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keyez ,

Same with FIFA or EA SPORTS FC. So double whammy to switch to linux

Cold_Brew_Enema ,

League is cancer. This meme is accurate.

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Which one has the better stock performance?

Quill7513 ,
@Quill7513@slrpnk.net avatar

Linux and its not even close...

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

What's Linux's market cap?

2023 revenue?

rbos ,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

I mean, IBM and Redhat and Amazon and Azure...

Troll

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I didn't think of that, my apologies.

zalgotext ,

Linux isn't a company you waffle

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

I'd facefuck a plate of waffles right now if you know what I'm saying.

zip ,

That's understandable

Quill7513 ,
@Quill7513@slrpnk.net avatar

If those are the performance metrics you care about you're probably not thinking about personal computing. In which case, in business terms, Linux is 100% the elephant in the room of cloud computing

SatansMaggotyCumFart ,

Does it run Fortnite?

ColdWater ,
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I really wanna switch to Linux so bad because of windows 10 support is ending soon and windows 11 suck ass I especially hate chatgpt and edge and boring desktop environment and sloppy navigation around the os and inconsistent design and everything else really, the only reason I use computer is games and a bit of documents editing but I lose half of my fps when I played on Linux which is a big deal when all I have is a potato laptop, hopefully by the time windows 10 ended support gaming on Linux will be at least 80% of the windows performance

WarmSoda ,

Damn they're ending support next year: October 14, 2025. I thought it would continue a few more years.

grue ,

the only reason I use computer is games and a bit of documents editing but I lose half of my fps when I played on Linux which is a big deal when all I have is a potato laptop

You might be using the wrong driver or something. Usually Linux has at least comparable framerates to Windows, if not faster.

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

No it's not, I have low end Ryzen apu I used both AMD pro and amdgpu driver and I still lose 40-60% of the performance

Quill7513 ,
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What distro were you using? This sounds like a possible Wayland issue

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

It's Endeavour OS

ryannathans ,

Don't manually install any drivers, the ones in the kernel by default are ideal. Maybe a power related setting like cpu governor. Newer dxvk versions don't have the shader compilation lag that previously existed either

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

I used Endeavors OS out of the box driver and manually install driver, this is my post relating to this issue https://lemmy.ca/post/15927798

AdamBomb ,

FWIW I had to install newer drivers from a PPA because the latest stable Mint didn’t support my RX 7900 XT.

ryannathans ,

Shouldn't be a problem anymore, was only an issue with firmware when the card was super new

AdamBomb ,

This was literally last week

ryannathans ,

What version of mint? Why are they so incredibly behind? Hasn't been an issue on other distros for like a year

Quill7513 ,
@Quill7513@slrpnk.net avatar

Mints default channel is based on Ubuntu LTS

ryannathans ,

So is my distro pop os 22.04, no issues

Quill7513 ,
@Quill7513@slrpnk.net avatar

Pop!_os ships with specific kernel tweaks to make it play nicer with GPUs

ryannathans , (edited )

In this case looks like they just go to the basic effort of updating the linux-firmware package

Quill7513 ,
@Quill7513@slrpnk.net avatar

Applause to them, even if that's all they're doing. For personal computing you can basically always count on Pop!_os to work no matter your hardware configuration (within reason, 32-bit machines aren't really something you need to consider anymore)

AdamBomb ,

The latest LTS, currently 21.3

jyte ,

Usually Linux has at least comparable framerates to Windows, if not faster.

CS2 beg to differ.

bort ,

windows 11 suck ass I especially hate chatgpt

🤔

Lumelore ,
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I switched to Linux a few months ago after building a new computer as I didn't feel like paying over $100 for an OS that has ads in the start menu and spammy popups.

Almost all of my games work fine and don't have any issues with lag. The exception is GTA V which doesn't work at all and Sims 4 which works fine but EA's launcher has given me a few issues.

You shouldn't have any issues with document editing or web browsing. In my experience printing actually works better on Linux than it did for me on Windows.

If you want you could dual boot or keep an old windows system around to play games that aren't working on Linux, but in my experience, most games, especially indie games, work just fine on Linux.

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

Dualboot could work, I tried it before and didn't go very well I might give it another chance, by the way does online games with anti cheat that works on Linux under wine will that get me ban?

TheCheddarCheese ,
@TheCheddarCheese@lemmy.world avatar

Pretty sure that depends on the anticheat they're using, could you provide a name?

ColdWater ,
@ColdWater@lemmy.ca avatar

It's just a local shooting game, I think it use easy anti cheat

TheRedSpade ,

GTA V which doesn't work at all

YMMV. Works out of the box on the deck and I don't remember having any problems with it on arch.

anon5621 ,

Yesterday played in it.Pirated one version works fine since it's doesn't relay on any laucher ;)

Moody ,

You can literally just download Windows for free from the Microsoft site.

