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    Buffalox ,

    Despite the recent slow sales, Boeing still has a huge backlog of over 5,600 orders

    I wonder what those orders are? They could be mainly orders for extra bolts.

    Flipper ,

    Not sure if this is serious. Boeing and Airbus are booked with orders for the next several years. They both could not get a single new order and would have work to do for the next half decade.

    14th_cylon ,

    Not sure if this is serious.

    if you are really not sure whether this:

    They could be mainly orders for extra bolts.

    is serious, then i recommend to not attempt crossing a street without supervision 😜

    breadsmasher ,
    @breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

    its a valid question.

    “Are they orders for whole planes, or for anything boeing might produce such as bolts?”

    Does that simplify it for you? Careful crossing the streets

    Crashumbc ,

    They are for whole planes. As these sales figures always are.

    FYI same goes for car sales.

    14th_cylon , (edited )

    its a valid question.

    no, it is not.

    do you really think that article talking about number of ordered planes suddenly switched to number of spare parts? does that sound logical to you? if you don't recognize such obvious sarcasm, you really shouldn't try to deliver burns to others, you'll just burn yourself in the process.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_and_deliveries

    long story short: the numbers mean whole aircraft. i hope it is simple enough for you.

    https://lemm.ee/api/v3/image_proxy?url=https%3A%2F%2Fartistdetective.wordpress.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F09%2Fsarcastic_ai_by_tom_gauld.jpg

    breadsmasher ,
    @breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

    Took that real personally, huh

    Hildegarde ,

    Several years is an understatement. At current rates of production it will take at least 14 years to fulfill all orders.

    brbposting ,

    TIL me & the boys should be building sky birds

    cm0002 ,

    for extra bolts.

    Extra self sealing stem bolts probably

    PlasticExistence ,

    I would trust the Ferengi more than Boeing executives at this point.

    TheGrandNagus ,

    And so you should. Our products are of the highest quality.

    MrGG ,

    100 gross of self sealing stem bolts!

    bulwark ,

    Boeing is the industry in the military-industrial-complex. Commercial jetliners are an ancillary product for them.

    CaptainPedantic ,

    No, their airlines are not an ancillary product. They are their main product. According to Boeing's earnings reports, the commercial aircraft segment of the company made up 56% of total revenue in 2018, 42% in 2019, 27% in 2020, 30% in 2021, 38% in 2022, and 43% in 2023. The rest of their revenue is split between the Defense, Space and Security segment, and the Global Services segment.

    Prior to 2017, the vast majority of the earnings for the whole company came from the Commercial Airplanes segment. Since then, that segment has been operating at a loss. Since 2022, both Defense and Commercial Airplanes have been operating at a loss.

    If you're curious you can look up Boeing's 10-k form. Page 56 has the revenue breakdowns.

    Hildegarde ,

    Those are orders for the 737. Not parts, newly constructed aircraft. Airbus's similary sized A320 has a backlog of 7197 according to wikipedia.

    rottingleaf ,

    I know actually building a plane is hard, but this is crazy. They are bigger, but still not dissimilar from 60s aviation. I know that safety standards are strict (not for Boeing apparently though), but still - what, nobody else can satisfy the demand for passenger airplanes?

    Passenger planes being built mostly by Boeing and Airbus, consumer chips being produced mostly by TSMC, this is a very strange outcome really. As if the average human thought monopoly is good for them.

    autotldr Bot ,

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    The results released Tuesday compared unfavorably with Europe’s Airbus, which reported net orders for 15 planes in May — 27 sales but 12 cancellations.

    Boeing also saw Aerolineas Argentinas cancel an order for a single Max jet, bringing its net sales for the month to three.

    The dismal results followed poor figures for April, when Boeing reported seven sales — none of them for the Max.

    Boeing hopes that the slow pace of orders reflects a lull in sales before next month’s Farnborough International Airshow, where aircraft deals are often announced.

    But the Federal Aviation Administration is capping Boeing’s production of 737s after a door plug blew out from an Alaska Airlines Max, allegations by whistleblowers that Boeing has taken shortcuts to produce planes more quickly, and reports of falsified inspection records on some 787 Dreamliner jets.

    Boeing, based in Arlington, Virginia, delivered 24 jetliners in May, including 19 Max jets.

