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pivot_root ,

2024 is going to be the year of the Linux Desktop enshittification. When anything you love goes public, you won't be loving it for much longer.

xavier666 ,
@xavier666@lemm.ee avatar

And thus begins "why isn't the profit line going up?" phase of the company

Reverendender ,
@Reverendender@sh.itjust.works avatar

At faster growth rates each quarter!

brsrklf ,

Just growth isn't enough, we have to make sure our growth rate itself is growing!

Keep differentiating that shit forever!

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Nope, it has been ongoing since 2013. From Adobe stopping physical sales of Creative Suite, to the Xbox One being announced, to Apple flattening iOS to the point of it looking like ass, the enshittification has started at this point in time. And their excuse was to be "more modern", my ass.

fluxc0 ,

eh, i actually like flat design. just me, though.

Resol ,
@Resol@lemmy.world avatar

Good for you.

todd_bonzalez ,

Eh, the only thing that made RPi better than the alternatives was the size of the community and the amount of testing done for their hardware.

RIP.

Looking forward to whatever SBCs the community migrates to in the next year or so.

Excrubulent ,
@Excrubulent@slrpnk.net avatar

The new ones are power hungry expensive monsters anyway. There are cheaper clones out there and I had pretty much decided never to pay for the gucci brand anymore.

thatsnothowyoudoit ,
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I’ve had lots of fun with the very affordable Pi Zero 2w. Will pick up a few more before they disappear.

Valmond ,

Can you hook up a screen to those and run python?

thatsnothowyoudoit ,
@thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca avatar

Yes indeed.

The last project I did with one was build a moon and tide clock - all written in python with a motor controller, external display and individually addressable led lighting.

They’re also great as diy audio streaming devices for whole home audio.

Valmond ,

Excellent! The (cheap) i96 pi had all but a video output so I never got it to work...

Cool project, how do you display the tide (upcoming, there, outgoing etc)? Do you have some battery to the clock or how do you set the date/time?

Edit : is it some sort of regular python (3?) or some tiny-python?

Edit2: no ethernet 😭?

Reverendender ,
@Reverendender@sh.itjust.works avatar

Well, so much for that I guess

mesamunefire ,

Yeah its really too bad. I used to love the company but now I just don't see them making things for hobbies. Anyone know of some good alternatives? Ive heard good things about lepotato?

Reverendender ,
@Reverendender@sh.itjust.works avatar

I had so many ideas for things we could use these for that completely revolutionize what is now a terrible user experience. No idea how to implement on these ideas, but it's a start I guess.

CaptainSpaceman ,

Arduinos all the way down I guess

youRFate ,

Lattepanda mu is apparently a very powerful alternative.

huginn ,

Yeah but most rpi projects don't need a powerful alternative. I don't need a full computer to run octoprint... But it's still too hard and pricy to get a RPi

corodius ,

Bigtreetech's btt pi is quite good for printer use - and general use tbh, but it is geared towards printers

bluGill ,

They were never about hobbies. We were a niche that they were happy to have, but they never cared. Origionally it was about education (which has a large overlap with hobbies so they served well).

Alk ,

Libreboard

Spider89 ,

OrangePI

TrickDacy ,

I had one and returned it. The hardware was good but the software was total ass

nossaquesapao ,

The official ones are a mess, but depending on your needs, you can use armbian. It supports orange pi boards, and is a nice and up to date distro.

TrickDacy ,

My guess is that I tried 6 or more OSes on it. Like 2 would run at all, and in every case there kept being a lot of issues. It felt like it was hardware no one cares about supporting except one dude who made a version of Ubuntu for it. The whole damned experience was janky AF.

Got a RPi 5 and was able to get Arch running on it and it feels faster despite being objectively slower than the OPi

Landless2029 ,

That's the biggest issue. Support.

Most of the success of the RPi is due to rasparian and community support.

XTL ,

Never take software from a hardware company.

https://www.armbian.com/download/

TrickDacy , (edited )

I sank a ton of time trying to get several OSes running on it, including that one, with almost no luck. Out of the few that even did run, there were always piles of issues. You assumed I only meant the official OSes but I didn't.

RedditRefugee69 ,

Out of ignorance I literally thought this was a joke. “Orange you glad I didn’t say raspberry?”

Interstellar_1 ,
@Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Orange or banana pi

lanolinoil ,
@lanolinoil@lemmy.world avatar

Do arduino stuff or look up chips with those cortexm0 arm processors. Like these: https://www.adafruit.com/product/3403

ikidd ,
@ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

Radxa for RISC-V SBCs with GPIO.

uninvitedguest ,
@uninvitedguest@lemmy.ca avatar

Have a couple boards and the software support leaves a lot to be desired. Armenian is a godsend, but sadly cannot fill every gap.

InFerNo ,

I have been using Odroid boards for many years. I currently have 3 C4 boards and 1 older C1 board. My kids use them as their computer in their rooms. Hardkernel is the company behind the boards, they also provided the official Home assistant blue devices that came pre installed with HASS.