Lumelore ,
@Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Yeah I know. Still have to pay for license though unless you like having the activate windows watermark in the corner.

mlg ,
@mlg@lemmy.world avatar

Trying not to be one of those "but did you try" replies, but personally, I would run Fedora xfce spin to see if anything changes.

Cutting edge kernel modules + minimal X11 DE will rule out stupidity from Wayland and make it easier to try some different settings.

AMD is supposed to work out of box, but I've heard there are some quirks with certain GPUs in which you may need to set some kernel flags.

Ex: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/how-to-install-amd-graphics-driver-on-fedora-36/74052/5

lemmybereal ,

This is exactly the reason I am going to install linux on my main Desktop, crazy coincidence of this meme. The temptation to play that addicting game is sometimes hard to resist. In linux I am more inclined to spend my time on stuff I learn from.

PyroNeurosis ,

Get off that high horse: linux can still run DotA 2.

sheogorath ,

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

flashgnash ,

And overwatch

UnfortunateShort ,

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think you can run LoL on Linux

AppleMango ,

Yes, there are versions of WINE and Proton that are specific to running LoL, but it's still somewhat of a headache to get running.

Evil_Shrubbery ,

And then the headache of having LoL on your computer/life.

dwindling7373 ,

It's literally one click on Lutris.

AppleMango ,

Might be one click to install it, but it doesn't immediately start working after that, at least according to what I've seen. WINE and Proton work well in general, but I've seen problems when it comes to LoL specifically.

dwindling7373 ,

Not in my experience. Some patch are easier than other I guess.

Grappling7155 ,

Supposedly there is a way using a macOS emulator, since Vanguard hasn’t been ported to macOS yet

SorryQuick ,

Which I believe doesn’t work on all GPUs.

GlitterInfection ,
steal_your_face ,
@steal_your_face@lemmy.ml avatar

Great*

A_Very_Big_Fan ,

Depending on how you look at it, that is what he said

In German, "gross" = "great"

DacoTaco ,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Im still waiting on them deploying it. I have a windows installation that does not boot using uefi, and therefor can not run vanguard. So when they deploy it its finally bye bye league after 14 years haha

DudeImMacGyver ,
@DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works avatar

14 years

I'm so sorry...

jyte ,

Holly shit, after looking things up it's even worse than I thought...

Playing Valorant will need to enable TPM 2.0 and secure boot under windows 11 OS, you have to check that your motherboard is support TPM 2.0 system. (NOTE: If your system unable to support TPM2. 0, the only way that you can play Valorant is change your windows to older version as windows 10.)

Damn, Riot effectively turning PC into console...

DacoTaco ,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Yup!

Johanno ,

There is a youtube video about how even with the "best" anti cheat valorant has a huge cheating community. They are using ardruinos and secondary pcs to ai recognise the other players and simulate a mouse input via usb. (this is the high end cheating with a high cost) and even simple anti recoil scripts are possible without extra hardware.

Edit: https://youtu.be/RwzIq04vd0M?si=4-iedk11nU6W7wUu

Burghler ,

It's not rolled out yet so currently still yes you can run n play it on Linux

Vespair ,

I will never understand why so many people were just okay accepting all this invasive bullshit like Vanguard. There's so many games I just can't even consider because I refuse to implicitly tell game companies their unchecked behavior like this is acceptable.

These are fucking video games; there is no goddamn reason a glorified toy should have root or kernel-level access. It's wild to me the amount people who will accept anything, no questions asked.

I'm sure Hell Divers is fun, but it ain't worth it to me to find out.

dotMonkey ,

I accept it if it means removing most cheaters from the game. Most people do.

Vespair ,

Cheating sucks but a- people are still cheating in these games, b- there are just as effective anti-cheat strategies that don't require invasive access, c- cheating in a literal GAME is not enough of a real world issue to sacrifice real world privacy

Specal ,

Used to be able to before vanguard. When I used SolusOS as my main OS it used to run better than on windows... Apart from the client but that didn't matter too much

Potatos_are_not_friends ,

Brb gonna make a commit to core to break LoL.

DmMacniel ,

Oh they already activated Vanguard for League of Legends? Because before that it could run under linux.

Sneptaur ,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

They announced it like a month ago, they could have flipped the switch by now. LoL was always a pain to get working anyway

DmMacniel ,
SorryQuick ,

It still runs, for the time being

GiveOver ,

Not just yet, they've been pushing it back repeatedly. Currently has a limited rollout in the Philippines. My Windows 11 PC can't run Vanguard so I'm just waiting to be kicked off any day now

EdibleFriend ,
@EdibleFriend@lemmy.world avatar

Okay you nerds definitely have a point on this one

tux0r ,

OpenBSD:

  • does not run systemd

Conclusion:
OpenBSD wins

Hexagon ,

My pocket calculator: does not run anything

Conclusion: my pocket calculator wins. Always

negativenull ,
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root_beer ,

5318008

iiGxC ,

It runs calculations. Abacus wins again

Darkenfolk ,

Haha fools behold my pet rock, it never runs anything or anywhere.