    The original article contains 237 words, the summary contains 151 words. Saved 36%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

    Reverendender ,
    @Reverendender@sh.itjust.works avatar

    GOOD. How are those profits looking now, you murderous fucks?

    dyathinkhesaurus ,

    They'll just sack some more engineers to cut costs, and hire more sales & marketing.

    NOT_RICK ,
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    More sales people to handle all the sales they’re not getting?

    MaggiWuerze ,

    An engineer makes engines and a sales persons makes sales, right?

    kevincox ,
    @kevincox@lemmy.ml avatar

    Actually a sailor makes sales.

    Allonzee , (edited )

    Unlike a lot of sectors though, Airbus knows what they're doing and is a high profile alternative, and unlike the US, hasn't yet completely internalized our sociopathic greed disease to our degree, despite the global economic pressure we inflict on other nations encouraging them to betray and cause harm to their own societies and citizens if it means an extra nickel of short term private profit.

    Don't worry though, the UK has fallen to the greed disease, and our capitalists are bribing and coercing their way eastward, and they won't stop until they either are physically stopped by something like climate change, or successfully make the world forget that Economies are lowly tools that are supposed to exist solely to benefit the people of the society they are a lowly tool for.

    hydroptic ,

    won’t stop until they […] are physically stopped by something like climate change

    Ah I see you're an optimist.

    Allonzee , (edited )

    I have just come to acceptance with who we are, and enjoy the accidental poetry of our reckless worship of greed/gluttony/growth/metastasis being our, accelerating going by the latest science still going on deaf ears, end.

    I also enjoy all the very corporate culture like bargaining that's going on with cold, hard, unflinching physics. Oh we won't make our non-binding emissions goals and grid standards, so we'll just roll those back, the climate will understand!

    We're tackling our own self-inflicted, reverse terraforming climate disaster with the stages of grief because we refuse to stop and change how we live to find homeostasis with this world, so this isn't going to end well, and just like with clean coal/corn ethanol/plant a tree offsets/planet scale carbon scrubbers and all the other private profit driven snake oil "solutions," we aren't going to science up a magic bullet to save us from the epically irresponsible actions of our epically irresponsible species.

    hydroptic ,

    we aren’t going to science up a magic bullet to save us from the epically irresponsible actions of our epically irresponsible species.

    In-fuckin-deed. All the talk about "carbon capture" schemes makes my skin crawl.

    Well it's either that or delusional parasitosis that makes my skin crawl, but anyhow.

    Zorsith ,
    @Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Of all the Dystopias, I think we're closest to Elysium at the moment.

    hydroptic ,

    Yeah, although without the cool space station and cyberpunk-ish tech. I doubt we'll get that far.

    Zorsith ,
    @Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    True, though I hope we'll see a few variations of Killdozer crop up before the end.

    TotalFat ,

    I see The Road primarily, but I could also give a nod to The Road Warrior..

    Reverendender ,
    @Reverendender@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Wake me up when we get to Thunderdome

    Coasting0942 ,

    Economies are lowly tools that are supposed to exist solely to benefit the people of the society they are a lowly tool for.

    What complete gutter trash talk. Economies serve the master of mankind.

    Allonzee ,

    If by mankind you mean about 30kish sociopath families on the backs of billions and to the detriment of the long term climate our only habitat, then sure.

    And to be fair, those 30kish sociopath families would largely agree they're the only mankind that counts.

    https://www.investopedia.com/new-class-of-global-elite-have-emerged-8357556#:~:text=%22Centi%2Dmillionaires%22%20are%20individuals,a%20wealth%20advisory%20firm%20said.

    Sorry about my gutter trash mouth btw, I'll work on that.

    hydroptic ,

    https://i.imgur.com/cnT6YMt.gif

    the_post_of_tom_joad ,

    Master of mankind

    1998 Hell in a cell reference, yeah? That's the only thing that coherents up this comment

    altima_neo ,
    @altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

    Also Boeing is buying back it's fuselage supplier that it originally spun of into it's own business (because it wasn't profitable for Boeing back then).

    The problem now is that supplier also makes fuselages for Airbus. So Boeing is gonna be making them for Airbus...

    Allonzee ,

    Oof. Oligopolies/duopolies shouldn't exist, but here we are.

    Damage ,

    Ehhh there's... Embraer?

    Podunk ,

    Bring back grumman!