DontMakeMoreBabies ,

Oh! Great idea - kid's computer. I'll be stealing that for my next project. Thank you!

RedstoneValley ,

I'm using a lepotato for Home Assistant. Works very well for months now, but I'm a bit worried about long term distro support

Croquette ,

The pandemic shortage marked the end of the RPi as a hobbyist board. All the stock when to companies, and every hobbyist shop jacked the prices, and scalpers even more.

Blue_Morpho ,

Any N300 based PC is under $200, tiny, low watts, faster than a Pi5, and can run any distro because it's a regular PC.

ultratiem ,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

I honestly never thought I’d see this day. It’s like announcing Linux just went closed source!

problematicPanther ,
@problematicPanther@lemmy.world avatar

So that settles it. I have to get one now before they enshittify the new models.

rmuk ,

Bu- bu- but... it's got AI.

Aux ,

People were asking for ML/AI accelerator to replace Coral for a very long time.

elucubra ,

The 5 is already somewhat enshittified. The Non Standard USB power that makes you buy a propietary PS is one example (which I found out after buying one for my son).

Manzas ,

That is due to power reasons ,but they could have just underclocked it by default.

DacoTaco ,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

What is the power reason if i may ask?

Manzas ,

I dunno maybe cpu? Really it is actually stupid why didn't they just make it optional.

DacoTaco ,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

Tbh, i cant make an opinion without technical details :')

Adanisi ,
@Adanisi@lemmy.zip avatar

I don't buy it. USBC can deliver quite a lot of power

Manzas ,

Wait is it locked to the official charger?

DacoTaco ,
@DacoTaco@lemmy.world avatar

I agree. Pi5 apparently uses 5v@5A max, which is outside the usbc-pd specs. Not sure why they didnt go for usbc-9v in and use onboard components to convert the power to something lower for cpu ( which i assume it already does from 5v )

bane_killgrind ,

Maybe those packages are bulky or something.

problematicPanther ,
@problematicPanther@lemmy.world avatar

Ew

JusticeForPorygon ,
@JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world avatar

So on an unrelated note, what's the best alternative available right now?

737 ,

Radxa

interdimensionalmeme ,

They have a great line up. So Milk-V duo is cool but really a lower class lower prive device

Valmond ,

Maybe Orange PI.

StaySquared ,

Honestly... when I was doing my research, for the power consumption and the flexibility of Raspberry Pi, nothing came close to it, at least not at the time (2016). Since then, I've never even bothered to look at it's competition.

bane_killgrind ,

Gotta buy a share just so I can write angry shareholder letters

Stitch0815 ,

Friendship ended with raspberry pi
Now
Pine 64 is my new best friend

wafflez ,

Can you use pine 64 in the same way as a RPi?

XTL ,

Broadly yes, as a "user".

Stitch0815 ,

Yes(ish)
They are not yet as powerful as RPi.
But if you have a low power usecase then yes.

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Rockchip processors is where it's at these days. Every pi alternative runs an RK3566 or RK3568

For true open source it's gotta be RISCV instead of ARM. Bbut it might be too early days for that.

Stitch0815 ,

Yeah I mean Pine64 produces RISCV boards

Linkerbaan ,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Oh I didn't know that. I was familiar with Scifive for higher end RiscV stuff, and MilkV for the cheaper and midrange boards.

ozymandias117 ,

The RK3588 is pretty nifty, and is the first Mali GPU (610) where ARM themselves have contributed the firmware upstream and have helped with Collabora with Panfrost development

Bleeding edge, still, but kernel 6.10 and Mesa 24.1 have GPU support

HDMI TX and DSI/CSI are still in-progress

hamsterkill ,

Anyone used Beagleboards?

ResoluteCatnap ,

They've already gone downhill since 2020 when they couldn't keep up with the demand and focused on B2B sales. This really isn't a surprise to me

fatalError ,

I thought they started from the idea of creating an affordable device mostly for people that need and can't afford a proper computer... I guess money gave them amnesia

ResoluteCatnap ,

They did, and they still have the rpi foundation with that goal, as well as the for-profit subsidiary.

It's a flaw with effective altriusm-- you have a goal of fixing some large scale problem and at some point you realize you need large amounts of capital to expand your impact. But the interim period you are just going to be amassing wealth with this idea of doing good. And even then, you may never reach a point where you feel like you earned enough to solve your problem. I.e sam bankman fried

Now I'm not saying that rpi foundation hasn't done good in the world. I'm just saying that they did start off with a lofty goal and it is clear that they are wanting to expand and make more money. Maybe this means someday they'll be able to do even greater things through the rpi foundation.... but I'm not optimistic

fatalError ,

I have to say I haven't looked into RPI history, I only remember a video where they were marketing a device that is affordable and very much suitable for learning programming, mostly aimed at kids.
Remembering that and seeing them now on the exchange kinda leads to a contradiction in my mind. Especially since a year ago you couldn't even buy a device if you had the money, let alone if you couldb't afford one as they intended at the beginnings.