hemko ,

Square block of concrete weighting 1 metric ton:
Doesn't support throwing it with human power

Conclusion: square block of concrete weighting 1 metric ton wins

joyjoy ,

Wasn't a big reason some people don't like systemd because it didn't run on FreeBSD?

silliewous ,

I thought all systemd haters would have died by now due to old age. At this rare chance, I have a question: How did it feel to live together with actual dinosaurs?

nightwatch_admin ,

Calm down Lennart. Also, upstart was better and not ancient.

moonpiedumplings ,

Upstart was better, but even Ubuntu, who was by the creators of upstart (Canonical) decided to switch to systemd after using upstart for a bit?

nightwatch_admin ,

Yeah, I don’t know why. Upstart really was better.

moonpiedumplings ,

What made it better?

tux0r ,

Because it was a shameless copy of SMF which is also great.

Bo7a ,

I finally gave up the hate and embraced the poeterring-ing a few years ago. Can confirm I de-aged by 15 years as a result.

TheCheddarCheese ,
@TheCheddarCheese@lemmy.world avatar

Why do people hate systemd anyway? I'm not that tech-savvy but I've always used it and I don't recall ever having a problem with it

nickwitha_k , (edited )

I think it's largely a combination of curmudgeons that hate change and people who are strict Unix ideologues. systemd, while being objectively better in many ways is a monolith that does more than one thing. This violates some of the Unix program philosophies (small programs that do one thing). The truth is that the script-based inits were terrible for dependency management, which is something that systemd explicitly addresses and is probably one of its greatest strengths, IMO.

EDIT: Corrected capitalization.

msage ,

It's the main strength, and for that it deserves praise.

For the feature creep that goes into it, and everything hard requiring systemd stuff (way beyond just the init system) just to start, no thanks.

nickwitha_k ,

That's very fair. Having managed system services for custom application stacks with hard dependencies on one another, that strength is worth it to me.

I don't mean to come across as saying that the Unix philosophy is wrong. Just horses for courses. Systems where there is a likelihood of interdependent daemons should probably consider systemd. Where that's not an issue or complexity is low, more Unix-like inits can still be a solid choice because of their limited scoping and easy modification.

msage ,

Again, init system is OK.

Suddenly logind, networkd, resolvd, timesyncd, and every other systemd subsystem is way too much inside the one supposed init system.

jyte ,

On a side note, it's systemd, no damn uppercase D at the end.

nickwitha_k ,

Good point. Fixed.

black0ut ,
@black0ut@pawb.social avatar

It's slow and heavy, and it does too many things. It's a monolithic piece of code so big it's getting too difficult to maintain, so it has more vulnerabilities than other alternatives. It's also taking over the whole system, to the point where Linux systems will soon be Systemd/Linux instead of GNU/Linux.

It's also developed and funded mainly by Microsoft, which is also something people don't really like. Microsoft are trying to make it similar to Windows in some ways, which makes it way more difficult to debug random errors.

And it doesn't follow the UNIX guidelines, which is just the cherry on top.

Sneptaur ,
@Sneptaur@pawb.social avatar

Systemd is good actually

grue ,

OpenBSD loses because it's permissively-licensed instead of copyleft.

tux0r ,

I guess you use blob-free Linux-libre then?

msage ,

I run Gentoo with OpenRC.

Still need some systemd stuff for some software :|

black0ut ,
@black0ut@pawb.social avatar

I run Void with runit.

I've tried to completely avoid systemd, and so far I think I've managed. It's still a pain in the ass, because a lot of software depends on it.

As an upside, startup time on my old lappy went from 2+ minutes on barebones Arch with systemd to just under 40 seconds on Void with runit.

msage ,

I don't even care about the boot times.

Perhaps because I don't use DEs my PCs boot up quickly, and servers aren't supposed to be rebooted outside their maintenance windows. So why would I care about pArAlLeL bOoTiNg.

Oh well, I'm just an old man yelling at clouds.

black0ut ,
@black0ut@pawb.social avatar

The thing about parallel booting is it's only faster in systems with lots of cores, and the overhead of the parallelized code is sometimes enough to negate the benefits in older processors.

My machine is a Core 2 Duo lappy, which allows me to run most modern programs cheaply. However, it's slow (even though I don't use DEs either), and laptops are the kinds of computers you boot multiple times a day. That's why I care about boot times. And in this case, you can see that booting with a parallelized init system is slower than booting with a "regular" one.

Yeah, Systemd might be the new fad, but I still believe there are lots of things to learn from the simple init systems. After all, an init system should only focus on initializing a system, and it shouldn't be as complex and complicated as Systemd is.

I might be just another old man yelling at clouds. But hey, that makes two of us now.

msage ,

Yeah, I get you.

Though perhaps in such use-case it would do better with sleep states than poweroffs.

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