    WordBox ,

    The LLV, specifically.

    Reverendender ,
    @Reverendender@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Seriously. These cats put men on the moon with 1960s tech. They bought into the dream. Now it's all stock buybacks and evil.

    ours ,

    They don't do widebodies.

    Nindelofocho ,

    Bombardier?

    b3an , (edited )
    @b3an@lemmy.world avatar

    You can only do so much marketing though. People don't want to fly in these planes if it means a huge risk to their life. It's simpler to just say no thanks. Businesses don't want them if customers aren't going to pay to fly on them. So marketing can only do so much. In the end your product needs to work. If it doesn't, then again people don't want to fly in them... And so on.

    gravitas_deficiency ,

    “Sack”

    https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/0f59f823-4954-4307-9909-7c0066e14f20.png

    businessfish ,
    @businessfish@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    stuff them into a sack maybe

    motor_spirit ,

    they need to make a reality show out of what it looks like to be held accountable and go through the justice system, using some of these soulless pieces of shit as examples. showcase the turmoil of the disgraced family torn apart and offer no help. the public can laugh at their pain the same way they certainly laugh at the issues of the common people they neglect and oppress.

    DirigibleProtein ,

    Essentially John Oliver’s episode on Boeing.

    motor_spirit ,

    I'll have to check that out then

    rottingleaf ,

    Not some of them, all of them. Such people are usually not too touched by some of them getting the boot.

    Guy_Fieris_Hair ,

    Fine when the government steps in to bail them out.

    Buffalox , (edited )

    No need to worry, following what the CEO of Boeing called a "quality escape" regarding a door falling off, Boeing is now just facing a profit and customer escape.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/boeing-alaska-airlines-door-plug-b2477577.html

    PsychedSy ,

    It's not so much what the Boeing CEO called the issue so much as a technical term for when a non-conforming product gets sold at its planned inspection operation.

    aseriesoftubes ,

    It’s good to see the free market actually working

    downpunxx ,
    @downpunxx@fedia.io avatar

    thalidomide sales took a real header once too. people normally will choose to spend their money on things which will benefit them, and tend not to spend money on the things which will kill them and hurt their business.

    homesweethomeMrL ,

    I’m sure the millionaire dipshits who cut corners and killed people are super worried.

    laughs in golden parachute

    cosmicrookie ,
    @cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

    Even if they gave them away for free, no one would take them for commercial use. Not sure who would be surprised at this 'news'

    Imgonnatrythis ,

    I mean, they totally would. Do you think the fine folks at American airlines have moral compasses that are orders of magnitude greater than boeing's?

    cosmicrookie ,
    @cosmicrookie@lemmy.world avatar

    I assume their customers would start looking for flights that use safer planes

    djsoren19 ,

    They have been. The problem is twofold; Airbuses are limited in the U.S., and airlines have increased the rates on those tickets because I guess a working airplane is now considered a premium.

    Telodzrum ,

    Despite the recent slow sales, Boeing still has a huge backlog of over 5,600 orders

    Audacious ,

    Deserved.

    Catoblepas ,

    The most surprising thing here to me is that someone was buying a 737 Max 3 months ago.

    paridoxical ,

    Yeah, I'd love to know what airline that was so I can make sure I never give them my business.

    Hildegarde ,

    According to boeing's website the last 737 order was in February from "unidentified customer(s)." Hmmmmmmmm

    NegativeLookBehind ,
    @NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

    Won’t someone please buy our airborne death trap?

    Tronn4 ,

    The US government has entered the chat

    NegativeLookBehind ,
    @NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

    Boeing hitmen would like to know your location

    henfredemars ,

    He’s booked through at least the rest of the year.

    NegativeLookBehind ,
    @NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world avatar

    In that case, are you looking for an exciting new career opportunity?

    Bookmeat ,

    s/tumble/crater/

    nick ,

    lol. lmao.

    Get fucked Boeing.

    Isoprenoid ,

    What year is it? The 737 Max was a certified death trap since 2018.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maneuvering_Characteristics_Augmentation_System

    raspberriesareyummy ,

    This. I made sure to never set foot in a newer Boeing since those grounded models were ungrounded.

    wreckedcarzz ,
    @wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world avatar

    shit falling apart, again and again and again and...

    "y u no buy our shit? :("

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