JasonDJ ,

I mean, the market did what the market does.

They released a device with the intent of being a tinker kit for programming and interacting with the physical world. The next technological jump for hobbyists from PIC to Arduino, became an ARM SBC.

Of course, they released a cheap ARM SBC, and industry quickly learned that these are great for rapid prototyping and any case that called for a small low-power Linux system.

I wouldn't say they lost their way. There's still a great hobbyists market around it, and tons of good competition. I'd say it's more like they are a victim of their own success.

samus12345 ,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

The 3B was a far superior alternative to the NES Classic I couldn't get at the time (and taught me what little I know about Linux - I even got a lesson in sudo one time when a command wouldn't work). o7

daniskarma ,

I'm glad they came out as what they already were.

It was clear that they did not feel as a non-profit foundation for many years now.

Toribor ,
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For months it was impossible for me to get any Pis at MSRP and then my employer suddenly bought 30 of them to use for signage around the office. That's when I knew the non-profit hobbyist/enthusiast org was gone.

I'm not worried about it though. In the meantime a lot of other stellar SBCs have emerged on the market.

ZombieBait ,

Which would you recommend any as the best Pi replacement?

Toribor ,
@Toribor@corndog.social avatar

Honestly I still haven't had a chance to try them out myself so I can't make a specific recommendation but that market has been exploding recently. I have a sort of nice problem where people keep gifting me their Raspberry Pi's once they aren't sure what to do with them so I keep accumulating them without trying.

That being said, the big ones I've had my eye on lately are things like the Odroid N2+, the Jetson Nano, the Rock Pi or the Banana Pi. Some of these cater more towards being integrated into projects that need a lot of GPIO, others are focused on just being a low cost low power headless server or thin client.

The SBC market seems healthy enough that by the time I need another SBC I'll have a lot of options. Biggest loss is just that having one extremely popular hobbyist board made it really easy to find solutions to issues in the community and now there is just a lot more variety out there.

Aux ,

You couldn't buy anything in retail because of scalpers. British shops decided to stop scalpers, so would only sell to existing customers who bought Pis before shortages. So, for example, I had no issues getting 3 more Pis. But if you would make a brand new account you'd see them out of stock permanently. This system worked like a charm! But they should've done it earlier.

todd_bonzalez ,

Raspberry Pi Holdings has always been a for-profit company. This isn't some sort of new news with them going public.

The Raspberry Pi Foundation is a separate organization that has not gone public and continues to operate as a nonprofit. In fact, the IPO was structured to raise some funds for the foundation's global impact fund.

I am not saying that the IPO is a good thing, in fact I'm pretty certain it isn't, but it's worth knowing that Raspberry Pi is two different organizations with two different missions.

Crashumbc ,

One is a tax shelter for the other got it.

laurelraven ,

Ew.

Reverendender ,
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samus12345 ,
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Sabata11792 ,
@Sabata11792@ani.social avatar

F

Time comes for us all.

Swarfega ,

Loved the Pi for hosting small services around the house. I've just replaced my Pi4 with a N100, 16GB, 512GB SSD mini pc which is so much faster, not to mention cheaper than a Pi5.

bonnetbee ,

Can you compare power consumption to the Pi 4? Just an estimate, double, tripple,..

fatalError ,

I have a dell wyse 5070 with a j4105 cpu that runs home assistant with frigate and z2m around 3-5W with a bluetooth and zigbee stick attached. If more processing is needed it will boost to 15w for example during docker container updates, but it will also perform much better in these situations than the PI does.
It costed me ~85€ from a refurbish shop and even had 1 year warranty. It came with 4gb ram, 128gb ssd, power supply and case ofc. It was a no brainer at the time when just the PI4 alone was like 80€ for 4 gb ram version if you could find it in stock. And that didn't include case, power supply or sd card.

Swarfega ,

Indeed this. Plus my minipc has dual ethernet which is handy as I run Proxmox and use the second nic for migration traffic.
The mini pc is way better than the Pi for my usage.

Grippler ,

Not sure what a pi4 uses, but my NUC (16gb ram, 1tb NVME, quad core i3 up to 2.4ghz) running my smart home (HA in a VM) and a few other small services in LXCs uses ~7W on average. Loads more compute power if I need it at half the price. Even if a pi4 draws half the power, that's only $8 saving per year.

MehBlah ,

Shit. I guess my or anyone else's loyalty hasn't mattered. I've bought two competing products during the drought and now we are going to have maximum suckage from them since the investors will be driving the bus now. How long before they intentionally hold back functionality and hide it behind some bullshit subscription?

Sloogs ,

Outside of a few small local businesses that actually care about doing right by people, loyalty hasn't mattered for decades dude. Companies don't give a shit about any of us. Why even bother thinking in terms of loyalty, it's completely misaligned with how they operate.

Holzkohlen ,

RIP

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