I think some of this is due to the streisand effect. And I think T Swift is dumb for trying to sue that reporter. But Elon got way less shit than this when he tried to silence the reporter tracking his flights.

    As for the secret cabal of oil magnates, your right, they don't exist. There is a public cabal of oil magnates. They have done several astroturfing campaigns in the past that are now well documented.

    wildginger ,

    ...... Elon got so much shit for this he directly contacted the former twitter CEO to try and get the guy banned, and has privately said it was one of the driving factors behind his initial bluff at buying twitter, so your conspiracy theory is yet again slapped down by reality

    deaf_fish , (edited )

    A quick Google shows that Elon finalized the Twitter purchase in October of 2022 and the Elon jet Twitter thing started in December.

    Was there another jet tracking incidents with Elon? Otherwise, it seems like you're confused about the order of things.

    Edit: Turns out I had a Google fail. The December date was a second account at the journalist created. My information is not correct here.

    wildginger ,

    Uh my guy

    "Musk had also unsuccessfully petitioned Agrawal [CEO of Twitter at the time] to remove a Twitter account that was tracking his private plane,"

    "The billionaire started buying Twitter shares shortly after Agrawal denied his request."

    This took me 10 seconds to find.

    deaf_fish ,

    Ah, I messed up. I should have dug deeper instead of reading the google summary. This is what I found on Wiki:

    On December 22, 2022, Sweeney started the new @ElonJetNextDay Twitter account

    But...

    "the handle @elonjet.[10]

    The Twitter account, created in June 2020, "

    Sorry about that, I trusted too much in googles summary.

    Was there a lot of meming about this on twitter when it was happening, or did Elon see like one or two memes and decide to buy twitter?

    Clbull ,

    I mean it's hilarious that we pilloried Elon Musk for trying to sue someone for tracking his private jet with publicly available records and posting this online, but the same people are defending Taylor Swift for doing the same.

    I don't think it's a gender bias so much as it's a bias towards people we don't like.

    prole ,
    @prole@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Do you have a list of people that you're cross-checking to make sure they're the same? Because you know how the internet works right? Those were likely not the same people.

    In my opinion, they both have the right to challenge this, so there's nothing wrong with her doing that. Second, conservatives are currently foaming at the mouth to do harm to this woman, so I really cannot blame her for feeling unsafe. Musk is just a crybaby.

    wildginger ,

    Thinking rich people have the right to threaten people for knowing and stating public information is such a bonkers take. Thats like calling organ donors unethical.

    selokichtli ,

    It's like saying people did it with Elon Musk because he is African.

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